Listen Newbie! The only troll on here is you! I've been in this forum for 10 1/2 years. You know nothing about this place. I am arguing what I know is the truth, although I call many people (who are condemning the vaccine with bad sources and statistics), my friends. As for you, we'll see how long you last.
This whole thread is just a nut case conspiracy theory, which should never have been allowed in the Family Forum. And the OP even mentioned his reasons why he posted it here, so it could convince more members to be anti-vax. IOW, he is try to spread his propaganda! And get more views than in the Conspiracy Forum.
Yet most of it is based on lies. I prefer to trust my doctors & my gov't (in Canada) although I would never trust Trudeau or vote for that loser in my life. (His dad was an evil communist - a card holding member of the communist party, before he realized he had a better chance at winning an election under the Liberal banner!)
I am sure most of the people in this forum who are anti-vaxers are sincere in their beliefs. But how can you get the true picture of any problem or situation, when you brag you never read or watch MSM or use scholarly sources like peer reviewed journals. Every scholar knows you need to look at all the sides and opinions, to reach your own conclusions. When I write a paper, I bring up views that disagree, and then refute them with other scholars & obviously I use the Bible to support me, and any kind of logic which points out other principles that support my view point. And I end up stronger for having read all sides of an issue & and I am able to defend my viewpoint, because I know all sides of a debate. When I was on the debate team in school, that is what we had to do. Defend both positions, to win both arguments while supporting them with facts. My
team won every debate in every competition we entered. It was a great learning experience, that no one here seems to understand.
This writing in big bolded letters, copy and pasting without a source and attacking the person, instead of debating the material, not picking on people you don't agree with, needs to stop to have less bitterness and anger in this forum.
As I said before, the COVID-19 vaccine is simply not a topic about, God, the Bible or walking with God. It doesn't lift up anyone, or encourage people to be more like the imago dei - the image of God in Christ Jesus.
There should be no debate on either side. If people do their due diligence, they will understand both sides of the issue. They can pick to have a vax, put it off till later, or never have a vax.
America is supposed to be free, but everyone here are trying to push people to agree with their decision. (Canada is a censored nation, I won't use it as an example.) Then they resort to as hominem attacks. That is hurtful, and accomplishes nothing!
All these freedom loving people come into this thread, not to tell what their personal decision is, and maybe why they made, without belittling the other side. It is unethical & certainly not Christian. Perhaps if we changed the topic, say it was on topic, then we could argue on a spiritual level. But vaccines causing people to lose their salvation OVER A NON-Religious topic is the height of paranoia and also stupidity.
Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices. I hate the constant propaganda from the governments and MSM. I hate that every time someone in my RA group says their doctor put them in Plaquenil, or HCQ, using the full name - Hydroxychloroquine FB posts a message saying this drug is not suitable for fighting COVID. This is the first medication given to almost all newly diagnosed people with Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have lots of people newly diagnosed in my forum and they always spell out the whole name for HCQ, and a giant post goes up from FB, after the OP, saying it should not be used for COVID! We are legally prescribed this drug by qualified specialists, because it is indicated for use for RA, and Malaria.
I am so sick of this discussion, but I stay, because no one should read this thread without someone countering all the lies and misinformation!
Have the vaccine if you want, or don't have it. We could end the discussion right now, if people would start doing this. But the anti-vaxers would be mad at the govt propaganda, and feel they need to share misinformation, to counter it.
I've had both vaccines, so have my husband and 3/4 of my children and their spouses have had it. My youngest son & his wife have not had the vaccine, because they want more peer reviewed studies to actually learn more about the vaccine and side effects before they take it. They might never get the vax, because more bad things come out. The various vaccines might end up being taken off the market, like Astra Zeneca in Europe. Or maybe it will be reviewed and then come off with certain targeted messages about the side effects.
I was. lucky, I had no reaction to the 2 vaccines, not even a sore arm. The rest of my family, including my 91 year old mother did well, except for a sore arm in the second shot.
I respect that people need to form their own opinions, and express them, because we have freedom of speech. That's the best way to stop fighting and name calling, IMHO!
PS I am not an anti-vaxer! I believe every person should take it. But never coerced, and not people who cannot have this vaccines because of other health issues.
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