Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[de-emerald]

Your understanding is wrong. Jesus is not working with Satan. Paul is cutting these sinners loose, removing their spiritual covering so that they may receive some correction.
Matthew 18:
…16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Satan is the god of this world and the world is controlled by him. (1 John 5:19). By shunning a believer and refusing to have fellowship with him, he is open to Satan's attacks. Such attacks are intended for that person's good, not harm.

"Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us." 2 Thessalonians 3:6

One of the greatest failings of the modern church is its unwillingness to offend people. Some people need a wake up call. If they are allowed to remain, it is like a festering sore that spreads and weakens and hurts others.

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan, Im saying satans revenge is to combine his own evil with the goodness of Jesus. That is what satan has achieved, satan has combined good with evil. and made a complete joke out of the holy word, its because Jesus defeated him, and satan wants revenge for that. You quote 1 (john 5:19) which tells us Satan is the ruler of this world, but yet you and others fail to recognise and achknoledge there may be deliberate miss repersentations of God from satan in our bible, plus you and many more fail to recognise spiritualy possessed minds in our bible. Why do you all do this ? well Its because hardly any of you have no real knowledge of demons, and there abilities, plus none of you have probably seen one, or one at work with your own eye. Ill tell you why this is, because hardly any of you have probably pieced together the Jigsaw puzzle in our bible on how to train the eyes of the heart or pieced together the missing lauguage of intervention.

I can tell you there has been a jigsaw puzzle created on how to train the eyes of the heart, and it will shock you know that one of those pieces is in the holy quoran. the seperation is devided into the four corners of the world. There is a language of intervention that Got deliberately devided. a lot of it can be spotted on how the french pronounce English and how english pronounce french. Which none of you will know. which is also a launguage devided by satan. which he laughs his head of about, and has many people scoffing without realising it.

I bet none of you will even ask what piece is missing in holy quoran and call me a heritic. why will you all do this ?. Well because the lies of satan in our bbile has hardened your hearts, because the knowledge of training the eyes of the heart and the hiden language of intervention will soften your hearts, Which none of you have. You and others wouldnt believe anything that questions the authority of what you believe in the bible until all of you see with your on eye. Why ? well Doubting thomas is a reality for everyone in many different situations untill you see, on what has been covered up by satan.
In the old testermnet it writes God will devide the lauguage. but im here to tell you that was satan who said that and he did just that, and the lauguage satan devided was the lauguage of intervention and training the eyes of the heart, which i bet none of you know and wouldnt even want to know what the bow is, Why well alot of you will be puffed up with pride after reading this.
The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention. which we all have in our heart and is the key to Gods kingdom, satan doesnt have it never will and wants none of you to have it. hes even lauged at all of you when he seperated the truth of the bow in the four corners of the world and laughs when you read it and you dont spot it.
a lot of that truth is staring you in the face, and written in our bible, but none of you have spotted it.
Why well because the devil loves a good laugh by blinding you with the truth that hes seperated pretty Good, and wiped out all our ancesters who had this knowledge.

The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom. and thus it is Gods wisdom that out smarts the devil, the devils has allready assasinated this thread many times.

there plotting there next attempt of fear mongering right now as i speak and whats the bets i now become a heretic so the truth doesnt get told. and then there will be the conspiricies to come after this and the many plots of who i might be.

 

[Blade]

You asked a question (Poll) you got your answer. Do you not like it? With out the word of God then we can say anything we want. This is why we always ask "where is that written". You doubt the word you doubt God. He is the word. What some do not understand is Satan has rights. He told Christ this was handed, given to me and I can give it to who ever I want. Adam and Eve sinned this was handed, given over to him. This is why we hear read "Satan is the god of this world". This is why Christ said when they took Him "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

So with Peter.. Satan had a right to ask to swift him as wheat yet Christ prayed for him. We do not truly understand WHY we are to pray. OT God said "So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Take Job.. Satan already knew about that wall that protected Job. .. anyway. Not sure what your going on about.

