Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

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PennEd

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2. Bible tells that the mark of the beast is visible. So it cant be a vaccine or something what is given in through a vaccine.
Not saying the vaccine is the mark.

BUT…

You either made this up, or are interpreting something in Scripture that is absolutely not there.
3. A vaccine is something what is given to Motivation the body to create an antibody for to fight against f.e. a virus. So the vaccine against Sars-coV- 2 is a vaccine its motivates the body to build antibodys. You can accept it or not.
THIS gene therapy teaches your cells to replicate the spike protein associated with the ORIGINAL strain of the virus 🦠 when they created the gene therapy. But the problem is, it’s the spike protein ITSELF that is the toxin that will, and has, caused all manner of health issues and death.

4. Would the vaccine not be approved, it would not get the permission to vaccine IT.
In the HISTORY of vaccine approval, NO vaccine has ever been approved quicker than 4 years, and most, between 7 and 15 years.

5. You and others gave links to sides/organisations/ people which are known for rightradicalism, fake Informations and conspiracy theories.
This type of rationale is frankly quite stupid. ANYONE who has spoken out in defense of treatments such as Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquin, or especially those Drs and scientists that have spoken of the incredible dangers posed by the vaccine, have been persecuted in every way from being called conspiracy theorists, to having their practice canceled. They have ZERO incentive, except speaking truth to save lives.


Oh, and let’s not forget, you blatantly, provably, lied by saying you wouldn’t post in this thread again. Yeah. Let’s call it what it is. A lie.
 

Nehemiah6

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Oh, and let’s not forget, you blatantly, provably, lied by saying you wouldn’t post in this thread again. Yeah. Let’s call it what it is. A lie.
And there you have it. People who want to follow the deceitful mainstream narrative can simply ignore whatever opposes it.
 
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SophieT

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1. I never claimed to be a prophet
2. Bible tells that the mark of the beast is visible. So it cant be a vaccine or something what is given in through a vaccine.
3. A vaccine is something what is given to Motivation the body to create an antibody for to fight against f.e. a virus. So the vaccine against Sars-coV- 2 is a vaccine its motivates the body to build antibodys. You can accept it or not.
4. Would the vaccine not be approved, it would not get the permission to vaccine IT.
5. You and others gave links to sides/organisations/ people which are known for rightradicalism, fake Informations and conspiracy theories.
6. Nobody claimed that masks protect before the virus. BUT in combination with distance it reduces the ability to inhale the virus.
F.e. why masks are to wear during surgery, if it is useless?
7. According you then the people who got Sars-coV-2 should then die, rather then to get the vaccine.
at this point and because I understand you are just defending your own choices?

 

gb9

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1. I never claimed to be a prophet
2. Bible tells that the mark of the beast is visible. So it cant be a vaccine or something what is given in through a vaccine.
3. A vaccine is something what is given to Motivation the body to create an antibody for to fight against f.e. a virus. So the vaccine against Sars-coV- 2 is a vaccine its motivates the body to build antibodys. You can accept it or not.
4. Would the vaccine not be approved, it would not get the permission to vaccine IT.
5. You and others gave links to sides/organisations/ people which are known for rightradicalism, fake Informations and conspiracy theories.
6. Nobody claimed that masks protect before the virus. BUT in combination with distance it reduces the ability to inhale the virus.
F.e. why masks are to wear during surgery, if it is useless?
7. According you then the people who got Sars-coV-2 should then die, rather then to get the vaccine.
the f d a here in america has found the pcr test to be unreliable, as of late last week.

why?
it produced false positives.

so, there is that...
 

Nehemiah6

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How about the natural immune system that God put in our body...???
That was "cancelled" by WHO, FDA,CDC, NIH, NIAID, etc. and the whole medical establishment. It no longer exists for them. These rascals should have been arrested long ago, as well as all the tyrannical heads of state in the West.

But God has provided mankind with an amazing IMMUNE SYSTEM. Not just one organ but a whole system to fight bacterial and viral attacks. Did the compromised medical establishment educate the public about God-given immunity? Absolutely not.
 

Angela53510

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Angela,
I never thought the day would come when you would viciously attack a Christian for telling the truth! Shame on you. You are calling truth and facts "propaganda" because you yourself have believed all the lies.

