Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[de-emerald]

when you make such outlandish statements of others like this

“So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus”

After inventing these argument threads d tagging people that are obviously not interested in arguing with tou I wouldn’t expect much normal
Interaction

again though if you could respect me and not keep tagging me and inviting me to this , I would appreciate it

I want to dispute theese claims and realize there may be an argument.
And still no one as answered all seven honest questions and thus created a seperate argument, which again is now happening with you. im tagging everyone because most of them has answered in this debate, and thus i dont want to go round in circles. when a lot of them jump on a different band wagon.

 

[de-emerald]

I do not sing from hymn books. I will not ask to be excused from this exercise of needing to address your questions or needing to discuss that which you have presented because I do not need your permission to participate as I see fit/am moved to do.

Yup and now your becoming resentful to me, i asked you nicely in the name of Jesus to be particapate and this is your reply, this is out of character for. you. that is all.

I ill stand by word of Jesus, Jesus said to satan do not tempt God. and get away from me.

That is not what happened in Job 1, satan tempted God, and no where does God say get way from me and do not tempt God. One of them is a lie.

 

[de-emerald]

Well, if that is actually the purpose then I'll try to end that right here and now!

@de-emerald

The scripture is the inspired Word of God. Satan didn't write any part of it. If you believe that he did in anyway, then you are listening to the enemy and being deceived.

Job was a righteous man and the devil could not make him DOUBT God.

But if you believe that Satan wrote the book of Job, then the devil is making you doubt.

The Word of God is our sword. Even Jesus used it against the enemy.

You can be assured anytime something is trying to get you to doubt the Word of God it is the enemy. He's trying to take your sword away. And if you believe he had a hand in writing any part of scripture then you are letting him.

Stand on the Word of God, rebuke the enemy, and he'll flee.

Excuse me But you should not use scripture to defend a lie from satan in Job. The word of Jesus is a sword, and that word of Jesus said to Satan get away from me and do not tempt God.

The only doubt comes from trying to combine good with evil. im sure most people have doubt when reading between the contrasts of Job 1 and what Jesus said.

Theres a lot to be answered for, that leaves many people searchin for answers in the bible. thus we are dealing with the father of all lies here. Where told we should test the spirits to see if they are from God. thus the reson for my 7 honest questions, which still no one has answered.

 

[de-emerald]

You really believe that demons have more power than God and Christ? Amazing. Of course demons (more precisely Satan) have assassinated the character of God and Christ. But as far as Christians are concerned, that is all rubbish. The true character of God and Christ is revealed in the Bible.

Demons have more power than God in the sinner who believes his lies. that is clear from scripture. Scripture clearly teaches us not to believe satan. and scripture also teaches us, not to do what satan wants us to do, (for a reason) which would be, once you start to do what satan wants you to do, he becomes stronger in the sinner. this is why the scripture tells us its a daily battle until the end i believe. and still no one has simply answered all of my seven questions, and here i am once again answering all yours only.

Satan in Job 1 is asking God what he wants God to do.

 

[de-emerald]

Before anyone answer any of these questions, lets be clear that these are an attempt of a leading toward the conclusion that the book of Job was written by Satan? and anyone that believes otherwise is denying Christ? Yes?

Yup another conclusion, and another person not answering the seven honest questions i asked you, again and again. does one lie creeping into a chapter of the bible constitute satan writing Job is my answer to your conclusion. and my second conclusion to your conclusion. is every word in our bible from Jesus and holy indwelled people ? And some scripture is about a persons walk on what they experience and hear on a daily basis. thus is what there hearing on a daily basis the same as us today where by the enemy tries to decieve us.

 

[de-emerald]

God's whole purpose was to exonerate Job before his critics and to expose Satan as the accuser of the brethren. And Job was not self righteous as someone said he was perfect according to God.

Yup and that could be what a person hears and believes its come from God.

 

[Gideon300]

God's whole purpose was to exonerate Job before his critics and to expose Satan as the accuser of the brethren. And Job was not self righteous as someone said he was perfect according to God.

