Why be baptised?
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OP = "Why be {water} baptized?"
Precious friends, Before these questions can be brought out, THIS MUST
be answered First: Does God "Require" water baptism, Today, Under GRACE?
IF "yes," THEN ask the above; IF "NO," Then these questions are NOT necessary...
Scripture Disagrees With "using only ONE verse" {And that one from "God's
Transition Period From Law To GRACE!"}, To "Build Sound Doctrine!"
{Rule # 5 In Bible "study" Rules }...
God's Answer Of "NO!" According To ALL Of These Scriptures, Summarized, And,
According To "ALL The Profitable Scriptures," In the FULL "studies" below,
Absolutely VANQUISHES ALL the Confusion of water baptism, Into OBLIVION!!
{"Main Divider of denominations" poll} Amen?:
Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1_Corinthians_12:13 KJB!)
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FULL "studies" are here:
12 baptisms Rightly Divided From:
THE ONLY ONE Baptism For Today, Under GRACE!
Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
OP = "Why be {water} baptized?"
Precious friends, Before these questions can be brought out, THIS MUST
be answered First: Does God "Require" water baptism, Today, Under GRACE?
IF "yes," THEN ask the above; IF "NO," Then these questions are NOT necessary...
Scripture Disagrees With "using only ONE verse" {And that one from "God's
Transition Period From Law To GRACE!"}, To "Build Sound Doctrine!"
{Rule # 5 In Bible "study" Rules }...
God's Answer Of "NO!" According To ALL Of These Scriptures, Summarized, And,
According To "ALL The Profitable Scriptures," In the FULL "studies" below,
Absolutely VANQUISHES ALL the Confusion of water baptism, Into OBLIVION!!
{"Main Divider of denominations" poll} Amen?:
Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1_Corinthians_12:13 KJB!)
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FULL "studies" are here:
12 baptisms Rightly Divided From:
THE ONLY ONE Baptism For Today, Under GRACE!
Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
Umm you don’t set rules here, you have been challenged by the word of God and you wanted to obliterate it. The bible is the Final authority, your point actually has no verses for us to study, I gave one. Another thing, this is no longer a transition period from Law to grace. This is already a second missionary journey of Paul to the Corinth. Seems to me you are unrightly dividing the word.
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Grace: When Paul baptized Crispus and Gaius, how did he accomplish that?
Also, the elementary doctrine of “instruction about baptisms” (with repentance, faith toward God, the resurrection of the dead, eternal judgement, and the laying on of hands) includes what baptisms?
Please respond in complete sentences and not in the esoteric, cut and paste fashion of your previous replies.
Also, the elementary doctrine of “instruction about baptisms” (with repentance, faith toward God, the resurrection of the dead, eternal judgement, and the laying on of hands) includes what baptisms?
Please respond in complete sentences and not in the esoteric, cut and paste fashion of your previous replies.
? what do call THESE THIRTY-TWO verses?? Ignore and NOT "to study"???:
Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1_Corinthians_12:13 KJB!)
Much love!
Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1_Corinthians_12:13 KJB!)
Much love!
Yea, agree, this is elementary, basic doctrine. Thanks for pointing this out.
Hebrews 6:1-2
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:1-2
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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Correct, I didn't "set any rule," simply pointed out What God Has WRITTEN:
(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :
(5a) “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little!”
(Isaiah 28:10 KJB!)
Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :
”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJB!)
(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
Specific doctrine! :
“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
(1 Corinthians 2:13 KJB!)
{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}
If you wish to "have your doctrine" with ONE verse, then that's between you
And God, eh?
(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :
(5a) “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little!”
(Isaiah 28:10 KJB!)
Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :
”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJB!)
(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
Specific doctrine! :
“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
(1 Corinthians 2:13 KJB!)
{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}
If you wish to "have your doctrine" with ONE verse, then that's between you
And God, eh?
