Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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GaryA said:
I post the link simply because I see no reason to retype it or copy the whole page into a post and then modify it for presentation.
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Considering the fact that - during the course of the many "discussions" on here - the same information is presented over-and-over-and-over - and - the fact that I must post from my phone (which I am definitely not crazy about) - I don't think it is unreasonable to be able to refer someone to something that has taken a lot of effort and time to "make presentable" for the reader.

You are not the site owner - don't give me any 'crap'.

Tracy and Jim both know that I have always tried to do my best to respect them, the staff, other members, and the site rules. And, they know that they may discuss with me without aggravation anything concerning my posting habits that they feel needs to change.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
This is a discussion forum, it is illegal to promote your stuff in this discussion forum number 1. And number 2 if you want to talk, talk to me. If you don’t want to discuss. Well then I have better things to do that to try to discuss with someone who has no desire to discuss
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I don't need to discuss what has already been "discussed" in detail on the web page.

I actually honestly don't believe I could "do justice" to some topics any better than to simply point someone to my 'study' pages.

If someone reads the web page and has questions about what they have read, I will be happy to try to answer those questions.

However, after having had the experience of writting a gazillion [seemingly] "ignored" words in posts that seem to be just wasted effort, I would much rather just point people to an explanation I have already made...

If you would like to discuss something - then - discuss what you have read on the web page --- that is my view - what I believe.

If you wish to ignore me - go for it!

It will not hurt my feelings one little bit...
 
GaryA said:
I don't need to discuss what has already been "discussed" in detail on the web page.

I actually honestly don't believe I could "do justice" to some topics any better than to simply point someone to my 'study' pages.

If someone reads the web page and has questions about what they have read, I will be happy to try to answer those questions.

However, after having had the experience of writting a gazillion [seemingly] "ignored" words in posts that seem to be just wasted effort, I would much rather just point people to an explanation I have already made...

If you would like to discuss something - then - discuss what you have read on the web page --- that is my view - what I believe.

If you wish to ignore me - go for it!

It will not hurt my feelings one little bit...
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Then why are you in a Bible discussion forum if you do not want to discuss?

when you talk to,people face to face do you send them to your web page?

that’s rude,
 
de-emerald said:
This looks like a mirror image of what happened after the flood. but with a twist.
After the flood we have just eight people left and the rest of mankind was wiped out because they where evil, but some how mankind becomes evil again and no mention of evil spirits causing it.

same thing here after tribulation and after the wicked are killed and evil spirit are taken captive. the only people left on earth are believers in christ but yet some how mankind goes evil again. only this time where ment to believe mankind does it by them selves because all evil spirits are held captive by christ. so again no mention of evil spirits causing it.
same thing for adam and eve, where told they disobeyed by there own accord.
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Well, even though fallen angels/demons are not mentioned, they have always been in the world to deceive mankind and it was the same after Noah and his offspring began to repopulated the earth. Mankind has always been exposed to their temptations. However, during the thousand years, Satan and his angels will be locked up in the Abyss. So during the thousand years, mankind will not be exposed to the deceptions and temptations of fallen angels. It will not be of mankind's own accord, but will be due to Satan and his angels being released to influence mankind once again after a thousand years of peace.

There's a huge difference here to take into account in the 1000 year reign of Christ, the only people left on earth after the wicked have been killed by the lord and all evil spirits has been sealed (taken captive), is people who believe in Christ. Surely they will have received the spirit and there children are born from people who are holy spirit indwelled. but some how they all go wicked again, but this time by there own accord, because there are no evil spirits on the earth at this time.
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It's not "some how they all go wicked," but because Satan and his angels will be released again.

God told Adam and Eve that in the day that they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would surely die. The serpent/Satan came along and said, "no, you will not die. God knows that in the day that you of it you will become like God knowing good from evil." So Eve believed what the serpent/Satan said instead of what God said. Since then, God has been looking for those who will believe in His word. Mankind always allows himself to be deceived and drawn away from God by the tempter and that is what is going to happen here after a thousand years of no temptation or deception, until they are let out of the Abyss, where at that time they will listen to Satan again and be drawn away.

but yet its clear through out scripture evil from demonic forces has made mankind fall. and evil has persacuted christians since christ 2000 years ago

Its clear that to me that evil denomic forces are very good at shifting the blame. and covering there tracks. so where now ment believe that a nation of born again believers (christians) can still become evil. and where back to sqaure one again. Theres something not right here. my guess where being decieved by evil here. seams to be the repeat pattern everywhere.
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Except for this time, there will be a large amount of people who believe in God's word and will hold tight to it, keeping the testimony of Jesus and not allowing themselves to be deceived and to be drawn away, which is the true church.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I other words, you hate pre-trib
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No. I just don't agree with it. It is not biblical.

eternally-gratefull said:
I am just being like you, you get what you put out, if you do not like it stop it
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I am just telling it like it is - you are trying to start some 'crap' because you will not accept that I am just as much entitled to my own belief/opinion as anyone else.

