Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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Right so let's recap then:
1) The Temple has been destroyed but Daniel knows it must be rebuilt
2) He asks and receives a reply from God regarding this and other matters
3) He is told there are 70 heptads of prophetic time on the Jerusalem and Israel to enact certain things including the anointing of the Holy of Holies
4) He is told that a Command will go out to rebuild the Temple which is the starting point of the 70 heptads
[The Temple is duly rebuilt within 21 years - in the sixth year of King Darius.]
5) The temple will be destroyed in the 70th heptad
So we see the Temple rebuilt and then destroyed.
But you are saying that the Temple is rebuilt, then destroyed, then rebuilt and then destroyed again, and that in this second reconstruction, the Holy of Holies will be anointed, an event which nonetheless did not happen with the First rebuilding..................
1) The Temple has been destroyed but Daniel knows it must be rebuilt
2) He asks and receives a reply from God regarding this and other matters
3) He is told there are 70 heptads of prophetic time on the Jerusalem and Israel to enact certain things including the anointing of the Holy of Holies
4) He is told that a Command will go out to rebuild the Temple which is the starting point of the 70 heptads
[The Temple is duly rebuilt within 21 years - in the sixth year of King Darius.]
5) The temple will be destroyed in the 70th heptad
So we see the Temple rebuilt and then destroyed.
But you are saying that the Temple is rebuilt, then destroyed, then rebuilt and then destroyed again, and that in this second reconstruction, the Holy of Holies will be anointed, an event which nonetheless did not happen with the First rebuilding..................
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There was no temple in Daniels day. So in any interpretation. Daniel understand a temple must be rebuilt
Daniels prayer is for his people and his city
Dan 9: 16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake [cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”
He said at the end of 70 heptads. Those things WILL be accomplished.
He never said anything about maybe they will be.. or that Israel must do something.
He never said anything About the temple. He said the command to restore the CITY. This command was not given until Nehemiah 2, when Nehemiah requested to the king to allow him to go and rebuild the CITY, and Artexerxes gave the command.
Neh 2: 4 Then the king said to me, “What do you request?” So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”
Far to many people take the command to rebuild the temple as the starting date. And in doing so. Get it wrong.
The temple is destroyed about 4 decades after the 69th heptad. So I am not sure what your saying here
Are you saying the temple was not destroyed?
I never said it would be DESTROYED AGAIN! Those are you words not mine
Again you need to learn how to discern what people are saying
Daniels prayer is for his people and his city
Dan 9: 16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake [cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”
He said at the end of 70 heptads. Those things WILL be accomplished.
He never said anything about maybe they will be.. or that Israel must do something.
He never said anything About the temple. He said the command to restore the CITY. This command was not given until Nehemiah 2, when Nehemiah requested to the king to allow him to go and rebuild the CITY, and Artexerxes gave the command.
Neh 2: 4 Then the king said to me, “What do you request?” So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”
Far to many people take the command to rebuild the temple as the starting date. And in doing so. Get it wrong.
The temple is destroyed about 4 decades after the 69th heptad. So I am not sure what your saying here
Are you saying the temple was not destroyed?
I never said it would be DESTROYED AGAIN! Those are you words not mine
Again you need to learn how to discern what people are saying
"FROM" and "UNTO the Messiah prince" is "7 Weeks [/Sevens] and 62 Weeks [/Sevens]"... AFTER which is the "CUT OFF" thing (re: Him)... and then the 70ad things are next in the SEQUENCE [/passage]... and the text still hasn't yet come to the "FOR ONE WEEK [7 years]" part, see... It's a SEQUENTIAL passage (agreeing with all other passages on this Subject, in THIS SAME SEQUENCE, elsewhere in Scripture 
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So for you this is between the 69th and 70th weeks
The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
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I get it
You misrepresent me
Instead of repenting, and admitting you made a mistake. and asking for clarification of what I really said, you block me when I call you out for it
You make conversation impossible when you fail to understand what the other person said. and keep insisting he said it
I NEVER SAID THE SECOND TEMPLE WILL BE DESTROYED.
You can hide all you want. But when you accuse someone of saying something they never said and refuse to see what was really said. then run. It just makes you look bad
You misrepresent me
Instead of repenting, and admitting you made a mistake. and asking for clarification of what I really said, you block me when I call you out for it
You make conversation impossible when you fail to understand what the other person said. and keep insisting he said it
I NEVER SAID THE SECOND TEMPLE WILL BE DESTROYED.
You can hide all you want. But when you accuse someone of saying something they never said and refuse to see what was really said. then run. It just makes you look bad
Just thought I would add this....
Isa 34:1-4
1Come near, you nations, to hear;
And heed, you people!
Let the earth hear, and all that is in it,
The world and all things that come forth from it.
2For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has given them over to the slaughter.
3Also their slain shall be thrown out;
Their stench shall rise from their corpses,
And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree
Isa 35
1The wilderness and the wasteland shall be glad for them,
And the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose;
2It shall blossom abundantly and rejoice,
Even with joy and singing.
