Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?
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Your Hebrew verse is not written to the born again.
Its one of those verses that Legalists try to falsely use against real Christians to try to convince them they can lose their salvation.
See, the legalist has no discipleship or ministry. All they can do is show up on forums and try to convince real born again Christians that they can lose their salvation.
In other words, the ministry of the Legalist, is to lie using a bible.
Notice the verse says...>"if you sin willfully".
And in fact, all your sins are willful. So, according to your verse, you're going to hell.
So, isnt it great news to find out that this verse is not written to to someone who is born again?
As this way, you dont have to come now and LIE and say that all your sins you've committed were "accidents".
If you read Acts 28, you'll note that PAUL is again dealing with unsaved HEBREWS.
Its one of those verses that Legalists try to falsely use against real Christians to try to convince them they can lose their salvation.
See, the legalist has no discipleship or ministry. All they can do is show up on forums and try to convince real born again Christians that they can lose their salvation.
In other words, the ministry of the Legalist, is to lie using a bible.
Notice the verse says...>"if you sin willfully".
And in fact, all your sins are willful. So, according to your verse, you're going to hell.
So, isnt it great news to find out that this verse is not written to to someone who is born again?
As this way, you dont have to come now and LIE and say that all your sins you've committed were "accidents".
If you read Acts 28, you'll note that PAUL is again dealing with unsaved HEBREWS.
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We come as a sinner and we become a Saint., having done nothing, except be born again.
Then, we are to "work out our salvation", and that does not me to start chasing the Old Testament law and commandments to try to keep yourself saved.
It means that the born again, who are "in Christ", are supposed to learn how to exist within their Salvation.
This is all about right understanding and real faith., as its in this right mind that we find this.....="Christ always gives me the Victory".
And until a person comes to this renewed mind, they will be talking about law and commandments while they continue to sin and confess.
Thats you.
Then, we are to "work out our salvation", and that does not me to start chasing the Old Testament law and commandments to try to keep yourself saved.
It means that the born again, who are "in Christ", are supposed to learn how to exist within their Salvation.
This is all about right understanding and real faith., as its in this right mind that we find this.....="Christ always gives me the Victory".
And until a person comes to this renewed mind, they will be talking about law and commandments while they continue to sin and confess.
Thats you.
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That is absolutely right.
Once a person comes to be deceived into BELIEVING that you can lose your salvation, then it becomes YOUR Responsibility to try to get into heaven.
Then..........here come the works, and the self effort and the commandment keeping, and the enduring to the end, and all this SELF EFFORT TO TRY TO GET INTO HEAVEN".
So, that person, is NOT Trusting in Christ to get them into heaven.
They are fallen from this faith........their faith is broken away from Jesus.....and now they are a SELF Saver. (Legalist)
This is "fallen from Grace"...........>"Bewitched"..............>"in the Flesh"
Once a person comes to be deceived into BELIEVING that you can lose your salvation, then it becomes YOUR Responsibility to try to get into heaven.
Then..........here come the works, and the self effort and the commandment keeping, and the enduring to the end, and all this SELF EFFORT TO TRY TO GET INTO HEAVEN".
So, that person, is NOT Trusting in Christ to get them into heaven.
They are fallen from this faith........their faith is broken away from Jesus.....and now they are a SELF Saver. (Legalist)
This is "fallen from Grace"...........>"Bewitched"..............>"in the Flesh"
What happens if you are dealing with someone who isn't a Calvinist or an Arminianist?
I'm neither.
Neither is Jesus, or any real believer.
Also, Eternal life is not a situation, its Jesus Himself.....So, if you have Him in you, then you have eternal life.
You might now wonder........"if Kidron isn't a denominational LABEL, then what is this person".
I am a ""Pauline Theology".
Go there, find me.
I'm neither.
Neither is Jesus, or any real believer.
Also, Eternal life is not a situation, its Jesus Himself.....So, if you have Him in you, then you have eternal life.
You might now wonder........"if Kidron isn't a denominational LABEL, then what is this person".
I am a ""Pauline Theology".
Go there, find me.
There are 3 NT books where all Heretics live........... notice this as you deal with more.
1. Hebrews
2. James
3. Matthew.
Misapplying Hebrews 10 has destroyed the faith of more believers than a world full of Atheists.
The book of Hebrews...........written by Paul........is not solely aimed, doctrinally, at the born again.
In this book, you find Paul also dealing with LOST >HEBREW< CHRIST REJECTORS.
WE often think of Paul as "that guy who wrote all those epistles", but the reality is, he was a burning hot soul afire for Christ.
He was a PREACHER who was preaching the Gospel all the time.....
And these Unsaved JEWS in Hebrews Chapter 10, are told that "if you sin willfully"....(reject Christ), then you have done "despite to the spirit of Grace"... (you have spit on it).....>"you have trodden underfoot the blood atonement".....( you have ground your heel into the face of God).
So, these unsaved Jews, are dealt with again, in Acts 28, the last 10 verses.
It was after this, that Paul said.... (paraphrase)......"ok, im done with you hateful hate filled Christ rejecting HEBREWS.. (unsaved Jews), im taking the Gospel to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT".
