More Errors?

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Who Incited the Lord against Israel?
Second Samuel 24 1-3 . . . N K J V:“Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." So the king said to Joab the commander of the army who was with him, "Now go throughout all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and count the people, that I may know the number of the people." And Joab said to the king, "Now may the LORD your God add to the people a hundred times more than there are, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king desire this thing?"

First Chronicles 21 1-3 . . . N K J V:“Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. So David said to Joab and to the leaders of the people, "Go, number Israel from Beersheba to Dan, and bring the number of them to me that I may know it." And Joab answered, "May the LORD make His people a hundred times more than they are. But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? Why then does my lord require this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt in Israel?"
Nothing can happen unless God allows it.

God did not cause David to number Israel directly but He allowed Satan to stir him up to number Israel but it is the same as God caused it because Satan could not stir up David to number Israel unless God allowed it.

Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech.

1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1Sa 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

Sometimes God would allow an evil spirit to influence someone but God did not influence them directly but it is the same as an evil spirit from the LORD.

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Satan can do nothing unless God allows it and He allowed Satan to stir up David to number Israel but it is the same as if God did it for it could not happen unless He allowed it but He did not do it directly because God does not tempt any person.
 

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God did not cause David to number Israel directly but He allowed Satan to stir him up to number Israel but it is the same as God caused it because Satan could not stir up David to number Israel unless God allowed it.
Yep. @Gideon300 and I already covered this.
 

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How many other christian forums have you posted your "errors in the bible", Thread,?
How long have you been doing this?
So . . . I'm 54 years old and have cancer. I'm not interested in your youthful aggression. If you keep doing this, you'll be the latest addition of the "Goading List," Aka "Ignore List."
 
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So . . . I'm 54 years old and have cancer. I'm not interested in your youthful aggression. If you keep doing this, you'll be the latest addition of the "Goading List," Aka "Ignore List."

You're young.
Im well ahead of you.

I'll pray that you would be healed.
I was healed of a blood disease, and i can assure you that God is well able.
Im sure that the other members who read this post will agree with me that your diagnosis would be reversed and that the diagnosis never return to you a 2nd time.
The name of Jesus, is above every name, including the name : "cancer"

Now, Do yourself a blessing.
Stop writing Threads that cast doubt on God's word especially considering you need God's word to be your healing.
Thats not "youthful aggression" speaking to you,.... that is wisdom offering you a pearl of great advice.
Do not bite the hand of God, that feeds you with His word.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Because you have berated and belittled me, I am not interested in what you have to say. I wrote:

"For you "scholars" here, I'd love to hear your thoughts on these two parallel chapters."

I didn't come here to teach or correct, but try to understand the things that I have written in my OWN, PERSONAL COMMENTARY. Why? Because I want to understand these issues. Why you don't get this, I do not know. Goodbye. You have been blocked.
 
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"For you "scholars" here, I'd love to hear your thoughts
thats what im doing for you.
The issue isnt asking questions about the bible........the issue is posting a Thread that states that what you can't prove, could be ERRORS found in the WOG.
See, when you state that the bible could have errors, you have cast a dark light on the word of God.
That's the issue with your Thread.
You DECIDED to imply that the bible is full of ERRORS.
You didnt have to state it that way, as that is an unproven accusation being implied....... but you chose to ....
 

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There's nothing wrong with reading the bible, coming to questionable conclusions, and then asking questions in a bible study forum. What there is something wrong with, is de-railing peoples threads with things that don't have to do with their topic. 2Tim isn't "presenting himself as an angel of light", he's trying to write a bible study.
That is exactly what @2ndTimothyGroup is trying to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong about this thread.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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That is exactly what @2ndTimothyGroup is trying to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong about this thread.
Thank you, Tourist. You are definitely becoming a friend, and I appreciate that very much. All that I want to do is understand God's Holy Word, and when I have questions, I choose to come here rather than some commentary. In my view, this is a compliment to each person not on my block list, and it is a compliment to the owner and Moderators of this forum.

Now, those on the Block List are viewed as Trolls . . . I don't take them seriously, which is why they are blocked.
 