I said that Job was self righteous. He was motivated by fear. As far as outward behaviour goes, Job was indeed righteous. But we also know that compared to God, no one is righteous. Abraham was not as correct in his behaviour as Job. Yet he is commended as one of the finest examples of a man of faith. And God credited Abraham with righteousness based on faith, not on perfect behaviour. When Job was tested, he went into a year long pity party, complaining about how unfairly he had been treated. When Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac, he set out to obey without a word of complaint.

The main difference between the two men is this: Abraham knew God. Job did not. God did not explain Himself to Job. He said to Abraham,
“Shall I keep secret from Abraham [My friend and servant] what I am going to do?" (Genesis 18:17)

Abraham was called God's friend. Job was never described as that. Job was restored to greatness in his society and with a larger family. Abraham became exceedingly rich, but more, was the founder of the nation of Israel and therefore the ancestor of the Lord Jesus. In Abraham, all the families of the earth are blessed, not just his own family.

The point of all this is simple. God seeks people who will be His friends still. He is Father. Like any Father, He loves His children and wants the best for them. I would hope to be thought of as more like Abraham than Job.

 

[Mem]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade
Im tagging you all again. But obviously this is not directed at all of you.
I told you all 20 post ago that you will all start to condem me plot against me and jump to conclusions rather than answer some honest questions, and thats exactly what you have done.and what some of you do all the time. Jesus had the same problems when speaking to the Jews. And the reason for that was he spoke the truth and they didnt want to accept there father was of the devil, then they called Jesus a heretic and yelled for his blood. Thats probably the reason why some missing interpretation of lies crept into our bible. Oh and only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.

I learned a couple new vocabulary words, hyper-spiritual hogwash and super spiritual baloney, from the article 7 Warning Signs of Hyper-Spiritual Hogwash I found recently. I'm adding them to my personal favorite, supercilious spiritualism.

These questions amount to nothing more than the singular question, 'did God really say...?,' presented as a overture, which is defined by Wordnik as n. A similar orchestral work intended for independent concert performance. This is quite different than conversations that ask, 'God did say but, what does it mean?"

It doesn't surprise me that you'd even suggest that of these tagged beloved children of God which you tagged as sons of the devil... since you interpret this account of Job as a depiction of God as being evil Satan did not 'tempt' God. However, Satan is not 'tempting' God in this case, not anymore than in any other case, beside his inclination to ignore God's commandments, but rather mischaracterized God's judgment of Job's righteousness, and thereby challenging Him of it's integrity. Although Job's faith in God was shaken, ultimately, it was shown to be, even as everything else failed, the only thing of substance that remained. The conclusion of the book shows that faith despite the absence of any earthly reason, beyond human understanding, is accounted by God as righteousness as it is for Abraham, and its consequent is only greater reward.

 

[de-emerald]

You asked a question (Poll) you got your answer. Do you not like it? With out the word of God then we can say anything we want. This is why we always ask "where is that written". You doubt the word you doubt God. He is the word. What some do not understand is Satan has rights. He told Christ this was handed, given to me and I can give it to who ever I want. Adam and Eve sinned this was handed, given over to him. This is why we hear read "Satan is the god of this world". This is why Christ said when they took Him "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

So with Peter.. Satan had a right to ask to swift him as wheat yet Christ prayed for him. We do not truly understand WHY we are to pray. OT God said "So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Take Job.. Satan already knew about that wall that protected Job. .. anyway. Not sure what your going on about.

The simple answer is NO.

I said at the beginning we can disagree, its not a problem to me.
I hope that anwsers that concern and you and others are welcome to put your point of view across.

but what i am asking is for all seven honest questions just to be answered simply, befor we descuss this topic. that is all im asking, along with some other threads ive started here, this doesnt happen, The other main reason is why i want to descuss this is i have had a life time experience with demons, from physicaly really seeing them in person that seariously exposes there lies in the bible, thus bringing the glory back to God.
which i know i can prove but only after us all having a discussion that doesnt lead to beeing seen as a heretic reguarding this matter.

 

[de-emerald]

I learned a couple new vocabulary words, hyper-spiritual hogwash and super spiritual baloney, from the article 7 Warning Signs of Hyper-Spiritual Hogwash I found recently. I'm adding them to my personal favorite, supercilious spiritualism.

