Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

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Aidan1

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How about the natural immune system that God put in our body...???
Then why people need medicine? Why need antibiotics? Why needs vaccation against pocks, polio, ebula, measels, Hepatitis, etc.?
Do you follow the princip:
Let the people die and hope it will not hit me or my family and friends.
 

Dude653

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Maybe do some real research and stop getting your information from propaganda sites
Which is exactly what anti-vax rhetoric is. Propaganda
 

PennEd

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Maybe do some real research and stop getting your information from propaganda sites
Which is exactly what anti-vax rhetoric is. Propaganda
This is literally the vaccinated sheeple!

 

Nehemiah6

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Sorry, but you have no science background at all!
Presumptuous assumptions. So let me set you straight. I have a Master of Science degree in Dairy Science from a leading university in the USA. And my thesis was in the field of food microbiology. Then I was the manager of Quality Control for a cheese manufacturing company for 10 years, and running a lab with several technicians testing for bacteria and viruses daily. I even developed a rapid test for the detection of Staph in food samples!

But the real issue which you have to deal with is your vicious and unfounded attacks on those who are exposing the COVID Conspiracy and the vaccine hoax (a Satanic agenda). When a Christian calls truth propaganda and propaganda truth, then there is a very serious spiritual issue.
 

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Then why people need medicine? Why need antibiotics? Why needs vaccation against pocks, polio, ebula, measels, Hepatitis, etc.?
Do you follow the princip:
Let the people die and hope it will not hit me or my family and friends.
People don't need anything man-made if they follow God's recipe.

All we need is a good properly working immune system - which is what God intended.

The only "medicine" God intended for us is that which is in a [truly] 'natural' form.

There are 'natural' antibiotics.

All of the things we (humans) have gotten vaccinations for happened because we (humans) "went against" the "proper way" that God intended for us.

I am not for [just] letting people die; however, I am for utilizing the 'natural' remedies that God provided for us to use - that which is based on good health - not that which is unnatural and "quick-fix" for only relieving symptoms while causing other problems instead of providing "real healing" by natural means.

These so-called "vaccines" do not utilize the proper 'natural' mechanisms that God provided in our immune system - but rather - do harm to it.
 

Nehemiah6

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COVID: The Wrecking Ball To Scientific Integrity
Most Americans have at least until now maintained faith in the integrity of our scientific establishment. But COVID-19 and the scientific malfeasance it has spawned may be the wrecking ball that tears down even that pillar of faith.

The litany of scientific sins committed in the name of COVID-19 fear-mongering includes but is not limited to the publishing of false data in a leading medical journal, the publication of intentionally misleading articles masking the laboratory origins of the SARS-2 coronavirus and the subsequent deliberate withholding of evidence to the contrary, the smearing of lauded scientists who have questioned the severity of COVID-19 and/or the treatability of the disease, and the arrogance of medical authorities such as Robert Fauci that now-validated criticism of him and the official COVID-19 narrative is “anti-science”.


The end result of all this is not merely academic, for hundreds of thousands of lives may have been lost and children not been born due to the scientific malfeasance.

One of the most egregious scientific acts was the article in Lancet in May of 2020—just when COVID-19 was ramping up—that argued that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, sold as Plaquenil) was both ineffective and dangerous in treating COVID-19 symptoms.[1]
This contradicted the fact that HCQ had been sold safely for decades to millions of people over-the-counter in many nations for anti-malarial and other purposes and that leading virologists were already using it effectively to treat early COVID-19 symptoms. By the time the bogus study was retracted, its results had already been trumpeted by the mainstream media and by leading health officials in their attacks on HCQ. Despite later meta-analyses indicating some treatment efficacy in the early stages of COVID,[2] the damage had already been inflicted. HCQ was pulled off the market in many nations and is still banned for treating COIVD-19 in many, such as Australia.


Equally damaging were the outrageous predictions of over 500,000 dead Britons and two million Americans due to COVID-19 by epidemiologist Neil Ferguson of Imperial College in London, who back-pedaled his predictions after his conclusion led to the draconian lockdowns that have so greatly damaged Western society.[3]

By contrast, an important study disputing the official COVID-19 narrative, such as Briand’s epidemiological one in the Johns Hopkins News-Letter that questioned the lethality and accuracy of COVID-19 statistics[4], was retracted by the university in an unprecedented act of scientific censorship.