The simple answer is NO.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God doesn’t “ allow” anything we do by following and serving sin God has provided us authority over the spiritual wickedness but we have to receive the gospel to get it . He has warned us of a spiritual war taking place on earth and we are the prize our living souls

there was a war in heaven and Satan and his angels lost their place and for a time this is thier place on earth

“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Demons are real and capable of destroying lives but we have the Holy Ghost who believe the gospel and walk in the light . Non believers don’t see the kingdom because hey refuse to hear about it so the spiritual things are foolishness this type of verse means nonsense to them

“Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they can’t look and see a giant mean lion so it’s not real to then they don’t know about Gods kingdom that Jesus taught and tole
Us to believe so to them , thy re is no devil on earth warring against our souls and ten re are no demons fighting against humans ….

we can only know the truth if we receive the gospel just as Satan has his place on earth and we see it spread across the world in all the evil Gods kingdom also is here and available so we don’t have to belong to the world

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus was preaching about a new world where Satan has no place , saving us from this one where Satan has his throne temporarily

 

[Magenta]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan,

Where did I say that you said that? If anything, I have said that God uses Satan.

Romans 8:28

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan, Im saying satans revenge is to combine his own evil with the goodness of Jesus. That is what satan has achieved, satan has combined good with evil. and made a complete joke out of the holy word, its because Jesus defeated him, and satan wants revenge for that. You quote 1 (john 5:19) which tells us Satan is the ruler of this world, but yet you and others fail to recognise and achknoledge there may be deliberate miss repersentations of God from satan in our bible, plus you and many more fail to recognise spiritualy possessed minds in our bible. Why do you all do this ? well Its because hardly any of you have no real knowledge of demons, and there abilities, plus none of you have probably seen one, or one at work with your own eye. Ill tell you why this is, because hardly any of you have probably pieced together the Jigsaw puzzle in our bible on how to train the eyes of the heart or pieced together the missing lauguage of intervention.

I can tell you there has been a jigsaw puzzle created on how to train the eyes of the heart, and it will shock you know that one of those pieces is in the holy quoran. the seperation is devided into the four corners of the world. There is a language of intervention that Got deliberately devided. a lot of it can be spotted on how the french pronounce English and how english pronounce french. Which none of you will know. which is also a launguage devided by satan. which he laughs his head of about, and has many people scoffing without realising it.

I bet none of you will even ask what piece is missing in holy quoran and call me a heritic. why will you all do this ?. Well because the lies of satan in our bbile has hardened your hearts, because the knowledge of training the eyes of the heart and the hiden language of intervention will soften your hearts, Which none of you have. You and others wouldnt believe anything that questions the authority of what you believe in the bible until all of you see with your on eye. Why ? well Doubting thomas is a reality for everyone in many different situations untill you see, on what has been covered up by satan.
In the old testermnet it writes God will devide the lauguage. but im here to tell you that was satan who said that and he did just that, and the lauguage satan devided was the lauguage of intervention and training the eyes of the heart, which i bet none of you know and wouldnt even want to know what the bow is, Why well alot of you will be puffed up with pride after reading this.
The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention. which we all have in our heart and is the key to Gods kingdom, satan doesnt have it never will and wants none of you to have it. hes even lauged at all of you when he seperated the truth of the bow in the four corners of the world and laughs when you read it and you dont spot it.
a lot of that truth is staring you in the face, and written in our bible, but none of you have spotted it.
Why well because the devil loves a good laugh by blinding you with the truth that hes seperated pretty Good, and wiped out all our ancesters who had this knowledge.

The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom. and thus it is Gods wisdom that out smarts the devil, the devils has allready assasinated this thread many times.

there plotting there next attempt of fear mongering right now as i speak and whats the bets i now become a heretic so the truth doesnt get told. and then there will be the conspiricies to come after this and the many plots of who i might be.