These questions amount to nothing more than the singular question, 'did God really say...?,' presented as a overture, which is defined by Wordnik as n. A similar orchestral work intended for independent concert performance. This is quite different than conversations that ask, 'God did say but, what does it mean?"

It doesn't surprise me that you'd even suggest that of these tagged beloved children of God which you tagged as sons of the devil... since you interpret this account of Job as a depiction of God as being evil Satan did not 'tempt' God. However, Satan is not 'tempting' God in this case, not anymore than in any other case, beside his inclination to ignore God's commandments, but rather mischaracterized God's judgment of Job's righteousness, and thereby challenging Him of it's integrity. Although Job's faith in God was shaken, ultimately, it was shown to be, even as everything else failed, the only thing of substance that remained. The conclusion of the book shows that faith despite the absence of any earthly reason, beyond human understanding, is accounted by God as righteousness as it is for Abraham, and its consequent is only greater reward.

nope ive spent hours answering there questions with the intent of christians here not to be fooled by the devil. i said in a statement, that if you believe the lies of satan then your father is of the devil, that is what Jesus said to the Jews. this does not constitute that he actually is. again this another conclusion from yet another person where by many otthers join in the conspiracy that im suggesting something diffrent, when i am not. that is all

 

[Rolly]

Yes another conclusion again your lastest person to avoid answering all seven honest questions.

Allow me to ask you a few questions Are these fundamental tenets attributable to Christianity?
1, God is Holy, and uniquely so?
2, Gods Holy Spirit is God?
3, Gods Word is irrefutable?
4, God is omnipotent and exists outside of our dimensional space and time?
5, The Bible is the inspired (God-Breathed) word of God?

 

[Mem]

nope ive spent hours answering there questions with the intent of christians here not to be fooled by the devil. i said in a statement, that if you believe the lies of satan then your father is of the devil, that is what Jesus said to the Jews. this does not constitute that he actually is. again this another conclusion from yet another person where by many otthers join in the conspiracy that im suggesting something diffrent, when i am not. that is all

You're attempting to teach wrong conclusions, by refusing correct conclusions. You're not going to get the answers you fish for, because they are only figments of your imagination.

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade @Rolly @Nehemiah6

Would you like to take part in a descussion that brings the glory back to God

 

[JaumeJ]

Allow me to ask you a few questions Are these fundamental tenets attributable to Christianity?
1, God is Holy, and uniquely so?
2, Gods Holy Spirit is God?
3, Gods Word is irrefutable?
4, God is omnipotent and exists outside of our dimensional space and time?
5, The Bible is the inspired (God-Breathed) word of God?

I am brought to the Psalm which says no matter where we go, the deepest depths or the highest heights, He is there.. . Just because we cannot see does not mean He is not here with us all of the time. The creation does act as a blinder most of the time, but He is here, as I believe in things not seen yet.

 

[DrGuyPhD]

Yes your quite right there, Jesus said to satan away from me, which is the same thing as get away from me. Also get away from me would imply i dont want to know you, So i ment to say Jessu said get away from me to satan i dont want to know you. and i ment to say satan never knew God, which ill show you now.

mathew 4:10 Jesus speaking. 10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus declared. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’

You see satan does not serve God. its a bit of a contrast when we see scripture that implies God has allowed satan to torment,. plus the fact if God is allowing satan to be the tempter, why is he going to chuck satan in the lake of fire ?

Ok this quote also addresses @SomeDisciple post as well,
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Where does it say the holy spirit allowed it ? have you ever read sentence 1 and asked the question, did the holy spirit know Jesus would be tempted, was it was inevitable Jesus would be tempted, seing as the mathew calls satan the tempter in the next verse ? 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

You see also this verse also addresses @SomeDisciple who says God clearly knows satan.

Satan quotes “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”.

Notice the word if, Satan doesnt know who Jesus is. well he should know shouldnt he if hes met him in heaven in the story of Job.

As a christian you have to Go with what Jesus says, he is God and quite possibly demons are not even from God. where not created by God at all. they come from the darkness, not the light and have told hundreds of lies about them selves in the minds of people in our bible . Jesus is the prince of light, satan is the prince of darkness. Jesus calls satan the father of all lies.
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Darkness resided in the area first when the earth was void, which means we are in a battle for terroity. which can be seen through out the bible, demons want terroity everywhere, and even gain terroity by stealing people into there line of thinking by getting inside peoples heads.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

God seperated the darkness and (demons) that was here in the beginning from the light when the earth was void.
God took there space with his light. the darkness and light are two seperate forces. the darkness wants its terroity back. but thats tough luck, God never stole it in the first place.

