We know from other scripture that Peter understood baptism to involve real water.
The Bible presents two kinds of "baptism". A real identification, such as the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and a ritual baptism, such as waster baptism, which is symbolic of one's faith in Christ and being identified with Christ.
Water baptisms are ALWAYS a ritual, which identify the person with something or someone.
He grew up Jewish, where they would use actual water to do a mikveh, a Jewish 'baptism' for ritual cleaning. John the Baptist baptized in a location that had much water, and baptized in actual water.
Yes, and all of it was ritual baptism. Not a real baptism.
Jesus was baptized in actual water.
Again, this was a ritual baptism (in literal water) that symbolized Jesus' identification with the Father's plan for Him.
If water baptism relates to being saved, then for sure Jesus didn't need it. So His baptism proves that water baptism isn't for salvation.
Jesus said to preach teach, and baptize nations. We can see how Peter interpreted and applied this in Acts 10-11, showing that he used real water to baptize.
Did you notice that the Holy Spirit had already come upon Cornelius' household and the Jews recognized that they were saved BEFORE they were water baptized.
In fact, they distinguished betweens water baptism and Spirit baptism.
Acts 11-
15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized withwater, but you will be baptized withthe Holy Spirit.’
17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Water is explicitly mentioned in the passage about baptizing the Ethiopian.
Every time we find water baptism, it is a RITUAL baptism, a symbol for an identification.
In the verses you mention, the water of the flood symbolizes baptism. It does not say that baptism is symbolic or that it is not in real water. The verse does not give any evidence for that interpretation.
Are you kidding?? The flood water killed humanity. Noah was saved FROM THE WATER by being in the ark, which was a picture of salvation IN Christ. The water had nothing to do with "baptism". But if you find a verse that mentions baptism in regard to the flood, please share. I've already explained how 1 Pet 3:20,21 doesn't link flood water with baptism.
If you want to see my point, let's examine 1 Cor 10-
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 They all ate the same spiritual food
4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
v.1 notes the reality. The "cloud" was the "Shekinah Glory" or the preincarnate Christ, guiding them through the desert.
v.2 is clear. Paul said they were ALL "baptized" INTO Moses IN the cloud and IN the sea.
So, let's think about this. Did any of the Israelites get immersed in the Red Sea? Uh, no. They in fact stayed on dry ground.
Ex 14:22 - and
the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
Yet, Paul said all of them were baptized in the sea. Since they didn't get wet, THIS is a real baptism. They were IDENTIFIED with or in the sea. They were SAFE (saved) from being drowned as the whole Egyptian army was drowned IN THE SEA. Yet, Paul never said the army was "baptized in the sea". It was the Israelites that were baptized in the sea, all the while staying bone dry.
You can offer not scripture to support your Quaker reinterpretation.
This is absurd. What do the highly unbiblical Quakers have to do with anything??
It doesn't stand up to the pattern in Acts either.
i've proven my position from Scripture. All you've done is find verses with water baptism and think you understand baptism.
Do you know how many DIFFERENT baptisms there are in Scripture? Please give me your list.
Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not the apostles.
Explain what it means for Jesus to "baptize with the Holy Spirit". And use Scripture.
Jesus told the eleven to baptize. They baptize in water.
That's right. It's SYMBOLIC for identifying themselves with faith in Christ.
Look in the Acts 10 account of the same events. Peter asked if any man could forbid water. These brothers were baptized in water in addition to being empowered by the Spirit.
Scroll above to see the explanation of Acts 10 found in ch 11.
Christians should experience both.
Every saved person is a Christian and HAS experienced Spirit baptism. It occurs WHEN one believes in Christ. At that MOMENT, they are identified with Christ and God's own possession. See Eph 1:13,14.
This is clear from Peter's references to water in the passage. Jesus sent Peter and others to teach the nations, so you should listen to their teaching on this topic.
I suggest you learn the DIFFERENCE between real and ritual baptisms. It's clear you do not.
Maybe it has the symbolic dimension in addition to the teaching of Paul in Colossians. But the Bible does not call baptism a symbol. The flood was a symbol/type of baptism. But it was also a real event.
This really shows that you do NOT understand the difference between real and ritual baptisms.
You have not shown any scripture to show that it is a symbol, much less only a symbol.
1 Pet 3:21 clearly shows this.
New International Version
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New Living Translation
And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Berean Study Bible
And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New American Standard Bible
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
NASB 1995
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you— not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience— through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
NASB 1977
And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Good News Translation
which was a symbol pointing to baptism, which now saves you. It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
International Standard Version
Baptism, which is symbolized by that water, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah,
New Heart English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the body, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
World English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
If you want to keep arguing about water baptism being a symbol, please take it up with the Greek scholars who translated the verse as above.
I am eager to see your list of the 7 biblical baptisms. Oh, and note the real ones and the ritual ones.
Then I'll know that you learned what baptism means.
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