And so, there goes your Apostle to the Gentiles, getting into his real ministry ..
Also, if you preach, or teach, or do Sunday School class, or you are trying to show someone online what the unpardonable SIN is all about......
Then take them to Hebrews 10:26.....right in there, as you see Hebrews (jews) committing it.
They are rejecting forgiveness, as found in the Cross, by rejecting their Messiah, and that is how you commit that sin.
Its simply to be an unbeliever who rejects Christ.
Here is the thing that they wont tell you in church..........It this.........all unbelievers are committing the unpardonable sin right now.
All unbelievers are already damned......they are just waiting to die and hit the Judgement.
This is .......John 3:36.
See, as long as you are a Christ Rejector, you are committing the unpardonable sin, waiting to die.
That is a terrible situation, and that is why God wants us to lead them to the Cross and get them out of that damnation.
And here is one more for your class.
A person goes to hell, not for a lifetime of sinning, but rather for never being pardoned, never being forgiven, just ONE SIN.
A person goes to hell for being a CHRIST REJECTOR........not for being a murderer, or a child molester, as those are just sin., and all sin can be forgiven and is forgiven by the BLOOD of Jesus, except for one.......its the sin of rejecting the Blood.....= .Christ Rejection.
See.....God can't forgive you, if you reject the forgiveness, (the blood of Jesus)......so therefore you die having committed the ONE unpardonable sin, and that is why a person goes to Hell than the lake of fire.
Just for committing the one sin, the unpardonable sin......CHRIST REJECTION.. (never being born again) is the proof you committed it.
The book of Hebrews explains that there is a new priesthood necessitating a change to the law. So where those specific verses written to us...or no?
So we're saints, right? Your words.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints that they keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
It's in the very last book, unaltered. Do you accept the responsibility placed on the saints or does this verse not apply to "real Christians" either?
"The flesh hates Gods law and cant be subject to it." (Romans 8:7)
Unfortunately, it's a common tactic to create strawmen to beat against when one wants to avoid addressing the actual argument.
Not all sins are willful/intentional. Some are through ignorance, some are mistakes. This is explained by the different sacrifices in the OT. This is why having a proper foundation in the law is important. How can you be sure you've been led to the right Christ when you've avoided the tutor? (Gal 3:24)
..."dealing with" unsaved Hebrews in Acts 28?
V16-17 says Paul gets to Rome and Jews who heard of him came to hear him speak. He explains he's done nothing against their laws but was arrested and sent there.
V21-23 says they wanted to hear his testimony and set a date to hear it.
V24-29 says Paul preached Christ using the law and prophetic books and some believed while others didnt. And they all left discussing what they heard.
V30-31 says Paul stayed there for 2 years preaching to any who came to him and no one stopped him.
Apparently that's also, Paul and John, and James, and Jude, and Messiah?
So we're saints, right? Your words.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints that they keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
It's in the very last book, unaltered. Do you accept the responsibility placed on the saints or does this verse not apply to "real Christians" either?
"The flesh hates Gods law and cant be subject to it." (Romans 8:7)
Unfortunately, it's a common tactic to create strawmen to beat against when one wants to avoid addressing the actual argument.
Not all sins are willful/intentional. Some are through ignorance, some are mistakes. This is explained by the different sacrifices in the OT. This is why having a proper foundation in the law is important. How can you be sure you've been led to the right Christ when you've avoided the tutor? (Gal 3:24)
..."dealing with" unsaved Hebrews in Acts 28?V16-17 says Paul gets to Rome and Jews who heard of him came to hear him speak. He explains he's done nothing against their laws but was arrested and sent there.
V21-23 says they wanted to hear his testimony and set a date to hear it.
V24-29 says Paul preached Christ using the law and prophetic books and some believed while others didnt. And they all left discussing what they heard.
V30-31 says Paul stayed there for 2 years preaching to any who came to him and no one stopped him.
Apparently that's also, Paul and John, and James, and Jude, and Messiah?
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You cant go there dude.
You keep saying as that verse says, THEY WILL NOT MAKE IT.
Either they will or they will not. You can't have it it both ways. Either you are interpreting that passage wrong,e or they are not going to heaven. There is no other option. That passage does not say UNLESS they repent.
You cant go there dude.
You keep saying as that verse says, THEY WILL NOT MAKE IT.
Either they will or they will not. You can't have it it both ways. Either you are interpreting that passage wrong,e or they are not going to heaven. There is no other option. That passage does not say UNLESS they repent.
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He does not have to do anything, He just wrote to the church.
They are non believer that he spoke of.. they are murderers and all the other stuff. Believers are not those people. As paul even said in corinth. And such were some of you. But you were washed, You were sanctified and you were justified (he never said they stopped those sins, He said they were washed of those sins)
They are non believer that he spoke of.. they are murderers and all the other stuff. Believers are not those people. As paul even said in corinth. And such were some of you. But you were washed, You were sanctified and you were justified (he never said they stopped those sins, He said they were washed of those sins)