And - you need to stop it...

eternally-gratefull said:
Then why are you in a Bible discussion forum if you do not want to discuss?

when you talk to,people face to face do you send them to your web page?

that’s rude,
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Not rude - practical.

This environment is not face to face. And, it is based on reading text - sometimes - including text not on this site.

Otherwise, why does anyone post links to other sites where information may be found that the poster wishes to share with others?

There is nothing wrong with presenting an already-existing explanation rather than going through the time and effort to re-create it again. That is what it is there for...

The fact that it is my web site is beside the point - I am not trying to sell anything - my only intent is to offer information.

If it is properly related to the thread topic, it is perfectly valid to post it in the thread.

I do not post links to my web pages randomly; but, only when it is relative to the topic/conversation.
 
GaryA said:
No. I just don't agree with it. It is not biblical.
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if you say so


I am just telling it like it is - you are trying to start some 'crap' because you will not accept that I am just as much entitled to my own belief/opinion as anyone else.
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your right

but that’s not what this s about, this is about the way you treat people
And - you need to stop it...
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I will stop when you stop

Not rude - practical.
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nothing practical about it, it’s rude and unchristlike



This environment is not face to face. And, it is based on reading text - sometimes - including text not on this site.

Otherwise, why does anyone post links to other sites where information may be found that the poster wishes to share with others?

There is nothing wrong with presenting an already-existing explanation rather than going through the time and effort to re-create it again. That is what it is there for...

The fact that it is my web site is beside the point - I am not trying to sell anything - my only intent is to offer information.

If it is properly related to the thread topic, it is perfectly valid to post it in the thread.

I do not post links to my web pages randomly; but, only when it is relative to the topic/conversation.
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the only text I am worried about is the word of God

you want to discuss what you believe, let’s do it,

otherwise, your just being rude, promoting yourself.
 
GaryA said:
Hey - we agree on something! :)

Of course, we think about it differently and I don't believe in a 3.5-year "tribulation" (i.e. - "Great Tribulation") either.
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That’s ok, again that’s your right.

However, Jesus said there will be great tribulation, such has never been seen before or after. And it will end wih his return,

so I will go with Jesus on this one
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Well, even though fallen angels/demons are not mentioned, they have always been in the world to deceive mankind and it was the same after Noah and his offspring began to repopulated the earth. Mankind has always been exposed to their temptations. However, during the thousand years, Satan and his angels will be locked up in the Abyss. So during the thousand years, mankind will not be exposed to the deceptions and temptations of fallen angels. It will not be of mankind's own accord, but will be due to Satan and his angels being released to influence mankind once again after a thousand years of peace.



It's not "some how they all go wicked," but because Satan and his angels will be released again.

God told Adam and Eve that in the day that they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would surely die. The serpent/Satan came along and said, "no, you will not die. God knows that in the day that you of it you will become like God knowing good from evil." So Eve believed what the serpent/Satan said instead of what God said. Since then, God has been looking for those who will believe in His word. Mankind always allows himself to be deceived and drawn away from God by the tempter and that is what is going to happen here after a thousand years of no temptation or deception, until they are let out of the Abyss, where at that time they will listen to Satan again and be drawn away.



Except for this time, there will be a large amount of people who believe in God's word and will hold tight to it, keeping the testimony of Jesus and not allowing themselves to be deceived and to be drawn away, which is the true church.
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honestly its no diffrent of whats happening today. Concerning christians being tempted by demons (fallen angels). This is the dilema i think in why people think that theres something false about theese teaching of pretrib rapture and wrath and end time wrath.

1 thousand year reign of christ, followed by satan and his fallen angels being let lose again on christians again is no different of today, satan and demons effecting christians every where today and have done for thousands of years. it simply just isnt an end time event to come and neither is tribulation. the real truth tomewould be Jesus does not have anything todo with demons,

Its so easy to say that the elect christians will not be decieved when satan could make you think that, when i know a person can go there whole life not knowing there being decieved from birth to death, and not even knowing there possessed as well, valid for today. Unless youve seen a demon with your own eyes, or performed spiritual exorcism and witnessed there ability to create, mirracles, illusions, visions ,and to possess peoples minds on the outside as well as on the inside, and trick people thoughts on the out side and on the inside, you and most people even the elect christian could be decieved. There are so many people out of there depth on this matter.

And people will say the end result is the same if you believe satan its your own fault. well satan would love that idea to. he likes to go unoticed, and watch someone else get the blame for what he can cause a person to do and say.

clearly he goes unoticed everywhere by so many people around the world.
Theres a clear indication of deliberate persacution here that is just being dissmissed by so many in our church, christianity.
 
de-emerald said:
honestly its no diffrent of whats happening today. Concerning christians being tempted by demons (fallen angels). This is the dilema i think in why people think that theres something false about theese teaching of pretrib rapture and wrath and end time wrath.