The battle in heavens is bewtween the darkness and light. the darkness (demons have not come from the light, the bible would suggest they have. but theese are only words. And we have to take into account the trickery that demons have to decieve peoples thoughts. every word they say is a lie. Jesus calls them the father of all lies. how can you trust the thoughts of satan in our bible in story of Job, if Jesus calls them the father of all lies.

Well, if I understand the question correctly, we are trying to understand IF God allows demons to torment people, and to that end my mind goes somewhere.
One, if God doesn't allow demons torment people, then they wouldn't. You bring up a good point that Satan does not serve God, but that does not mean that Satan disobeys God. God retains his sovereignty over Satan still. So, if the all powerful God doesn't allow Satan to torment people, we can be sure that they wouldn't, for demons themselves still have to listen to the command of God. "When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick..."(Matthew 8:16)

 

[Rolly]

Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.


Hi @Gideon300
im going to ask some questions on this scripture, Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck the cattle with lightening

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?


5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

Q: Who is explaining the story of Job?

A: God, through an unstated author, Job was discovered amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, according to the Hebrew Bible the penmanship was attributed to Moses and although there is a certain volume of weight for this thesis it’s not decisive.

Q: Who is the story being told to?

A: Humanity, Specifically to those who have an ear, and an interest in its contents.

Q: Who struck the cattle with lightening?

A: Satan

Q: How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people? And did God allow that to?

A: Sabeans (sons of Sheba the son of Cush the son of Ham)They are Men, Men kill other Men for personal gain amongst many other reasons,
A: No we are not required to be possessed in-order to be tempted, were are already fallen. A: Yes, Humanity is already in Satan’s hands, God admitted He placed a protective hedge around Job, this restricted the access Satan already had.

Q: who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?

A: Satan, He is the God of this realm, in Mark 4 Jesus spoke to the storm on the Sea of Galilee and it stopped, was Jesus stopping Gods work or Satan’s?

Q: How can you believe the story of Job is an accurate account of what God allows.

A: It is the Word of God, there are many reasons why the account hold validity, your question needs to be narrower so that I’m able to be more specific.

Q; How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

A: It is the Word of God, Again there are many answers to your question, it needs to be narrower or fleshed out so that I’m able to be more specific.

 

[Rolly]

I am brought to the Psalm which says no matter where we go, the deepest depths or the highest heights, He is there.. . Just because we cannot see does not mean He is not here with us all of the time. The creation does act as a blinder most of the time, but He is here, as I believe in things not seen yet.

I concur, God is ever present within our dimension, yet he exists apart from its limitations unlike ourselves.

 

[de-emerald]

Well, if I understand the question correctly, we are trying to understand IF God allows demons to torment people, and to that end my mind goes somewhere.
One, if God doesn't allow demons torment people, then they wouldn't. You bring up a good point that Satan does not serve God, but that does not mean that Satan disobeys God. God retains his sovereignty over Satan still. So, if the all powerful God doesn't allow Satan to torment people, we can be sure that they wouldn't, for demons themselves still have to listen to the command of God. "When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick..."(Matthew 8:16)

If im understanding you correctly your saying that because Jesus rid people of demons, is because demons do obey God and listen to his commands ?. on the same note, you would have to say that the demon must get permission from God first befor they possess a person or torment them, ? and now we go into a very dark realm with this point of view, because it goes against the verry words of Jesus. The light of Jesus would be what casts out the demon, is my first responce to you not so much the command but the light from Jesus is what made the demons flee. simply put if Jesus hadnt of been there to rid the people of Demons they would have been possessed a whole lot longer than they where.

John 1.5 states that the darkness (demons) has never been able to comprehend the light. which means never been able to understand the light. and never means never. Never also means from the beginning the darkness has never been able to understand the light. never being able to understand the light means never obeying the light.