And then to suggest that this thread should not have been "allowed" in the Family Forum as though you are now an anti-free-speech Nazi! The next thing you will suggest is that everyone who disagrees with you should be banned (or locked up).

So for those who have not been deceived by Satan, here is the reality of this COVID Scam:
Federal Lawsuit Seeks Immediate Halt Of COVID Vaccines
America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) filed a motion July 19, seeking immediate injunctive relief in Alabama Federal District Court to stop the use of Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) COVID vaccines — Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson (J&J) — for three groups of Americans.
According to a press release, AFLDS is asking to immediately stop administration of experimental COVID vaccines in anyone 18 and younger, all those who have recovered from COVID and acquired natural immunity, and every other American who has not received informed consent as defined by federal law.

https://principia-scientific.com/federal-lawsuit-seeks-immediate-halt-of-covid-vaccines/

What does "informed consent" mean? That the person administering the bogus vaccines must give FULL DISCLOSURE about all the adverse effects, as well as the very real possibility of immediate death! There are at least 15-20 adverse effects which are produced.

Since no one is going to give this kind of full disclosure, the lawsuit should have really called for a total ban on all COVID vaccines. There is more than enough evidence to prove that they are (1) totally useless (2) do not produce immunity, (3) are experimental, and (4) produce very serious adverse effects or death.

Sorry, but you have no science background at all! Constantly copying and pasting bad sources only confirms that the hoax is being perpetuated by people like you.

Take Principal-Scientific.com which you quote above as "proof" that you are right.

I read some articles on this web site, and became utterly convinced a good portion of what they publish is non- science, twisting, misusing numbers to support a hoax! And that hoax is this whole anti-vaccine scenario! Lies such as more people have been killed by the vaccine than the disease, which cannot be verified in any peer reviews journals, only in conspiracy based internet sites which use lies to push their false agenda.

Here's what one review says about your source!

"Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources."

Plain and simple, despite your utterly serious belief that the vaccine is a hoax and/or a conspiracy (if it is a hoax, then it is a flat out lie, and therefore cannot be a conspiracy, which requires a large body of evidence showing how it is a conspiracy.) no matter how sincere you are, or how much you believe and follow Christ, and believe and read the Bible, it does NOT make you an expert on anything scientific! It makes you a conspiracy theorist.

I truly do believe you love and follow Jesus. I don't agree with some of your doctrines, but I acknowledge that your doctrines have some verses that suggest you could be right. Although I feel my doctrines have more support. But I am not upset on these side issues, we differ!

BUT, when it comes to evaluating whether my idea that the vaccine has literally stopped many deaths, and reduced the huge and painful deaths from COVID. You bring up all kinds of utter nonsense like vaccines have killed more people than COVID.

Here is what the CDC actually says about deaths and other side effects.

"For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

1. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
2. Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

3. CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.

4. Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

5. Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

So, contrary to your nonsense, the number of deaths for all vaccines is found in the following quote.

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Angela53510

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[Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

6207 deaths from all vaccines in the US, out of 339,000,000 vaccines given! Or, the minuscule percentage of 0.0018% people have actually died from the vaccine!

"More than
610,000
people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.
More than 34,418,000 cases have been reported."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/

610 thousand people in the US died from COVID!! That means .010% died from the vaccine, compared to how many died of the actual virus!

Here is another link that says the same thing

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103185/cumulative-coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-by-day/

Here are world totals, I couldn't find a list of how many people world wide have died of the vaccine. Suffice it to say, it won't be over 4 million people.
"Coronavirus Death Toll
4,175,435 deaths
4,175,435 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of July 26, 2021, 07:54 GMT.

There are currently 194,847,558 confirmed cases in 220 countries and territories . The fatality rate is still being assessed."

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

The fact is, you are spreading lies about the vaccine. I'm delighted I had the vaccine. My damaged lungs, heart, and immuno- compromised body will have a much better chance at surviving painfully dying from COVID-19 the disease, than the vaccine could ever kill. That is what this is about, surviving and extinguishing the vaccine!

Nehemiah, I have posted here a full page refuting the lie that more people have died of the vaccine than actual COVID. Please stop repeating this lie, no matter how sincerely you believe. I would challenge you to look at some sources that are not the basis of the lies about the vaccine.

