I'm curious, since you claim Satan also has a gospel: what good news ever came from Satan?
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Don't think so, Jerry. The criteria as I understand it is that BOTH had to be true: good for food AND pleasant to the sight.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't good for food so it couldn't have been from God.
[Gen 2:17 KJV] 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
hmm well, there is nothing wrong with gathering fruit to eat as its necessary to feed ourselves, but the thing with Adam was he turned to blaming God for EVE because she unknowingly gave him the wrong fruit to eat.
It really was like he was blaming God for giving him Eve and he was treating her like his sole fruit picker.
If he had really picked his own fruit, maybe he would have said something like even recongised it and said hey Eve, thats actually the wrong fruit, dont eat it.
instead he said...nothing.
when eve was reaching for the fruit, she actually did question it. she was lied to and reassured by the serpent that is was ok, she want going to die. for Eve it wasnt an impulse grab without even thinking like it was for Adam.
anyway. That the forbidden fruit was poisonous doesnt seem to figure in how many christians, both men and women interpret the story. Its simply dismissed as an act of disobedience. that adam and eve were Gods children at first, and actually quite innocent, doesnt seem to matter. that they acted infuriatingly like children do is another.
If adam and eve had started to show symptoms and were like vomitting and curling up to die after they had eaten a few days later may have then. made it quite obvious they made the wrong choice. But God in his mercy, let them live. And even clothed them to hide their shame.
It really was like he was blaming God for giving him Eve and he was treating her like his sole fruit picker.
If he had really picked his own fruit, maybe he would have said something like even recongised it and said hey Eve, thats actually the wrong fruit, dont eat it.
instead he said...nothing.
when eve was reaching for the fruit, she actually did question it. she was lied to and reassured by the serpent that is was ok, she want going to die. for Eve it wasnt an impulse grab without even thinking like it was for Adam.
anyway. That the forbidden fruit was poisonous doesnt seem to figure in how many christians, both men and women interpret the story. Its simply dismissed as an act of disobedience. that adam and eve were Gods children at first, and actually quite innocent, doesnt seem to matter. that they acted infuriatingly like children do is another.
If adam and eve had started to show symptoms and were like vomitting and curling up to die after they had eaten a few days later may have then. made it quite obvious they made the wrong choice. But God in his mercy, let them live. And even clothed them to hide their shame.
Satan's gospel is one of works of law by us for salvation - which of course, can never give eternal life.
This is especially true for those who are not Christians. It is considered "good news" to those who are under it as
in their heart of hears, they love to find their righteousness in, and by, their works, believing themselves to be earning
righteousness with God.
huh, wonder where I got coriander from then...
isnt bread just a generic name for food, because actual bread needs time to make. it has to rise and be cooked/baked doesnt it or you would just be eating dough.
It was white like coriander seed... Exodus 16:31
so they gathered the manna THEN had to make it into bread? Bread also needs water and yeast or salt to make a dough first before it can be baked... it that im an expert at making manna but I have made bread before i know it just doesnt rain out of the sky or appear. It has to be baked.
Not like fruit which you can eat raw.
so they gathered the manna THEN had to make it into bread? Bread also needs water and yeast or salt to make a dough first before it can be baked... it that im an expert at making manna but I have made bread before i know it just doesnt rain out of the sky or appear. It has to be baked.
Not like fruit which you can eat raw.
"Gospel" means good news. Everything from Satan is bad news. The law was from God, not Satan. The law showed us our sinfulness, and required atoning sacrifices. But the law still did not save; salvation was and is only by God's grace through faith. We who are saved by God's grace through our faith in Jesus have God's moral law written on our hearts. We obey God's moral law because we are saved. Those that believe they can earn a place in heaven through good works are lost. We who are saved do our good works for the glory of God.
To those under Satan's gospel, it is perceived as good news. Besides that, if I'm understanding your post correctly, I would agree with some of what you wrote.
Only God creates, and nowhere in scripture is Satan given power to create outside of the ability God allows Satan to have, e.g., Satan allowed by God to persecute and inflict Job and kill his family, etc. Man can only reproduce; man is not able to create. The garden and all that was in it was God's creation, and the fruit of the Tree was both appealing to the sight and tasty. It was disobedience that brought about death, not the fruit, per se. Eating the fruit was the vehicle by which punishment was handed down for their disobedience.
There is no "Satan's gospel." Not sure where you ever came up with that idea, namely: that Satan has good news.
You appear as though you believe Satan and God are equal and opposite. That isn't so. Satan is a created being, created by God.
Oh no, definitely not! Satan was created. God was not. There can only be one God and I didn't mean to convey otherwise. However, Satan chose to rebel against God and tried to make himself equal with God. He was attempting to accomplish this in the Garden by
Adam's and Eve's eating of his fruit. Once they ate, this world and all who would ever be born came under his control. In fact, the unsaved, by trusting in their works, are worshipping Satan as god whether they realize it or not because they' follow his gospel.
* I should have included that they are under his control until and unless they become saved by Christ at which time
they are freed from it.
How did you come to the conclusion that I think Satan and God are equals? I don't find that, or anything close to that, in anything that I've posted
It was like coriander seed, white;" (Exodus 16:31)
So it was white like the coriander seed (see picture)
But tasted like honey.
And was bread.
Why does God need time to bake bread? lol. He created the stars with a word.
Often in the KJV when the generic "food" is spoken of, they say "meat". When they're talking about eating actual meat, they say "flesh". Like when Yahweh gave them "flesh" to eat in the evening (quail) and bread in the mornings (manna). According to the Strong's Concordance EVERY instance of the word "bread" is the Hebrew word lechem, which means literal bread or grain.
It was God's garden, God's trees, and God's fruit, not Satan's. Only God creates. It is scripturally unsound to call the tree of knowledge of good and evil and its fruit Satan's. Nowhere in scripture is it explicitly stated the tree and its fruit are Satan's, nor is it scripturally implied. God created the tree and commanded its fruit forbidden for God's purpose, and the only critical explanation for that can be that God gave man free will to be obedient and disobedient. The tree and its fruit, and God's command to man not to eat of it, was God's test of man's God-given free will.
Looking at the original Hebrew (with my husband because he's studied Hebrew), it could indicate that the manna/bread was either made WITH honey or FROM honey (or something similar). The preposition is ambiguous.
I think the coriander was meant to describe the color and, perhaps, the size. When it says "it was like", that's a simile. Comparing one thing to another (as I'm sure you're aware, being a librarian
). It doesn't mean it was literally coriander.I agree. I could never just snap my fingers and make bread rain from the sky. But then, I'm not God and am unable to make something from nothing.
I basically agree with all you said here.
However, how does any of this have anything to do with your accusation that Adam was lazy?
My kids blame each other all the time for random, stupid things but that doesn't equate to laziness. Their sin nature doesn't mean they have no work ethic. I imagine it was the same with Adam. He blamed Eve but still worked. Eve blamed the serpent, she still worked. Unless you believe that she was lazy, too, because she blamed an animal for her sin?
So I went back and read again and in Exodus 16:14 it says, "And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground."
So from what I can gather from the Bible, manna was a type of bread that tasted like honey. It was small, like coriander or hoar frost, and white.
Well, allow me to repost:
[Gen 2:9 KJV] 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
[Gen 2:17 KJV] 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So, God only made those trees which were pleasant to the sight and good for food, but, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't good for food. Ergo, God didn't make the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.