Lancet later figured in another important repugnant scientific action—the publication of a letter signed by over two dozen scientists condemning speculation that the Wuhan version of the SARS coronavirus might have been created in a laboratory.[5] It was surreptitiously written by Peter Daszak, the very scientist conducting dangerous gain-of-function viral research that was banned in the United States and who was attempting to create synthetically souped-up versions of the coronavirus—in Wuhan itself...

Contrary to what much of the Western public believes, a large number of top medical professionals have questioned the severity of COVID-19, the advisability of lockdowns and masks, the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines, and restrictions on drugs such as HCQ and Ivermectin as treatments. Almost 60,000 medical practitioners and researchers have signed the Great Barrington Declaration, which rejects lockdowns and masks in favor tried-and-true herd immunity.[8]...

These prominent scientists and many others have been subjected to a litany of slanders and smears including monikers such as “witch-doctors” and “pseudoscientists”, removal from YouTube and other social media, misleading “fact-checking”, and attacks on Wikipedia sites in some cases. Some scientists have come to their defense,[9] but even some of those who rallied in public defense of these individuals have been smeared.

While most of the slander in the media has come from nonscientists in the media, academic colleagues and medical associations have occasionally joined in, as in the case of Yale faculty condemnation of Risch for his HCQ stand.[10]
But what is most disturbing is the larger scientific community’s deafening silence in defense of the scientists who opposed the official COVID-19 narrative.


Even more insidious is the notion that anyone who disagrees with the official COVID-19 narrative and policies is somehow “anti-science”. This arrogant view has been promulgated by Anthony Fauci on several occasions,[11] yet the great founders of modern science including Galileo, Descartes, and Newton emphasized the need for skepticism and humility in scientific thought.

Genuine scientists recognize that scientific orthodoxy is constantly being revised, that theories can never be proven, and scientific debate should never be silenced.

Most of the renowned scientists being denigrated are not being done so because of faulty data—after all, who can deny the low-lethality of COVID-19 when only one sailor of ~6000 on the USS Roosevelt presumably exposed to the coronavirus died or that only 14 of over 3700 mostly elderly passengers and crew members on the Diamond Princess line died, in both cases in confined spaces with minimal treatments available. These two examples represent to date the only controlled evidence of COVID-19 lethality, but there is additional solid evidence that Ioannides and others have marshalled to support the low mortality threat of COVID-19...

What explains the failure of scientists to stand up to the scientific bullying and quackery? Part of it may be timidity—after all, who dares question the grand poobahs at NIH like Dr. Fauci when to do so would almost certainly mean losing one’s scientific funding? Part of it may be the herd mentality, with our present graduate and postgraduate training with their long mentorships failing to develop truly rebellious and revolutionary scientific thinkers.

Part of it is the effect of big money spent on science research —over $500 billion in the U.S. alone, mostly from industry with strings attached. And part of it may be that way too many scientists nowadays are simply dishonest, self-promoting, and agenda-driven—far beyond the few percent that are officially accused of fraud...
https://principia-scientific.com/covid-the-wrecking-ball-to-scientific-integrity/
 

Aidan1

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Oops. I thought u were American with that hat on. The comment wasn't directed at you.
We can't do anything about the past or where we were born.
I was referring to the acceptance of murder whether by gas chamber or vaccine and the shadow of authoritarianism.
History repeating in a way

U support vaccines... But do u support them being forced? Even with the deaths and side effects and unknowns in the future?
Don't u think we should have the choice with our doctors without government intervention?

Doctor knows best, not government. My doctors tell me to stay away from it
I work since over 30 years in hospital. And I can tell you they dont know. Ask a surgeon about diabetic matters.
Sometimes you have 3 doctors with 4 meanings.
I would not trust to much in a doctors meaning.
Taking vaccine is always a risk. Driving a car is also a risk.
If you can safe life, you would risk something or not.
No vaccine in germany comes without proofing to the market.
In matter of an virus, where nobody knows how dangerous it will be, you cant make long time
So you accept vaccine deaths... Millions of them or thousands of them is no difference...
Its still murder when u call it safe and effective. There should be a warning, shouldn't there?