Um I don’t think you think anything I’m not sure how I got brought in but I took time to leave a response now

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Where did I say that you said that? If anything, I have said that God uses Satan.

lol no one did honestly I want even involved in the conversation and was asked the same thing

 

[de-emerald]

Um I don’t think you think anything I’m not sure how I got brought in but I took time to leave a response now

I brought you in because youve posted some wisdom about the holy spirit that opened my eyes, i value your imput. ps im so tired right now so i will see you soon,,,, and look at your post then

 

[Magenta]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan, Im saying satans revenge is to combine his own evil with the goodness of Jesus. That is what satan has achieved, satan has combined good with evil. and made a complete joke out of the holy word, its because Jesus defeated him, and satan wants revenge for that. You quote 1 (john 5:19) which tells us Satan is the ruler of this world, but yet you and others fail to recognise and achknoledge there may be deliberate miss repersentations of God from satan in our bible, plus you and many more fail to recognise spiritualy possessed minds in our bible. Why do you all do this ? well Its because hardly any of you have no real knowledge of demons, and there abilities, plus none of you have probably seen one, or one at work with your own eye. Ill tell you why this is, because hardly any of you have probably pieced together the Jigsaw puzzle in our bible on how to train the eyes of the heart or pieced together the missing lauguage of intervention.

I can tell you there has been a jigsaw puzzle created on how to train the eyes of the heart, and it will shock you know that one of those pieces is in the holy quoran. the seperation is devided into the four corners of the world. There is a language of intervention that Got deliberately devided. a lot of it can be spotted on how the french pronounce English and how english pronounce french. Which none of you will know. which is also a launguage devided by satan. which he laughs his head of about, and has many people scoffing without realising it.

I bet none of you will even ask what piece is missing in holy quoran and call me a heritic. why will you all do this ?. Well because the lies of satan in our bbile has hardened your hearts, because the knowledge of training the eyes of the heart and the hiden language of intervention will soften your hearts, Which none of you have. You and others wouldnt believe anything that questions the authority of what you believe in the bible until all of you see with your on eye. Why ? well Doubting thomas is a reality for everyone in many different situations untill you see, on what has been covered up by satan.
In the old testermnet it writes God will devide the lauguage. but im here to tell you that was satan who said that and he did just that, and the lauguage satan devided was the lauguage of intervention and training the eyes of the heart, which i bet none of you know and wouldnt even want to know what the bow is, Why well alot of you will be puffed up with pride after reading this.
The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention. which we all have in our heart and is the key to Gods kingdom, satan doesnt have it never will and wants none of you to have it. hes even lauged at all of you when he seperated the truth of the bow in the four corners of the world and laughs when you read it and you dont spot it.
a lot of that truth is staring you in the face, and written in our bible, but none of you have spotted it.
Why well because the devil loves a good laugh by blinding you with the truth that hes seperated pretty Good, and wiped out all our ancesters who had this knowledge.

The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom. and thus it is Gods wisdom that out smarts the devil, the devils has allready assasinated this thread many times.

there plotting there next attempt of fear mongering right now as i speak and whats the bets i now become a heretic so the truth doesnt get told. and then there will be the conspiricies to come after this and the many plots of who i might be.

 

[de-emerald]

The plots are coming in thick and fast now see i told you it would go that way.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You asked a question (Poll) you got your answer. Do you not like it? With out the word of God then we can say anything we want. This is why we always ask "where is that written". You doubt the word you doubt God. He is the word. What some do not understand is Satan has rights. He told Christ this was handed, given to me and I can give it to who ever I want. Adam and Eve sinned this was handed, given over to him. This is why we hear read "Satan is the god of this world". This is why Christ said when they took Him "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

So with Peter.. Satan had a right to ask to swift him as wheat yet Christ prayed for him. We do not truly understand WHY we are to pray. OT God said "So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Take Job.. Satan already knew about that wall that protected Job. .. anyway. Not sure what your going on about.

The simple answer is NO.

I brought you in because youve posted some wisdom about the holy spirit that opened my eyes, i value your imput. ps im so tired right now so i will see you soon,,,, and look at your post then

it’s all good sister I appreciate your invite now that I understand why I was invited . God bless

 

[de-emerald]

it’s all good sister I appreciate your invite now that I understand why I was invited . God bless

Lol ok honey bunny

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Lol ok honey bunny

I can’t tell if you are upset or want to talk

 

[AandW]

I only added this emoji to the entire 5 pages

I don't think anything against you.
I think this is what you believe whether I agree to it or not.
I do see it as a place of growth for you and how you envision this portion of God's Word.