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That is exactly what @2ndTimothyGroup is trying to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong about this thread.
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Here is one of his statements..........""because the First Chronicles rendition is in complete contradiction."""

Notice he just taught an error in the word of God?
What is his proof?
"im writing a paper, and i found this verse and over here that says something different then this other verse, and i can't understand why, so, i'll just say its an error or a contradiction".

See that? That is unproven implication, regarding denying the Word of God is TRUTH.
This creates the idea that the bible is not trustworthy.
Why would anyone want to do this, on a Christian forum?
It would be understandable if this person was on a Atheist forum, as they'd love his Thread.
But here, its a finger in God's eye that you'd do well not to support.
 
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Now, those on the Block List are viewed as Trolls . . .
Your Thread is a click bait Troll.
You titled it "MORE Errors" as if you have already proven previous ones, which is a deceit.
That is very deceptive
But you already know that.
Its why you are here.
 

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There's nothing wrong with reading the bible, coming to questionable conclusions, and then asking questions in a bible study forum. What there is something wrong with, is de-railing peoples threads with things that don't have to do with their topic. 2Tim isn't "presenting himself as an angel of light", he's trying to write a bible study.
Aren't you thankful that the Lord has opened our eyes so that we can see what is True? I, for one, and thankful for what you've written above. Thank you very kindly.
 
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Aren't you thankful that the Lord has opened our eyes so that we can see what is True? I, for one, and thankful for what you've written above. Thank you very kindly.
Reposting posts posted previously by other members, to try to support your Click Bait Trolling Thread, isn't going to help you.
Your Thread is Titled "MORE Errors"......which implies you have proven previous errors, which has not occurred.
So, your Thread is trying to cast doubt on the bible, with a title that isn't even true.
 

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Notice he just taught an error in the word of God?
No. He didn't TEACH anything. Nor did he frame himself as a teacher of anything.
Your Thread is Titled "MORE Errors"
Except, it's titled with a question mark, which you seem to have omitted. Who is the troll here?
 

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No. He didn't TEACH anything. Nor did he frame himself as a teacher of anything.

Except, it's titled with a question mark, which you seem to have omitted. Who is the troll here?
Exactly. These trolls do nothing but twist and turn, and to meet their agenda, they ignore the obvious . . . like the fact that I was asking "them" a question. They miss that I was asking "them" for help. Incredible. This kind of crap is more prevalent than on YouTube comments. Christian forums are filled with the most divisive people on the planet . . . but they are not like the owner of this site or the moderators . . . these agitators are non-believers. They are corrupt.
 
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No. He didn't TEACH anything. Nor did he frame himself as a teacher of anything.

Except, it's titled with a question mark, which you seem to have omitted. Who is the troll here?
Go and read the Thread.
He is stating his "contradictions", , unproven, as= MORE errors ????????????????? ..

His Thread is stating "MORE ERRORS">???
So where are the first ones that he has proven?
THey don't exist, so, to state "more" when ZERO have been proven.......is DECEIT that you are not able to recognize, yet.
 

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So where are the first ones that he has proven?
THey don't exist, so, to state "more" when ZERO have been proven.......is DECEIT that you are not able to recognize, yet
Considering I helped him resolve those discrepancies on a different thread, I'm pretty sure I recognize what is going on, and not you.
 
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Considering I helped him resolve those discrepancies on a different thread, I'm pretty sure I recognize what is going on, and not you.
You didn't help him enough.
Notice he has posted.......as the TITLE of this THREAD...


= MORE ERRORS ????...........MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MOREE.........MORE MORE.......?????????????

This means......>" I already found SOME ERRORS">..........now are there = MORE MORE MORE?

Do you see it yet?
Tell me when you do., as when you SEE IT, you will then know what he is DOING HERE.
 

SomeDisciple

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Do you see it yet?
I see you continuing to get butt hurt over semantics that have been explained to you. He doesn't have to prove anything because he's not framing himself as any kind of authority. It's a discussion forum. He did find errors before- his errors. Get over it, man.