I will say, fear is driving people from getting vaccines. Fear spawned by these demonic, unverified websites. I have no fear of COVID. If I die, I know I will be with Jesus. I eagerly anticipate that day. If I don't get sick and die, because I have had 2 vaccines, then more time to spend with and watch my grandchildren grow up. And most important. More time to share the gospel with the list, visit the sick, and comfort the hurting.

You will never force me to believe getting the vaccine is wrong! The more we discuss this, the more solid I become in my belief that it is the anti-vaxers are believing a hoax!

Finally, Nehemiah, in no way have I ever attacked you. Instead, I have been exasperated that you are so wrong, and call it right. I am frustrated you keep posting untruths from unverified pop up conspiracy sites. You would never do that with a Bible question. The paranoia has infiltrated your very thought processes.

You think I am attacking you, because I point out your sources are bad and completely wrong. Your theory has little to no evidence. You have confused my faith with a science debate. This is NOT about being a Christian. Instead it is about 1 of the latest large conspiracy theories, which is also causing death from COVID, which is the end point of what the virus does! Deny the vaccine, and you are pushing death. How many people will die because you personally persuaded them to NOT to get the vaccine. It is something you will answer for in judgement day.

Take Principal-Scientific.com which you quote above as "proof" that you are right.

I read some articles on this web site, and became utterly convinced a good portion of what they publish is non- science, twisting, misusing numbers to support a hoax! And that hoax is this whole anti-vaccine scenario! Lies such as more people have been killed by the vaccine than the disease, which cannot be verified in any peer reviews journals, only in conspiracy based internet sites which use lies to push their false agenda.

Here's what one review says about your source!

"Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources."

Plain and simple, despite your utterly serious belief that the vaccine is a hoax and/or a conspiracy (if it is a hoax, then it is a flat out lie, and therefore cannot be a conspiracy, which requires a large body of evidence showing how it is a conspiracy.) no matter how sincere you are, or how much you believe and follow Christ, and believe and read the Bible, it does NOT make you an expert on anything scientific! It makes you a conspiracy theorist.

I truly do believe you love and follow Jesus. I don't agree with some of your doctrines, but I acknowledge that your doctrines have some verses that suggest you could be right. Although I feel my doctrines have more support. But I am not upset on these side issues, we differ! 2/3
 

Angela53510

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BUT, when it comes to evaluating whether my idea that the vaccine has literally stopped many deaths, and reduced the huge and painful deaths from COVID. You bring up all kinds of utter nonsense like vaccines have killed more people than COVID.

Here is what the CDC actually says about deaths and other side effects.

"For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

1. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
2. Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

3. CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.

4. Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

5. Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

So, contrary to your nonsense, the number of deaths for all vaccines is found in the following quote.

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Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

6207 deaths from all vaccines in the US, out of 339,000,000 vaccines given! Or, the minuscule percentage of 0.0018% people have actually died from the vaccine!

"More than
610,000
people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.
More than 34,418,000 cases have been reported."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/

610 thousand people in the US died from COVID!! That means .010% died from the vaccine, compared to how many died of the actual virus!

Here is another link that says the same thing

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103185/cumulative-coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-by-day/

Here are world totals, I couldn't find a list of how many people world wide have died of the vaccine. Suffice it to say, it won't be over 4 million people.
"Coronavirus Death Toll
4,175,435 deaths
4,175,435 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of July 26, 2021, 07:54 GMT.

There are currently 194,847,558 confirmed cases in 220 countries and territories . The fatality rate is still being assessed."

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

The fact is, you are spreading lies about the vaccine. I'm delighted I had the vaccine. My damaged lungs, heart, and immuno- compromised body will have a much better chance at surviving painfully dying from COVID-19 the disease, than the vaccine could ever kill. That is what this is about, surviving and extinguishing the COVID-19 virus!

Nehemiah, I posted a full page refuting the lie that more people have died of the vaccine than actual COVID. Please stop repeating this lie, no matter how sincerely you believe. I would challenge you to look at some sources that are not the basis of the lies about the vaccine.

I will say, fear is driving people from getting vaccines. Fear spawned by these demonic, unverified websites. I have no fear of COVID. If I die, I know I will be with Jesus. I eagerly anticipate that day. If I don't get sick and die, because I have had 2 vaccines, then more time to spend with and watch my grandchildren grow up. And most important. More time to share the gospel with the list, visit the sick, and comfort the hurting.