In the beginning God seperated the darkness (demons) from the earth with his light, meaning it is the the light that cast out demons and not so much the command,

The light shines into the darkness but yet the darkness flees from the light. which means the darkness can not understand it. where there is no light the darkness can rule.

The light that shines in a believer is what can cast out a demon in a possesed person, not so much the command that comes from the believer. To stop our selfs from being taking over from a demon there is so much we have to do and know. If we dont know and do, the darkness will dwell there. Ignorance is bliss to a demon, ignorance certainly inst bliss to God, Because he came down as Jessus and trained a whole bunch of people on how to defeat demons, with actions we need to apply everyday. and what we can do to put up with there torment.

“God opposes the proud (who is proud = satan)
but shows favor to the humble.”[a]

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.


8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings. (all christians being made to suffer by the enemy is not something Jesus likes but demons do it anyway).


10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen. (Jesus telling us what we must do to defeat disobeying demons who do not act on Gods authority but yet still attack his children)

 

[Magenta]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade
Im tagging you all again. But obviously this is not directed at all of you.

I told you all 20 post ago that you will all start to condemn me plot against me and jump to conclusions...

Thats exactly what you have done, and what you do all the time.

Jesus had the same problems when speaking to the Jews. And the reason for that was he spoke the truth and they didnt want to accept there father was of the devil, then they called Jesus a heretic and yelled for his blood.

Your words reflected back to you... where they belong.

 

[de-emerald]

Q: Who is explaining the story of Job?

A: God, through an unstated author, Job was discovered amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, according to the Hebrew Bible the penmanship was attributed to Moses and although there is a certain volume of weight for this thesis it’s not decisive.

Q: Who is the story being told to?

A: Humanity, Specifically to those who have an ear, and an interest in its contents.

Q: Who struck the cattle with lightening?

A: Satan

Q: How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people? And did God allow that to?

A: Sabeans (sons of Sheba the son of Cush the son of Ham)They are Men, Men kill other Men for personal gain amongst many other reasons,
A: No we are not required to be possessed in-order to be tempted, were are already fallen. A: Yes, Humanity is already in Satan’s hands, God admitted He placed a protective hedge around Job, this restricted the access Satan already had.

Q: who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?

A: Satan, He is the God of this realm, in Mark 4 Jesus spoke to the storm on the Sea of Galilee and it stopped, was Jesus stopping Gods work or Satan’s?

Q: How can you believe the story of Job is an accurate account of what God allows.

A: It is the Word of God, there are many reasons why the account hold validity, your question needs to be narrower so that I’m able to be more specific.

Q; How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

A: It is the Word of God, Again there are many answers to your question, it needs to be narrower or fleshed out so that I’m able to be more specific.

Thankyou so much for answering, we can have a proper discussion now. amen to you brother. all your answers is exactly how Job 1 is being portrayed. and i do have my concerns about this. one of them being the many unfortunate people who are killed because of bad weather today. This concerns me. I feal it gives to much power to satan. and makes loved ones of people suffering after losing someone because of bad weather curse God. In the story of Job how many people of today would blame God knowing that God can let satan control his weather. ? (this would be a good plot from the enemy which cant be ruled out)

At the end of Job 1, Job throws himself to floor and says God has taken everything away from me creating the lord giveth and the lord taketh away scenario, but how many other people would ever recover from that of today or through out history and then turn a way from God?. It stands to reason that the percentage of people killed by bad weather would be quite high, something satan could exploit and say God commaded it. thus leaving a believer distraught, who loses a loved one. Grief is something that sadens the holy spirit when the believer is suffering. Would the holy spirit add to there Grief knowing the holy spirit could lose one of there children if they did. for this we have to look to scripture. and scripture does suggest the holy would not add to a persons grief.

(Matthew 5:4). Relying on God and others can relieve your sorrow and give you support.

(John 11:19). Accept the service and listening ears of people around you who want to help. When you’re ready, it’s important that you share your loss, your pain, and your anger. Martha conveyed her frustration that Jesus had been away when Lazarus died. Jesus showed His love for her and wept with her.

(Ecclesiastes 3:1–2, 4). Knowing that death and grieving are necessary may not soften the pain, but it can make happiness sweeter in its season. Grief is not a weakness, an imperfection, or a sign of wrongdoing. It is a necessary part of mortality.