The glory of Lebanon shall be given to it,
The excellence of Carmel and Sharon.
They shall see the glory of the Lord,
The excellency of our God.
3Strengthen the [c]weak hands,
And make firm the [d]feeble knees.
4Say to those who are fearful-hearted,
“Be strong, do not fear!
Behold, your God will come with vengeance,
With the recompense of God;
He will come and save you.”
5Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6Then the lame shall leap like a deer,
And the tongue of the dumb sing.
For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness,
And streams in the desert.
7The parched ground shall become a pool,
And the thirsty land springs of water;
In the habitation of jackals, where each lay,
There shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
8A highway shall be there, and a road,
And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness.
The unclean shall not pass over it,
But it shall be for others.
Whoever walks the road, although a fool,
Shall not go astray.
9No lion shall be there,
Nor shall any ravenous beast go up on it;
It shall not be found there.
But the redeemed shall walk there,
10And the ransomed of the Lord shall return,
And come to Zion with singing,
With everlasting joy on their heads.
They shall obtain joy and gladness,
And sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
Isa 34:1-4
1Come near, you nations, to hear;
And heed, you people!
Let the earth hear, and all that is in it,
The world and all things that come forth from it.
2For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations,
And His fury against all their armies;
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has given them over to the slaughter.
3Also their slain shall be thrown out;
Their stench shall rise from their corpses,
And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree
Isa 35
1The wilderness and the wasteland shall be glad for them,
And the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose;
2It shall blossom abundantly and rejoice,
Even with joy and singing.
The glory of Lebanon shall be given to it,
The excellence of Carmel and Sharon.
They shall see the glory of the Lord,
The excellency of our God.
3Strengthen the [c]weak hands,
And make firm the [d]feeble knees.
4Say to those who are fearful-hearted,
“Be strong, do not fear!
Behold, your God will come with vengeance,
With the recompense of God;
He will come and save you.”
5Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6Then the lame shall leap like a deer,
And the tongue of the dumb sing.
For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness,
And streams in the desert.
7The parched ground shall become a pool,
And the thirsty land springs of water;
In the habitation of jackals, where each lay,
There shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
8A highway shall be there, and a road,
And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness.
The unclean shall not pass over it,
But it shall be for others.
Whoever walks the road, although a fool,
Shall not go astray.
9No lion shall be there,
Nor shall any ravenous beast go up on it;
It shall not be found there.
But the redeemed shall walk there,
10And the ransomed of the Lord shall return,
And come to Zion with singing,
With everlasting joy on their heads.
They shall obtain joy and gladness,
And sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
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an abomination of desolation is an unclean thing or idol placed in a holy place rendering it desolate. or unclean.
Its not the same as destruction.,
the temple is not destroyed. its rendered unclean.
Hence his ,misunderstanding, But instead of clarifying to make sure he understood me. He would rather blame shift and mock me
its on him. not me.
Its not the same as destruction.,
the temple is not destroyed. its rendered unclean.
Hence his ,misunderstanding, But instead of clarifying to make sure he understood me. He would rather blame shift and mock me
its on him. not me.
Luke 1.54 He has helped his servant Israel remembering to be merciful 55 to Abraham and his descendants forever, just as he promised our ancestors.”
Rom 15.8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed.
The idea that Jesus came to confirm the promises God made to the Patriarchs is completely sensible, and is very Scriptural. It may be debatable what Dan 9.27 means. But the idea that Christ "confirmed" the Abrahamic promises is completely sensible!
Dan 9.27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’
What this means to me is that Messiah would complete the 70 Weeks prophecy by bringing about a confirmation of the Abrahamic Covenant at some point within the 70th Week. He did this when he was "cut off' and brought an end to offerings under the Law, completing all that was necessary for Israel's salvation. And this took place in the middle of the Week. That is, the 70th Week was completed as only a Half-Week.
Rom 15.8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed.
The idea that Jesus came to confirm the promises God made to the Patriarchs is completely sensible, and is very Scriptural. It may be debatable what Dan 9.27 means. But the idea that Christ "confirmed" the Abrahamic promises is completely sensible!
Dan 9.27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’
What this means to me is that Messiah would complete the 70 Weeks prophecy by bringing about a confirmation of the Abrahamic Covenant at some point within the 70th Week. He did this when he was "cut off' and brought an end to offerings under the Law, completing all that was necessary for Israel's salvation. And this took place in the middle of the Week. That is, the 70th Week was completed as only a Half-Week.
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Luke 12-24 is in fact unique in the trilogy of Matt 24 and Mark 13. How people can fail to apprehend the stark differences (and the significance thereof) is utterly inconceivable to me.
Likewise advocating Preterism has one begging for substantially biblical cogent rational arguments (being so profoundly absurd) and leaves one bewildered by its affiliates despite its paucity and vacuousness.
Likewise advocating Preterism has one begging for substantially biblical cogent rational arguments (being so profoundly absurd) and leaves one bewildered by its affiliates despite its paucity and vacuousness.