You will have to take that one up with James, because he told Paul, in:
Acts 21:20-21:
And when they heard it, they glorified The Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Acts 28:24-29:
And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
►►►28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation
of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. ◄◄◄
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Rom 11:6 And if by GRACE, then is it no more of works: otherwise GRACE is no more GRACE. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: {GRACE "apostle" Acts 20:24 KJB!}
Thus, God's Transition from law To GRACE Ended In Acts 28:28,
not 18:18/or before...
Acts 21:20-21:
And when they heard it, they glorified The Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Acts 28:24-29:
And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
►►►28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation
of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. ◄◄◄
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Rom 11:6 And if by GRACE, then is it no more of works: otherwise GRACE is no more GRACE. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: {GRACE "apostle" Acts 20:24 KJB!}
Thus, God's Transition from law To GRACE Ended In Acts 28:28,
not 18:18/or before...
So, "cut and paste" Scriptures presented in posts #30 and #31 are suitable to you, or not, being esoteric? Would esoteric then mean that Most are still Confused
about the milk Of water baptism?
I didn't realize that I had to learn new meanings of words such as esoteric in
order to discuss God's Bible Doctrines...
about the milk Of water baptism?
I didn't realize that I had to learn new meanings of words such as esoteric in
order to discuss God's Bible Doctrines...
Correct. One could go a step further and say that it is a commandment of Christ, not an option. Peter commanded the first group of Gentiles after Pentecost to be baptized immediately. And as we note throughout the book of Acts, baptism followed conversion immediately or almost immediately. Why? Because it is a critical first step in the sanctification of the believer.
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This is a good one for hyper-dispensationalist.
►►28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation
of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. ◄◄◄
Yes, in Acts 18:8 The Corinthians (Gentiles) hearing believed and were baptized...you speak about the Jews, well, the gospel of grace, the gospel of Christ will always to the Jew first Romans 1:16. James is regarded as Apostle to the Jews like Peter, but this is not the issue here. You forgot that as of Acts 18:18 the event was Paul preaching to Corinth and your system cannot harmonize with the Bible.. When Paul wrote the "church of God at Corinth" 1 Cor. 1:2, he talked about the grace of God which is given 1 Cor. 1:4, he is not certainly talking about Jews.
►►28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation
of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. ◄◄◄
Yes, in Acts 18:8 The Corinthians (Gentiles) hearing believed and were baptized...you speak about the Jews, well, the gospel of grace, the gospel of Christ will always to the Jew first Romans 1:16. James is regarded as Apostle to the Jews like Peter, but this is not the issue here. You forgot that as of Acts 18:18 the event was Paul preaching to Corinth and your system cannot harmonize with the Bible.. When Paul wrote the "church of God at Corinth" 1 Cor. 1:2, he talked about the grace of God which is given 1 Cor. 1:4, he is not certainly talking about Jews.
"we should be baptized because we are told to once we believe"?
Precious friend, I love your postings on the end-times eschatology, And, Even
More Important, your article on WHAT DOES PENAL SUBSTITUTION MEAN?
The "FULL picture about The SACRIFICE of Christ." So, I have questions about baptismal theology to Also get "the FULL picture." Hope you can help:
(1) IF it is a "critical FIRST step," then do we not have the right to
know Exactly WHAT does water baptism MEAN, According To God?
(2) IF it IS a commandment, and NOT "an option," then it seems to me,
then it would mean, "it IS necessary" for salvation. WHAT did I miss?
(3) IF (2) is true, then seems to me, that would "be a match" for James'
"faith WITHOUT works is DEAD," and would then be "a LIVING faith," but:
(4) It would Also Contradict {which MANY seemed to be Confused about},
Paul's "we Are SAVED By GRACE Through faith!"
Many More questions are in the queue, so, I'll quit here...what think ye?
Precious friend, I love your postings on the end-times eschatology, And, Even
More Important, your article on WHAT DOES PENAL SUBSTITUTION MEAN?
The "FULL picture about The SACRIFICE of Christ." So, I have questions about baptismal theology to Also get "the FULL picture." Hope you can help:
(1) IF it is a "critical FIRST step," then do we not have the right to
know Exactly WHAT does water baptism MEAN, According To God?