And why should i be forced to take such an experimental needle and risk my life when my chanced of surviving covid is 99.98%?
Where is my God given right to choose?
Again, where have you the numbers from? Till today much more people dies because of Covidinfection then from the vaccine.
And where i said it is safe? Biontec is 65% effectiv to the delta Mutation. But thats better then 0%.
In germany must everybody informed about the risks, before he can get the vaccine.

In your case you maby right. But there are millions of people who have an much higher risk to Die ore have serious health problems trough Covid then you.
Is your thinking not a little bit selfish?
Btw, maby you have without knowing an desease or an Disposition in you which makes the risk much higher then you imagine?
 

Aidan1

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People don't need anything man-made if they follow God's recipe.

All we need is a good properly working immune system - which is what God intended.

The only "medicine" God intended for us is that which is in a [truly] 'natural' form.

There are 'natural' antibiotics.

All of the things we (humans) have gotten vaccinations for happened because we (humans) "went against" the "proper way" that God intended for us.

I am not for [just] letting people die; however, I am for utilizing the 'natural' remedies that God provided for us to use - that which is based on good health - not that which is unnatural and "quick-fix" for only relieving symptoms while causing other problems instead of providing "real healing" by natural means.

These so-called "vaccines" do not utilize the proper 'natural' mechanisms that God provided in our immune system - but rather - do harm to it.
Then you have no idea about vaccines.
And as I said, the most people in this world have simply not the money for to get the natural resources.
Will you go 200 years back and let the people die. If they are not strong enough, it is their fault.
Is it not also our heavenly father who gives the knowledge to produce medicine, antibiotics, vaccines?
 

PennEd

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Then you have no idea about vaccines.
Asked this on a different thread.

Do you remember when everyone got the polio vaccine and then everyone still got polio anyway?


Me neither.

See that’s what a vaccine does. It makes you immune to the disease you inoculate against.
 

Aidan1

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COVID: The Wrecking Ball To Scientific Integrity
Most Americans have at least until now maintained faith in the integrity of our scientific establishment. But COVID-19 and the scientific malfeasance it has spawned may be the wrecking ball that tears down even that pillar of faith.

The litany of scientific sins committed in the name of COVID-19 fear-mongering includes but is not limited to the publishing of false data in a leading medical journal, the publication of intentionally misleading articles masking the laboratory origins of the SARS-2 coronavirus and the subsequent deliberate withholding of evidence to the contrary, the smearing of lauded scientists who have questioned the severity of COVID-19 and/or the treatability of the disease, and the arrogance of medical authorities such as Robert Fauci that now-validated criticism of him and the official COVID-19 narrative is “anti-science”.


The end result of all this is not merely academic, for hundreds of thousands of lives may have been lost and children not been born due to the scientific malfeasance.

One of the most egregious scientific acts was the article in Lancet in May of 2020—just when COVID-19 was ramping up—that argued that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, sold as Plaquenil) was both ineffective and dangerous in treating COVID-19 symptoms.[1]
This contradicted the fact that HCQ had been sold safely for decades to millions of people over-the-counter in many nations for anti-malarial and other purposes and that leading virologists were already using it effectively to treat early COVID-19 symptoms. By the time the bogus study was retracted, its results had already been trumpeted by the mainstream media and by leading health officials in their attacks on HCQ. Despite later meta-analyses indicating some treatment efficacy in the early stages of COVID,[2] the damage had already been inflicted. HCQ was pulled off the market in many nations and is still banned for treating COIVD-19 in many, such as Australia.


Equally damaging were the outrageous predictions of over 500,000 dead Britons and two million Americans due to COVID-19 by epidemiologist Neil Ferguson of Imperial College in London, who back-pedaled his predictions after his conclusion led to the draconian lockdowns that have so greatly damaged Western society.[3]

By contrast, an important study disputing the official COVID-19 narrative, such as Briand’s epidemiological one in the Johns Hopkins News-Letter that questioned the lethality and accuracy of COVID-19 statistics[4], was retracted by the university in an unprecedented act of scientific censorship.

Lancet later figured in another important repugnant scientific action—the publication of a letter signed by over two dozen scientists condemning speculation that the Wuhan version of the SARS coronavirus might have been created in a laboratory.[5] It was surreptitiously written by Peter Daszak, the very scientist conducting dangerous gain-of-function viral research that was banned in the United States and who was attempting to create synthetically souped-up versions of the coronavirus—in Wuhan itself...

