Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson

[CS1]

Good post by Brother Gregg Jackson on the subject of Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security'

"Calvinists all claim to believe in eternal security (OSAS) & teach you can't lose your salvation IF you "truly believed" which of course is (according to them) determined by your fruit, works, how much you sin, habitual sins etc...

CALVINIST Eternal Security is FAR different from BIBLICAL Eternal Security which GUARANTEES every born again believer is Eternally Saved, Sealed, Sanctified & Secure the INSTANT they trust in Christ alone as savior (by believing The Gospel) regardless of how they may live SUBSEQUENT to being born again.

A born again believer SHOULD live lives (as empowered by The Holy Spirit) that are holy, righteous and set apart unto The Lord.
But it is neither a REQUIREMENT for salvation nor EVIDENCE of "genuine salvation."
Many works salvationists (Calvinist/Lordshippers & Arminians) call this (as a pejorative) "easy believism," "greasy grace" and "giving people a license to sin."

But it's what The Bible says is true...
Salvation is either a FREE GIFT procured and realized by faith ALONE in Jesus Christ ALONE the very NANOSECOND a person believes or it's not.
Period..."

everyone has a gift yet you can choose to use it or not, there will be many who chose not to hear the call of the Holy Spirit and reject the gift, God doesn't force one to be saved.

 

[oyster67]

Losing faith does not mean losing salvation

Casting away our faith does mean losing salvation. Apostacy happens.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

We do not receive our incorruptible crowns until we get to Heaven.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Instead of looking at God. and saying I am just as guilty as hitler. I need Christ and HIS Salvation. I am not worthy.

Excellent! I think MUCH MORE Focus About God's Salvation Should Be On "What
HE HAS DONE {Because of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD} For us," who WERE NEVER
worthy, but who believe, and, let's see "in a nanosecond," What That entails
{below...}, instead of the misguided focus Of:

me, myself, and I "struggling, But NEVER maintaining it." What think ye?:

You should check your Bible - There is no Scripture that says that salvation is by faith alone. That is a doctrinal belief that men have stated. We are saved by grace through faith, not of works - that is what Paul clearly states.

It seems that you believe that the very nanosecond, the exact point in time, that a person first believes is the determining factor on their eternal destiny. Do you have any Scripture that clearly states this?

Or is this your doctrinal belief based on your study of Scripture?

Clear Scriptures? Yes, there Certainly is! Are you ready?:

too long, see Next Two Posts:

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Precious friend(s). All Praise, Honor, And Glory To The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
The Wonderful Saviour, And HIS Finished Work On The Deadly CROSS,
(1 John 2 : 2, 4 : 10 KJB), In Love for All mankind! Amen?

For He Hath Made Him sin For us, Who Knew no sin; that we might be
Made The Righteousness Of God In HIM!” (2 Corinthians 5 : 21 KJB!)

Part I God’s OPERATION On ALL of HIS Chosen!:

(1) Accepted In The Beloved, To The Praise Of

The Glory Of HIS GRACE! (Ephesians 1 : 6 KJB!)​

(2) Adopted (Romans 8 : 15; Galatians 4 : 5; Ephesians 1 : 5 KJB!)

(3) Baptized:

“BY” ONE Holy Spirit!
(Ephesians 4 : 3-6; 1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!):

Into HIS Death, And Buried With HIM!
(Romans 6 : 3 Colossians 2 : 12 KJB!)
Into HIS ONE Body!! (1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!)
Into JESUS CHRIST!!! (Romans 6 : 3; Galatians 3 : 27 KJB!)​

(4) Blessed With All Spiritual Blessings In Heavenly Places In CHRIST!

(Ephesians 1 : 3 KJB!)​

(5) Circumcised With The Circumcision Of CHRIST! (Colossians 2 : 11 KJB!)

(6) Delivered:

From the power of darkness! (Colossians 1 : 13 KJB!)
From so great a death!! (2 Corinthians 1 : 10 KJB!)
From the wrath to come!!! (Romans 5 : 9; 1 Thessalonians 1 : 10 KJB!)​

(7) FORGIVEN of ALL sins and trespasses,

According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!
(Romans 4 : 7; Ephesians 1 : 7, 4 : 32; Colossians 1 : 14, 2 : 13 KJB!)​

(8) Given:

The Earnest of The Spirit in our hearts! (2 Corinthians 1 : 22, 5 : 5 KJB!)
Everlasting Consolation and Good Hope Through GRACE!
(2 Thessalonians 2 : 16 KJB!)

