2 Thessalonians 2

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No verse, and I don't say Jesus crucified in ad 33, now my brother, your turn to answer my question, you say Jesus return in ad 70, what verse say that?
Ok, if you are looking for scriptural proof, then I will stick to prophecy.
Jesus returned at the destruction of Judea and Jerusalem, the end of that age.
Quite a few scriptures to chose from

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Matthew 13
37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; 38 the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; the weeds are the children of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!
 

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Parousia means presence, not 'appearing'.
Your continual failures plumb the depths of absurdity...

"parousia" Strongs G3952 coming 22X prescence 2X

<<<You said: "Then he CAME in 70 A.D.">>>
So tell us to whom did Jesus appear at His supposed 70 A.D. COMING?
 
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Your continual failures plumb the depths of absurdity...

"parousia" Strongs G3952 coming 22X prescence 2X

<<<You said: "Then he CAME in 70 A.D.">>>
So tell us to whom did Jesus appear at His supposed 70 A.D. COMING?
I am really short on time so I don't have time for aggressive ignorant people who
can't even redact Strongs without making spelling mistakes.
I don't think you and I belong on the same thread somehow...
 

Jackson123

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9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
My brother, pay attention the word Everlasting destruction in verse 9

In ad 70 is everlasting destruction happen in Jerusalem?
Now Jerusalem back as city isn't it?
 
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Well make it a good study!
Fortunately some scriptures leave no room for doubt

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
....and he went up to his kingdom in acts 1.
They lived to see it.
 
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Well make it a good study!
Fortunately some scriptures leave no room for doubt

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Double post
 

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I am really short on time so I don't have time for aggressive ignorant people who
can't even redact Strongs without making spelling mistakes.
I don't think you and I belong on the same thread somehow...
I have physical disabilities which cause typing problems. They are easy to detect in my posts. So much for that.

Now please offer to the thread your answer to my simple question:
To whom did Jesus appear at his supposed 70 A.D. "COMING"?
 
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My brother, pay attention the word Everlasting destruction in verse 9

In ad 70 is everlasting destruction happen in Jerusalem?
Now Jerusalem back as city isn't it?
It is them though, not the city J123
 
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FreeG You said
"You have to prove that Jesus returns to heaven after resurrecting and rapturing believers. Be my guest."
Why?
To show you have a point. Well, do you?

Show me any rapture verse that shows Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.

If He does. Prove that He does.

Or can you?
 
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Well are you saying that Paul was lying? That seems to be where you are headed
1 Colossians 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
I quote from the Apostle John and you make this outrageous claim.

Are you alright?
 
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Ok, if you are looking for scriptural proof, then I will stick to prophecy.
Jesus returned at the destruction of Judea and Jerusalem, the end of that age.
Quite a few scriptures to chose from

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

This is clearly a Second Advent passage. But you are free to make up whatever you want it to be.


Matthew 13
37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; 38 the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; the weeds are the children of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!
Uh, this is a parable. Try not to spiritualize parables to fit your opinions.
 
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I am really short on time so I don't have time for aggressive ignorant people who
can't even redact Strongs without making spelling mistakes.
I don't think you and I belong on the same thread somehow...
What a stall technique!! Can't answer questions about what he makes up, so he dismisses the questions by claiming he's short on time.

Right. ;)
 
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Jackson123 said:
My brother, pay attention the word Everlasting destruction in verse 9

In ad 70 is everlasting destruction happen in Jerusalem?
Now Jerusalem back as city isn't it?
It is them though, not the city J123
Apparently you aren't aware of the fact that the "second death" or "everlasting destruction" occurs AFTER the GWT judgment, found in Rev 20:11-15.

AD 70 is WAY before all that.

Your timing is way off.
 
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Is that mean All Christian has been rapture in ad 70?
Think of it this way Jackson:
The final appearance of Christ, "The Rapture", will be an event seen (and experienced), for better of for worse, by all mankind

Matthew 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Revelation1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.


Contrariwise, when Christ came at the end of the first age, in AD70, it was a day of darkness, not light. Paul even calls the DAY of the Lord, THE NIGHT!! How much thicker can his markerpen get?!!

2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY of the Lord so cometh as a thief in THE NIGHT...
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


See that? NIGHT= DARKNESS
 

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Think of it this way Jackson:
The final appearance of Christ, "The Rapture", will be an event seen (and experienced), for better of for worse, by all mankind

Matthew 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Revelation1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.


Contrariwise, when Christ came at the end of the first age, in AD70, it was a day of darkness, not light. Paul even calls the DAY of the Lord, THE NIGHT!! How much thicker can his markerpen get?!!

2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY of the Lord so cometh as a thief in THE NIGHT...
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


See that? NIGHT= DARKNESS
2 Tess 2

1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

My brother,

What is the meaning of :"our gathering together unto Him " on that verse?