Contrary to what much of the Western public believes, a large number of top medical professionals have questioned the severity of COVID-19, the advisability of lockdowns and masks, the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines, and restrictions on drugs such as HCQ and Ivermectin as treatments. Almost 60,000 medical practitioners and researchers have signed the Great Barrington Declaration, which rejects lockdowns and masks in favor tried-and-true herd immunity.[8]...

These prominent scientists and many others have been subjected to a litany of slanders and smears including monikers such as “witch-doctors” and “pseudoscientists”, removal from YouTube and other social media, misleading “fact-checking”, and attacks on Wikipedia sites in some cases. Some scientists have come to their defense,[9] but even some of those who rallied in public defense of these individuals have been smeared.

While most of the slander in the media has come from nonscientists in the media, academic colleagues and medical associations have occasionally joined in, as in the case of Yale faculty condemnation of Risch for his HCQ stand.[10]
But what is most disturbing is the larger scientific community’s deafening silence in defense of the scientists who opposed the official COVID-19 narrative.


Even more insidious is the notion that anyone who disagrees with the official COVID-19 narrative and policies is somehow “anti-science”. This arrogant view has been promulgated by Anthony Fauci on several occasions,[11] yet the great founders of modern science including Galileo, Descartes, and Newton emphasized the need for skepticism and humility in scientific thought.

Genuine scientists recognize that scientific orthodoxy is constantly being revised, that theories can never be proven, and scientific debate should never be silenced.

Most of the renowned scientists being denigrated are not being done so because of faulty data—after all, who can deny the low-lethality of COVID-19 when only one sailor of ~6000 on the USS Roosevelt presumably exposed to the coronavirus died or that only 14 of over 3700 mostly elderly passengers and crew members on the Diamond Princess line died, in both cases in confined spaces with minimal treatments available. These two examples represent to date the only controlled evidence of COVID-19 lethality, but there is additional solid evidence that Ioannides and others have marshalled to support the low mortality threat of COVID-19...

What explains the failure of scientists to stand up to the scientific bullying and quackery? Part of it may be timidity—after all, who dares question the grand poobahs at NIH like Dr. Fauci when to do so would almost certainly mean losing one’s scientific funding? Part of it may be the herd mentality, with our present graduate and postgraduate training with their long mentorships failing to develop truly rebellious and revolutionary scientific thinkers.

Part of it is the effect of big money spent on science research —over $500 billion in the U.S. alone, mostly from industry with strings attached. And part of it may be that way too many scientists nowadays are simply dishonest, self-promoting, and agenda-driven—far beyond the few percent that are officially accused of fraud...
https://principia-scientific.com/covid-the-wrecking-ball-to-scientific-integrity/
It is interesting that you claim to spread the truth from organisations which are known for false reports or conspiracy theories without proof. In case of PSI an wordly Organisation which denys creationism as serious and call it pseudosience.
 
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I work since over 30 years in hospital. And I can tell you they dont know. Ask a surgeon about diabetic matters.
Sometimes you have 3 doctors with 4 meanings.
I would not trust to much in a doctors meaning.
Taking vaccine is always a risk. Driving a car is also a risk.
If you can safe life, you would risk something or not.
No vaccine in germany comes without proofing to the market.
In matter of an virus, where nobody knows how dangerous it will be, you cant make long time

Again, where have you the numbers from? Till today much more people dies because of Covidinfection then from the vaccine.
And where i said it is safe? Biontec is 65% effectiv to the delta Mutation. But thats better then 0%.
In germany must everybody informed about the risks, before he can get the vaccine.

In your case you maby right. But there are millions of people who have an much higher risk to Die ore have serious health problems trough Covid then you.
Is your thinking not a little bit selfish?
Btw, maby you have without knowing an desease or an Disposition in you which makes the risk much higher then you imagine?
How is my thinking selfish?
I have two doctors advising me not to take the vaccine... Yet u would still rather vax me without knowing anything about my health...