GRACE, Which was Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!
(2 Timothy 1 : 9 KJB!)
GRACE according to The Measure Of The Gift Of CHRIST!
(Ephesians 4 : 7 KJB!)

PEACE Through our LORD JESUS CHRIST! (Romans 5 : 1; Philippians 4 : 7 KJB!)
The Promise By Faith Of JESUS CHRIST! (Galatians 3 : 22 KJB!)
The spirit of power, love, And a sound mind! (2 Timothy 1 : 7 KJB!)​

(9) Glorified!

(Romans 8 : 30 cp 2 Corinthians 4 : 17; 2 Thessalonians 2 : 14 KJB!):

"When CHRIST, Who Is our Life, Shall Appear, Then Shall
ye Also appear With HIM In Glory!" (Colossians 3 : 4 KJB!)
​

Thanks Be To God For "The Merits Of The PRECIOUS BLOOD"
Of HIS Only Begotten SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST! Amen?

(10) Justified:

Freely By HIS GRACE (Romans 3 : 24; Titus 3 : 7 KJB!)

CHRIST, Who Was Delivered For our offences,

Was Raised For our justification! (Romans 4 : 25 KJB!)​

By faith (Romans 5 : 1 KJB!)

By HIS Blood! (Romans 5 : 9 KJB!)
In The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By

The Spirit Of our God! (1 Corinthians 6 : 11 KJB!)​

(11) Made:

Accepted In The Beloved (Ephesians 1 : 6 KJB!)

alive, Together With CHRIST!
(Ephesians 2 : 1, 5; 1 Corinthians 15 : 22 KJB!)
children Of God
(Romans 8 : 14-16; Galatians 3 : 26; Ephesians 1 : 5 KJB!)

Complete In HIM (Colossians 2 : 10 KJB!)
to drink into One Spirit (1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!)

Free From the law of sin and death (Romans 8 : 2 KJB!)
Free In The Liberty Of CHRIST! (Galatians 5 : 1 KJB!)

heirs With God / Joint heirs With CHRIST!
(Titus 3 : 7; Romans 8 : 17 KJB!)
nigh by The BLOOD Of CHRIST! (Ephesians 2 : 13 KJB!)

righteous By The Obedience Of ONE {CHRIST!}
(Romans 5 : 19 KJB!)
The Righteousness Of God In HIM! (2 Corinthians 5 : 21 KJB!)

to sit together In Heavenly Places In CHRIST JESUS!
(Ephesians 2 : 6 KJB!)
[worthy] meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the

saints in Light! (Colossians 1 : 12 KJB!)​

to be continued...​

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[GRACE_ambassador]

Part II: God’s OPERATION On ALL of HIS Chosen!

The Wonderful Eternal Merits Of The Saviour's Precious BLOOD, continued:

(12) Purchased:

God Purchased HIS Church With HIS OWN BLOOD! ​

(Acts 20 : 28 KJB!)​

“...Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto ​

The Praise Of HIS Glory!” (Ephesians 1 : 14 KJB!)​

(13) Raised:

“Buried With HIM In Baptism, Wherein Also ye Are RISEN With HIM ​

Through The Faith Of The OPERATION Of God, Who Hath RAISED ​

HIM From the dead.” (Colossians 2 : 12 KJB!)​

​

Up Together With CHRIST! (Ephesians 2 : 6 KJB!)​

(14) Redeemed:

“...The Great God and our Saviour JESUS CHRIST; Who Gave ​

HIMSELF For us, That HE might Redeem us From ALL iniquity…” ​

(Titus 2 : 14 KJB!) ​

​

From the curse of the law! (Galatians 3 : 13 KJB!)​

Redemption IN CHRIST JESUS! (Romans 3 : 24 KJB!)​

Redemption Through HIS BLOOD! ​

(Ephesians 1 : 7; Colossians 1 : 14 KJB!)​

​

God Made CHRIST Redemption Unto us who are IN HIM! ​

(1 Corinthians 1 : 30 KJB!)​

“...Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto ​

The Praise Of HIS Glory!” (Ephesians 1 : 14 KJB!)​

​

Sealed By The Holy Spirit Unto The Day Of Redemption!​

(Ephesians 4 : 30 KJB!)​

The {Day Of} Redemption of our body! (Romans 8 : 23 KJB!)​

(15) Saved:

“For The GRACE Of God That Bringeth Salvation ​

Hath Appeared To all men” (Titus 2 : 11 KJB!)​

But, FOR Only those, who are humble:​

​

The Gospel Of CHRIST Is The Power Of God Unto Salvation ​

to Every one that believeth! (Romans 1 : 16 KJB!)​

​

“For The preaching Of The CROSS is to them that perish foolishness;​

but unto us which Are SAVED It Is The Power Of God!”​

(1 Corinthians 1 : 18 KJB!)​

​

“By GRACE are ye Saved Through faith”​

(Ephesians 2 : 5, 8-9 KJB!)​

“...According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which ​

Was Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began...”​

(2 Timothy 1 : 9 KJB!)​

“...According To HIS MERCY HE SAVED us...” (Titus 3 : 5 KJB!)​

(16) Sealed:

By The Holy Spirit Unto The Day Of Redemption! ​

(Ephesians 1 : 13, 4 : 30; 2 Corinthians 1 : 22 KJB!)​

​

God’s Sure Foundation Has This SEAL: ​

​

“The LORD Knoweth them That Are HIS!” ​

(2 Timothy 2 : 19 KJB!)​

(17) Translated:

“[SPIRITUALLY Transferred] Into The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON!” ​

(Colossians 1 : 13 KJB!)​

(18) Washed:

“And such [UNrighteous v. 9] were some of you: but ye are​

WASHED, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified In The ​

Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God.” ​

(1 Corinthians 6 : 11 KJB!)​

​

“...CHRIST also Loved the church, and Gave HIMSELF For it; ​

That HE might sanctify and Cleanse it with The WASHING Of ​

Water By The WORD…” (Ephesians 5 : 25-26 KJB!)​

Precious friend(s), In Conclusion:

“For we preach not ourselves, but CHRIST JESUS The LORD; and ourselves
your servants for JESUS’ Sake. For God, Who Commanded the light to shine
out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of
The Glory Of God In The Face Of JESUS CHRIST. But we have This Treasure in
earthen vessels, that The Excellency Of The Power may be Of God, and not of us.”
(2 Corinthians 4 : 5-7 KJB!)

ALL Because of CHRIST's FULL Sacrifice! Amen?
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In addition to These {6 Dozen +} Passages, God Also Has
More Scriptural Evidence Of HIS Glorious Eternal Salvation:
58 Solid Biblical Facts!

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Casting away our faith does mean losing salvation. Apostacy happens.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

We do not receive our incorruptible crowns until we get to Heaven.

If I can lose salvation I must earn it

take your focus off self and put it on God, the author and finisher of your faith

God does not fail. He finishes what he started, that’s his promise,

 

[gb9]

God alone saves us.
it is not a joint effort.

not of yourselves, a gift from God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God alone saves us.
it is not a joint effort.

not of yourselves, a gift from God.

Amen, as he said, He who began a good work will complete it. Not might complete it.

however he has to begin it, which happens at the moment of salvation.

salvation can’t be lost because it can’t be earned,

people who lose faith lost it because God never started the good work, so by not experiencing Gods love, they think that he failed, and stop believing

like the example given earlier, the man admitted he searched for God, but never found him, that’s why he left and is now an atheist.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Clear Scriptures? Yes, there Certainly is!

oops: Yes, There Certainly Are! Now, methinks of TWO Of God's Works,
That Happen {Chester's nanosecond?} "In The Twinkling Of an eye!":

Justification And Glorification! Amen?
God's Simple Will!

 

[oyster67]

I am not a calvinist my friend, I have proven this so many times in this chat room, that fact you continue this shared of thinking you know something that is not true, and I am offended and shocked you could stoop this low in order to make me look bad, and make yourself look good. How dare you, you should be ashamed.

I am shamed, yet at the same time I am honored that you should count me as your friend.

obtw, could you please make your second point more legible and less blasphemous...

2. and poor Jesus, I mean he must me so untrustworthy that people have no reason or no proof to remain a believer, I mean to be someone that is unreliable and lets face it, a liar. No wonder so many true believer lose fath.

 

[oyster67]

it is not that they did NOT abide in the vine, it is that they now deny Christ ,

A man that now denies Christ is obviously not abiding in the Vine. The man who abides in the Vine bears good fruit. The truth is not complicated. Error is complicated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am shamed, yet at the same time I am honored that you should count me as your friend.

obtw, could you please make your second point more legible and less blasphemous...

People lose faith in those who end up being untrustworthy, because they fail us or continue to give us no reason to trust them

if faith can be lost as you claim, that reflects badly on Jesus, not on the person

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A man that now denies Christ is obviously not abiding in the Vine. The man who abides in the Vine bears good fruit. The truth is not complicated. Error is complicated.