 

[Absolutely]

"The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention"

Upon googling that....it comes up nothing

Same thing with this ;
"The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom"

 

[Absolutely]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan, Im saying satans revenge is to combine his own evil with the goodness of Jesus. That is what satan has achieved, satan has combined good with evil. and made a complete joke out of the holy word, its because Jesus defeated him, and satan wants revenge for that. You quote 1 (john 5:19) which tells us Satan is the ruler of this world, but yet you and others fail to recognise and achknoledge there may be deliberate miss repersentations of God from satan in our bible, plus you and many more fail to recognise spiritualy possessed minds in our bible. Why do you all do this ? well Its because hardly any of you have no real knowledge of demons, and there abilities, plus none of you have probably seen one, or one at work with your own eye. Ill tell you why this is, because hardly any of you have probably pieced together the Jigsaw puzzle in our bible on how to train the eyes of the heart or pieced together the missing lauguage of intervention.

I can tell you there has been a jigsaw puzzle created on how to train the eyes of the heart, and it will shock you know that one of those pieces is in the holy quoran. the seperation is devided into the four corners of the world. There is a language of intervention that Got deliberately devided. a lot of it can be spotted on how the french pronounce English and how english pronounce french. Which none of you will know. which is also a launguage devided by satan. which he laughs his head of about, and has many people scoffing without realising it.

I bet none of you will even ask what piece is missing in holy quoran and call me a heritic. why will you all do this ?. Well because the lies of satan in our bbile has hardened your hearts, because the knowledge of training the eyes of the heart and the hiden language of intervention will soften your hearts, Which none of you have. You and others wouldnt believe anything that questions the authority of what you believe in the bible until all of you see with your on eye. Why ? well Doubting thomas is a reality for everyone in many different situations untill you see, on what has been covered up by satan.
In the old testermnet it writes God will devide the lauguage. but im here to tell you that was satan who said that and he did just that, and the lauguage satan devided was the lauguage of intervention and training the eyes of the heart, which i bet none of you know and wouldnt even want to know what the bow is, Why well alot of you will be puffed up with pride after reading this.
The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention. which we all have in our heart and is the key to Gods kingdom, satan doesnt have it never will and wants none of you to have it. hes even lauged at all of you when he seperated the truth of the bow in the four corners of the world and laughs when you read it and you dont spot it.
a lot of that truth is staring you in the face, and written in our bible, but none of you have spotted it.
Why well because the devil loves a good laugh by blinding you with the truth that hes seperated pretty Good, and wiped out all our ancesters who had this knowledge.

The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom. and thus it is Gods wisdom that out smarts the devil, the devils has allready assasinated this thread many times.

there plotting there next attempt of fear mongering right now as i speak and whats the bets i now become a heretic so the truth doesnt get told. and then there will be the conspiricies to come after this and the many plots of who i might be.

With me it is way different.
My position is " Big God...little devil"

 

[de-emerald]

"The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention"

Upon googling that....it comes up nothing

Same thing with this ;
"The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom"

Yup the google Gods havent come to your rescue this time. you wont find it on Google anywhere. just as much as you wont find the ark of the intervention anywhere. satan runs the world and his wisdom runs the world wide web.
dont forget satan said in scripture only a few of you will experience the expanceness of the heavens. do you think hes going to let you have knowledge of the language of intervention...

do you think hes going to let you have the correct knowledge of the heavens when he rules this world. Sorry to disapoint you but youll wake up one day, and realize Google is not your God

 

[de-emerald]

With me it is way different.
My position is " Big God...little devil"

have you ever un possessed somebody of a demon and seen the demon leave with your own eyes. ?

 

[de-emerald]

I only added this emoji to the entire 5 pages

I don't think anything against you.
I think this is what you believe whether I agree to it or not.
I do see it as a place of growth for you and how you envision this portion of God's Word.

is that aimed towards me ? are we back to being enmies again ?,, didnt you get proven wrong with that one last time you decided i was the enemy. ?

 

[1ofthem]

Thanks for caring enough to share.

No problem...ANYTIME!

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

why wont any of you answers all theese honest questions > why wont you ?

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.


Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?