I call your thinking Satanic...
Only Satan's agents would accept vaccine murder and push them onto people as safe and effective
 

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It is interesting that you claim to spread the truth from organisations which are known for false reports or conspiracy theories without proof. In case of PSI an wordly Organisation which denys creationism as serious and call it pseudosience.
Here is proof from just one Dr. He explains very well what the spike protein is doing in your body as we speak. Maybe this will convince you and others not to take any more of these toxins in "boosters". Listen to what he says, and THEN form an opinion. This guy, and countless other Drs warning about the vaccine gain NOTHING by saying this. In fact, they face danger for stating this information:

https://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2021/07/13/horrifying-news-8-minutes/
 
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This man accepts vax murder as a normal thing and wants to force vaccines against their doctors advise...
Nothing will turn this man his heart is cold as ice
 

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Aidan1

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How is my thinking selfish?
I have two doctors advising me not to take the vaccine... Yet u would still rather vax me without knowing anything about my health...

I call your thinking Satanic...
Only Satan's agents would accept vaccine murder and push them onto people as safe and effective
Maby you should read my post again. I have never said it is safe and effective. It is a risk like everything. And even 65% protection is better then 0%.
Selfish is if somemone thinks i will not get it to 99,8%, what cares me the others.
What you call me thinkind satanic ?
Btw, again my question where you have the numbers 20000 death in europe because of vaccine?
 
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Maby you should read my post again. I have never said it is safe and effective. It is a risk like everything. And even 65% protection is better then 0%.
The point I made was that it is being promoted as safe and effective... A lie by the government's and media... We should be told of the risks and we shouldn't be forced to take such a risk

Selfish is if somemone thinks i will not get it to 99,8%, what cares me the others
Your calling me selfish but you know nothing about my medical history...

The vaccine is a choice for me and my doctors. Not for you or the media or the government

What you call me thinkind satanic
Because u support vaccines being forced on people like me whose physicians have advised not to take.

God gave us the right to choose what goes into our bodies...
The evil one works to take away that God given right...

Btw, again my question where you have the numbers 20000 death in europe because of vaccine?
I don't think u answered any of my questions either. Besides, it won't change your rigid attitude...

In a way I can actually understand your bias because you are connected to the industry. But your acceptance of vaccine murderes and support of forcing an experimental syringe onto everyone still disgusts me...

Medication is a decision for my doctors and I... No one else... Any one who wants to intrude is abetting evil
 
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In Australia

Under 1,000 people died WITH covid including people in car accidents, suicides and other deaths...
The average age of deaths is over 85yo exceeding life expectancy.

According to the Therapeutic Goods Australia (TGA), there have been over 10 millions doses of the experimental syringe administrated....


There have been over 41,000 reports of adverse reactions after taking the needle and 400 deaths...

The TGA only links 6 deaths to the syringe which is total rubbish...
Same protocol should be used as with covid... They died after the vax, end of story.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) is one of the most common side effects...
Right now there are 25 people in hospital and 6 in ICU with TTS after receiving the experimental needle...
Thats more hospitalizations than covid at the moment...


Only a small percentage are being reported.
You can safely multiply by 10 and add another zero to those numbers


The experimental needle is clearly doing more damage here than covid... And with another 40 million doses required to vax the nation, its going to get worse... Much much worse

Link to the TGA
 

Aidan1

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How is my thinking selfish?
I have two doctors advising me not to take the vaccine... Yet u would still rather vax me without knowing anything about my health...

I call your thinking Satanic...
Only Satan's agents would accept vaccine murder and push them onto people as safe and effective
Maby you should read my post again. I have never said it is safe and effective. It is a risk like everything. And even 65% protection is better then 0%.
Selfish is if somemone thinks i will not get it to 99,8%, what cares me the others.
What you call me thinkind satanic ?
Btw, again my question where you have the numbers 20000 death in europe because of vaccine?
 

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Hannity eviscerates Fauci over new mask mandate considerations: 'So now we're supposed to ignore the science?'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-fauci-new-mask-mandate

"Two months ago, it was Joe Biden who proudly declared a policy of ‘vax or mask,’ the "Hannity" host said. "Well, now the CDC is considering a revised new, new, new policy of vaccination and a mask. How many more mixed messages will the American people be given? One mask, two masks, no mask, some mass, mask indoors and mask outdoors and maybe mask in perpetuity and now it is never mind what we said before?
 
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