A man who denies Christ was “never of us” as John said. They departed to expose this fact that they were never saved.

they were never attached to the vine to begin with,

 

[CherieR]

This is correct, Chester, since Salvation is by Faith Alone. Not of Works.



Quite an extreme example, you gave there, Chester. One thing we must keep in mind, Chester is this. God’s infallible word, His Finished Bible, the blessed King James Bible teaches us that God will chasten His Children. And if a Christian begins to live after the flesh and live wickedly, God will deal with him. Now Is a Christian capable of committing abomination? Yes. A Christian is capable of committing any sin mentioned in the Book. A Christian is even capable of doing much worse than Hitler did. Since our Sinful nature is that evil and wicked. Now I believe that God would not allow a Christian to get to that level of what you mentioned in your example. I believe that the Christian would either be in prison before he got to a point of torturing and eating people. Or that God would kill that Christian and take him home early to heaven before it got that bad. The truth is though, is a Christian capable of committing very wicked and ungodly deeds? Yes. Because we still have our Old Sinful Nature. The difference is, with us, God chastens us and scourges us because He loves us.

It also is important to understand Chester, just because a Christian may live a wicked and immoral life, that does not do away with his new nature. The New Man (New Birth) is still in him. It will never go away since the New Birth is born of God (1 John 3:9) and born of the Holy Scripture (1 Pet. 1:23). And on the other hand, if a Christian is living one of the most godly and holy lives out there possible, that does not do away with his Old Man (his first birth, his Sin nature). For his sin nature still dwells in his physical members in his flesh, but he just has subdued it by walking in the Spirit.

I don’t see how a born again Christian could do worse than Hitler. When someone is born again God gives them a new heart and a new Spirit. The Holy Spirit produces love in the heart of a believer. How could the sinful nature be so strong to block out the Holy Spirit’s work of producing love in a believer? If someone is worse than Hitler than that would indicate to me that they don’t have God’s love in them.

 

[oyster67]

If I can lose salvation I must earn it

Wrong. Non sequitur.

 

[oyster67]

if faith can be lost as you claim, that reflects badly on Jesus, not on the person

No, it reflects badly on the person. You seem tired. Bedtime for both of us.

 

[oyster67]

they were never attached to the vine to begin with,

A man cannot abide in something he was never attached to.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Casting away our faith does mean losing salvation. Apostacy happens.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

We do not receive our incorruptible crowns until we get to Heaven.

Totally agree with ya here, Oyster67. Faith is our part and is a condition of salvation.

"But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence— [if] indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant."

"Now Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house, testifying to what would be spoken later. But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are His house, [if] we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast."

"We have come to share in Christ [if] we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first.

Therefore and as I have always proclaimed, it is not just OSAS, but faith is required from beginning to end.

 

[Ahwatukee]

A man who denies Christ was “never of us” as John said. They departed to expose this fact that they were never saved.

they were never attached to the vine to begin with,

Hi Eternally-gratefull,

I just thought that I would chime in here:

"My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

You can't wander away from something that you were never a part of.

Notice that while in that wandered stated that the hypothetical person is accumulating sin and is on their way to death. And here is one more example:

"But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’ And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. "

The above demonstrates a believer and even an overseer hypothetically going back into living according to the sinful nature. Notice the designations of 'servant' and "Master" demonstrating that the servant is a true believer which has turned away from faith. Notice the outcome.

God's grace is the wall outlet and our faith is the plug to God's grace. If we unplug it, we have been removed form the power of God's grace. We need to stay plugged in.

 

[Marilyn]

As I understand Calvinism—and I'll admit I don't understand it that well—for the elect, salvation is irresistible and therefore they have no choice in the matter; it's going to happen. Likewise, since it's not up to them, they can't do anything to mess it up (lose their salvation).

But the New Testament teaches all who call on the Lord will be saved.

So we have a dilemma: How can both be correct? Some have suggested there are two groups—the elect who have everything already done for them; and the rest who have to actively seek and find God for themselves. Since everything's not preordained for the second group it's possible they can forsake the way by their own choice.

The jury's still out for me.

May I suggest a picture that could help us.

So...there is a door before us, it says on it `Whosoever may enter.` Some enter and some don`t. Those who enter look behind them and on the back of the door it says `Chosen in Him.` Thus we see that `all` are invited, however the ones who respond are obviously `chosen` because they are now `in Christ.` Note that if `all` responded then `all` would be `chosen.`

The front door is our view, the back of the door, (Jesus) is God`s view, omniscient, (all knowing).

Marilyn.