(2) IF it IS a commandment, and NOT "an option," then it seems to me,
then it would mean, "it IS necessary" for salvation. WHAT did I miss?
(3) IF (2) is true, then seems to me, that would "be a match" for James'
"faith WITHOUT works is DEAD," and would then be "a LIVING faith," but:
(4) It would Also Contradict {which MANY seemed to be Confused about},
Paul's "we Are SAVED By GRACE Through faith!"
Many More questions are in the queue, so, I'll quit here...what think ye?
Thanks for your kind words. I will respond along with the Scriptures.
Regarding His own baptism, Jesus said it was to "fulfill all righteousness". So God sees water baptism as a righteous act. But Paul gives us -- by divine inspiration -- the spiritual meaning of baptism:
ROMANS 6: THE SPIRITUAL MEANING OF BAPTISM
A. BELIEVERS ARE TO RECKON THEMSELVES DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE TO GOD
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?...
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin... 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
B. BELIEVERS ARE SPIRITUAL PARTAKERS OF CHRIST'S DEATH
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
C. BAPTISM BY IMMERSION IS SYMBOLIC OF DEATH TO "THE OLD MAN"
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
D. BELIEVERS ARE RAISED AT BAPTISM TO WALK IN "NEWNESS OF LIFE"
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
E. BELIEVERS ARE GUARANTEED RESURRECTION AND LIFE WITH CHRIST
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over Him. 10 For in that He died, He died unto sin once: but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, receive Him as both Lord (Master) and Savior. Therefore obedience to Christ is necessary for every disciple. The first step of obedience is baptism according to His commandment in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:15,16: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost... And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. [Note: even though it appears here that baptism is for salvation, other passages show that that is not the case. However Christ joined believing and baptism together to ensure that those who believe are also baptized immediately in obedience to Him. But we are justified (saved) by grace through faith.]
Yes. One could call baptism a work of righteousness, demonstrating a genuine living faith.
There would be no contradiction if Christians rememberd to read and digest Ephesians 2:10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Good works do not save, but clearly demonstrate that salvation is a reality.
Regarding His own baptism, Jesus said it was to "fulfill all righteousness". So God sees water baptism as a righteous act. But Paul gives us -- by divine inspiration -- the spiritual meaning of baptism:
ROMANS 6: THE SPIRITUAL MEANING OF BAPTISM
A. BELIEVERS ARE TO RECKON THEMSELVES DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE TO GOD
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?...
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin... 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
B. BELIEVERS ARE SPIRITUAL PARTAKERS OF CHRIST'S DEATH
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
C. BAPTISM BY IMMERSION IS SYMBOLIC OF DEATH TO "THE OLD MAN"
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
D. BELIEVERS ARE RAISED AT BAPTISM TO WALK IN "NEWNESS OF LIFE"
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
E. BELIEVERS ARE GUARANTEED RESURRECTION AND LIFE WITH CHRIST
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over Him. 10 For in that He died, He died unto sin once: but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, receive Him as both Lord (Master) and Savior. Therefore obedience to Christ is necessary for every disciple. The first step of obedience is baptism according to His commandment in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:15,16: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost... And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. [Note: even though it appears here that baptism is for salvation, other passages show that that is not the case. However Christ joined believing and baptism together to ensure that those who believe are also baptized immediately in obedience to Him. But we are justified (saved) by grace through faith.]
Yes. One could call baptism a work of righteousness, demonstrating a genuine living faith.
There would be no contradiction if Christians rememberd to read and digest Ephesians 2:10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Good works do not save, but clearly demonstrate that salvation is a reality.
Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
The end verse of Acts 28 teaches Paul preaches the kingdom of God hence this includes the baptism of water. He only continues what has begun and commanded by Christ himself, Matthew 3:16; Matthew 28:18-20
31Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
The end verse of Acts 28 teaches Paul preaches the kingdom of God hence this includes the baptism of water. He only continues what has begun and commanded by Christ himself, Matthew 3:16; Matthew 28:18-20