You will never force me to believe getting the vaccine is wrong! The more we discuss this, the more solid I become in my belief that it is the anti-vaxers are believing a hoax!

Finally, Nehemiah, in no way have I ever attacked you. Instead, I have been exasperated that you are so wrong, and call it right. I am frustrated you keep posting untruths from unverified pop up conspiracy sites. You would never do that with a Bible question. The paranoia has infiltrated your very thought processes.

You think I am attacking you, because I point out your sources are bad and completely wrong. Your theory has little to no evidence. You have confused my faith with a science debate. This is NOT about being a Christian. Instead it is about 1 of the latest large conspiracy theories, which is also causing death from COVID, which is the end point of what the virus does! Deny the vaccine, and you are pushing death. How many people will die because you personally persuaded them to NOT to get the vaccine. It is something you will answer for in judgement day. 3/3
 
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1930s...
The German public allows ethnic murder...

2021...
The world's public allows vaccine murder...

First they denied vaccine deaths now their accepting it...

This is a whole new low in the moral standard of our society...
 

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Given that no one is keeping score like they are with covid, it's a very fair extrapolation using the data we have. In Europe it's almost 20,000 reported deaths. It could be anywhere from 2 million deaths to over 20 million deaths worldwide that you are willing to ignore... Along with lockdown suicides and any other non covid related matter...

Add to the deaths the debilitating injuries and we have a dangerous experimental syringe that is being forced onto us against our will.

What do u say to the parents of a 20yo who dies from a vaccine after being told it was safe and effective with the manufacturer indemnified???
Where do you have the numbers from europe? From EMA? This databank collects all suspectet sideffects from all medicaments, also from the different vaccine against Sars-coV-2. The emphezising lays on SUSPECTET CASES. They dont proof it, only collect it.
So they cant say, are this reports true, or is the medicine realy the cause for the sideeffect. In the net are many false conclusions about the true number. Well in germany we have our of 40 000 000 full vaccined people around 870 died after vaccinatet. The most of them had several pre deseases. Germany has the most citizens in Europe.
So I hardly can support your numbers. Present are 91534 people died on covidinfection.
Your alternative then is to wait who will survive and who not?
 

Aidan1

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1930s...
The German public allows ethnic murder...

2021...
The world's public allows vaccine murder...

First they denied vaccine deaths now their accepting it...

This is a whole new low in the moral standard of our society...
Sorry to say. Who is sitting in glashouse should not wear with stones.
Look in your history about the native people in australia.
Again, what is your alternative to fight against Covid? Only damn something is easy.
 

gb9

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Sorry to say. Who is sitting in glashouse should not wear with stones.
Look in your history about the native people in australia.
Again, what is your alternative to fight against Covid? Only damn something is easy.

healthy immune system.
 
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Where do you have the numbers from europe? From EMA? This databank collects all suspectet sideffects from all medicaments, also from the different vaccine against Sars-coV-2. The emphezising lays on SUSPECTET CASES. They dont proof it, only collect it.
So they cant say, are this reports true, or is the medicine realy the cause for the sideeffect. In the net are many false conclusions about the true number. Well in germany we have our of 40 000 000 full vaccined people around 870 died after vaccinatet. The most of them had several pre deseases. Germany has the most citizens in Europe.
So I hardly can support your numbers. Present are 91534 people died on covidinfection.
Your alternative then is to wait who will survive and who not?
So you accept vaccine deaths... Millions of them or thousands of them is no difference...
Its still murder when u call it safe and effective. There should be a warning, shouldn't there?

And why should i be forced to take such an experimental needle and risk my life when my chanced of surviving covid is 99.98%?
Where is my God given right to choose?
 
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Sorry to say. Who is sitting in glashouse should not wear with stones.
Look in your history about the native people in australia.

Oops. I thought u were American with that hat on. The comment wasn't directed at you.
We can't do anything about the past or where we were born.
I was referring to the acceptance of murder whether by gas chamber or vaccine and the shadow of authoritarianism.
History repeating in a way

U support vaccines... But do u support them being forced? Even with the deaths and side effects and unknowns in the future?
Don't u think we should have the choice with our doctors without government intervention?

Doctor knows best, not government. My doctors tell me to stay away from it
 
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