1 thousand year reign of christ, followed by satan and his fallen angels being let lose again on christians again is no different of today, satan and demons effecting christians every where today and have done for thousands of years. it simply just isnt an end time event to come and neither is tribulation. the real truth tomewould be Jesus does not have anything todo with demons,

Its so easy to say that the elect christians will not be decieved when satan could make you think that, when i know a person can go there whole life not knowing there being decieved from birth to death, and not even knowing there possessed as well, valid for today. Unless youve seen a demon with your own eyes, or performed spiritual exorcism and witnessed there ability to create, mirracles, illusions, visions ,and to possess peoples minds on the outside as well as on the inside, and trick people thoughts on the out side and on the inside, you and most people even the elect christian could be decieved. There are so many people out of there depth on this matter.

And people will say the end result is the same if you believe satan its your own fault. well satan would love that idea to. he likes to go unoticed, and watch someone else get the blame for what he can cause a person to do and say.

clearly he goes unoticed everywhere by so many people around the world.
There's a clear indication of deliberate persecution here that is just being dismissed by so many in our church, Christianity.
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I don't quite know what your point is in your post above, but the difference between the past millennia and the thousand years, is that Satan and his angels will be restricted in the Abyss and will therefore not be able to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. Their restriction in the Abyss so that they cannot influence mankind will be unprecedented.

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time."

"When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore."
 
Ahwatukee said:
"When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore."
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Thats happening right now satan is decieving the the four corners of the earth and has been 6500 years. honestly the end result is the same every day.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
This is a discussion forum, it is illegal to promote your stuff in this discussion forum...
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GaryA said:
You want to show me that rule?
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If you can't/don't show me the CC site rule to back up your accusation very soon, I will be forced to consider you to be very dishonest and proud - a person who is willing to "make stuff up" and "make threats" in an attempt to intimidate another CC member and tarnish their reputation.

You will not intimidate me - don't even try.

So - to borrow from a well-known phrase:

"Put up or shut up!"
 
Ahwatukee said:
I don't quite know what your point is in your post above, but the difference between the past millennia and the thousand years, is that Satan and his angels will be restricted in the Abyss and will therefore not be able to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. Their restriction in the Abyss so that they cannot influence mankind will be unprecedented.
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I know this is mentioned in the bible, but This type of thinking also leads to people of today thinking mankind goes evil by there own accord. and once again demons go unoticed.

Ahwatukee said:
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time."
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I know this is written in the bible but this type of thinking also makes people beleve that God allows demons to persacute people today. and once again demons go unoticed.
Ahwatukee said:
"When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore."
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Once again the same pattern, people will think satan is authorized by God. Once again people are blamed and demons are not, I can not accept any scripture that suggests demons are authorized by God. and i never will. Mental illness that demons can cause a person is a searious crime, and persacuting people,and decieving people, and saying it is from God is a searious crime.

here is the correct prophecy concerning what demons do, what there always going to do, and what they will do in end times, and here it is,
Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

This is it my friend @Ahwatukee the above prophecy from Isaiah is whats happening in false prophecy that doesnt belong to God in end time revalation. Good is being called evil by saying Goodness will allow evil to persacute people and decieve people.

Suerly you can see that now, This is what im trying to explain to you. If the world carries on to believing the way it does, That God allow demons to decieve people. satans prophecies in the bible will become a reality for the whole world and mental illness will never get fixed, its allready happening brother. peace be with you
 
Time for a rethink i think, its not easy to accept that satans prophecies are in our bible, but the truth is they are, as satan has a will of his own just Like God does, satans will is to be known as God as written in 2 thessaloninians, Jesus told us woe to those people, who cause my children to stumble.

Do we have missing interpratation and scripture in our bible. as this pretribulation and end time prophecy is so widely disputed by christians, It would seem that many christians of today, are complaining that a demon is wispering in there ear. but yet theres hardly any mention of this in all the scriptures that contain a curse in our bible. Perhaps some one under the influence of satan left that part out in many many sciptures written containing a curse. We do know that the catholic church in its early days was corupted, and it was saint jerome on the authoriazation of the catholic church, to put our new testerment bible, in the chronological order that it is today. Is it possable jerome was tricked by satan.

Well we have to look at how many christians today complain of a wicked force trying to decieve them and wispering in there ear. To answer that question. We also have to look to the lords prayer, which clearly suggest we need protection from evil every day. which includes are thoughts, as quoted by Jesus, take all your thoughts captive, and may you forgive me any thoughts that come my way, so its also good to forgive the thoughts and any thoughts, to get that fountain of forgivenss flowing through bad thoughts.
 
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