Abraham - Why Is He Our Father Of Faith

[2ndTimothyGroup]

This is incredibly important: Who can share with us, from Scripture, what it was that happened to Abraham that would fully explain why he is our Father of Faith?

Written in another way: Are there any Biblical passages that tell us, exactly, what it is about His Faith that is qualifiable for Eternal Life?

 

[JaumeJ]

Is kDavid Jesus? Is David's father, Jesse our Redeemer?

David means beloved and oft times it refers to Jesus Yeshua in prophecy.
Jesse, or Yeshi, may be translated as My Redeemer, however the father of David is not our Redeemer, but the kFather of Jesus Yeshua is our Redeemeer, for He declares this and much more in the OT

What does this have to do with Abram. The Father changed his name to Abraham and Abrahame is theFather Ruler of Peoples.

Now our Savior, Jesus Yeshua, waent to the extent of calling us children of Abraham, so Who do you suppose His reference is?
Of course the Abraham of the forefathers is symbolically the father of all with faith, but the Abraham of prophecy is referencing the Father of all for eternity.

We truly are of the faith of Abraham, fellow heirs with Israel...........

 

[Dino246]

This is incredibly important: Who can share with us, from Scripture, what it was that happened to Abraham that would fully explain why he is our Father of Faith?

Since it is your thesis, it’s appropriate for you to explain it.

 

[Blik]

Abraham is not the Father of our faith, the Father is God the Father. I don't think there is so much one or two scriptures that tell us this, it is a matter of studying the word.

It was over 1,500 years that God was the God of all mankind before the flood, but man had forgotten about God and God gave a flood to start over with man with Noah. Noah then was the father of all for almost 500 years when God started over again with Abraham. It is not Abraham we are to see as our Father, he was simply a man God used to show himself to a fallen world. It is God we are to see as our only Father.

If we see what God spoke to Abraham about as only for Abraham we are missing the point of why the Hebrew race was created. The Hebrew race was created because of God's love for all His creation and wanting all creation to live eternally with him and not deny him with idols.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Abraham is not the Father of our faith, the Father is God the Father. I don't think there is so much one or two scriptures that tell us this, it is a matter of studying the word.

It was over 1,500 years that God was the God of all mankind before the flood, but man had forgotten about God and God gave a flood to start over with man with Noah. Noah then was the father of all for almost 500 years when God started over again with Abraham. It is not Abraham we are to see as our Father, he was simply a man God used to show himself to a fallen world. It is God we are to see as our only Father.

If we see what God spoke to Abraham about as only for Abraham we are missing the point of why the Hebrew race was created. The Hebrew race was created because of God's love for all His creation and wanting all creation to live eternally with him and not deny him with idols.

I use more than one translation. What translation do you use?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Is kDavid Jesus? Is David's father, Jesse our Redeemer?

David means beloved and oft times it refers to Jesus Yeshua in prophecy.
Jesse, or Yeshi, may be translated as My Redeemer, however the father of David is not our Redeemer, but the kFather of Jesus Yeshua is our Redeemeer, for He declares this and much more in the OT

What does this have to do with Abram. The Father changed his name to Abraham and Abrahame is theFather Ruler of Peoples.

Now our Savior, Jesus Yeshua, waent to the extent of calling us children of Abraham, so Who do you suppose His reference is?
Of course the Abraham of the forefathers is symbolically the father of all with faith, but the Abraham of prophecy is referencing the Father of all for eternity.

We truly are of the faith of Abraham, fellow heirs with Israel...........

What happened to Abraham that caused Paul to teach us that we are to have a Faith like his, Abraham's? Point to Scripture . . . this is very important.

 

[Blik]

I use more than one translation. What translation do you use?

I use many translations and compare them, sometimes checking on the original Hebrew. Are you saying you don't believe that what I say is from scripture? If so, what of my statements of what scripture tells me do you think is not in scripture?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I use many translations and compare them, sometimes checking on the original Hebrew. Are you saying you don't believe that what I say is from scripture? If so, what of my statements of what scripture tells me do you think is not in scripture?

I'm not interested in playing games with you.

You say that you use many different translations. Do you disregard the NLT?

Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."

 

[Gideon300]

This is incredibly important: Who can share with us, from Scripture, what it was that happened to Abraham that would fully explain why he is our Father of Faith?

Written in another way: Are there any Biblical passages that tell us, exactly, what it is about His Faith that is qualifiable for Eternal Life?

"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." This is first stated in Genesis 15:6. Abraham did nothing to be declared righteous. There was no law to obey (or not). He was justified by faith. This is quoted in Romans, Galatians and by James.

John 6: 28 & 29
28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29 Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

The word translated "in" is a strong word in Greek. It is not a passive mental agreement to facts. Those who truly believed Jesus became His disciples.

Faith is spiritual eyesight. Abraham knew God, not just knew about God. Hebrews 11:1 (Darby)
Now faith is [the] substantiating of things hoped for, [the] conviction of things not seen.

Watchman Nee puts it like this. We have physical eyes to substantiate the physical world. We appreciate colours, a sunset or works of art. Try describing a sunset to a man born blind. He will hear the words but they mean nothing.

There is natural faith that gets us along in the world. God's kind of faith is spiritual, not natural. It enables us to see past the natural and believe God because He says so. God revealed His plan and purpose for humanity to Abraham. Abraham believed God, to the point that he was willing to sacrifice Isaac.

I believe there is a tremendous principle at work with the great men of faith. Job suffered unjustly without cursing God. So Lord Jesus suffered unjustly for the sake of men. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son. So God also allowed His only Son to be sacrificed. Moses was willing to be accursed that Israel could go free. So Lord Jesus was made to be a curse for fallen humanity. Men such as these are rare and precious to God. They are a great example to us.

 

[soberxp]

This is incredibly important: Who can share with us, from Scripture, what it was that happened to Abraham that would fully explain why he is our Father of Faith?

Written in another way: Are there any Biblical passages that tell us, exactly, what it is about His Faith that is qualifiable for Eternal Life?

My understanding about Abraham is submit to God， No doubt ，No question .

 

[p_rehbein]

This is incredibly important: Who can share with us, from Scripture, what it was that happened to Abraham that would fully explain why he is our Father of Faith?

Written in another way: Are there any Biblical passages that tell us, exactly, what it is about His Faith that is qualifiable for Eternal Life?

I do not consider Abram to be my Father of faith. As I read my KJV, I find this:

Ephesians, Chapter 2:

8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I believe God the Father is the Father of my faith.......

 

[Ahwatukee]

I do not consider Abram to be my Father of faith. As I read my KJV, I find this:

Ephesians, Chapter 2:

8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I believe God the Father is the Father of my faith.......

Hi P_rehbein,

"Now the words “it was credited to him” were written not only for Abraham, but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited—for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."

This is what God meant when He said to Abraham "I will make you the Father of all nations."

When have faith in the One who raised Jesus from the dead, we are having the same faith as Abraham and are thereby credited with righteousness.

 

[JaumeJ]

What happened to Abraham that caused Paul to teach us that we are to have a Faith like his, Abraham's? Point to Scripture . . . this is very important.

Forgive me, but I have never said our faith is given us by Abraham. It seems you did not read my post well. The true Abraham in many mentions in the Word is actually the Father in Heaven. Yes, we are of the faith of Abraham, but this is by no means saying the man gave anyone faith.
As per numbers of chapter and verse,, you are free to read the Biblewhich you are discussing by yourself guided by the Holy Spirit. Otherwide you seem to be more conscerned about the written code and dnot the spirit when you dialogue with others..

 

[Blik]

I'm not interested in playing games with you.

You say that you use many different translations. Do you disregard the NLT?

Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."

You are right. But I am also right. Noah is also a Father to those who believe.

My reason for my post is to put out the idea for all to think about that when God created the Hebrew race and spoke to them instead of speaking to the idol worshiping nations, God did this with love for those gentiles. God kept reminding Hebrews to include any gentiles when God gave them eternal principles, they were for the gentiles as well as the Hebrews God kept telling them.

When God told us we were Abraham's, God was telling us gentiles who accepting God were as precious to Him as the Hebrews were.

The Hebrews were the only nation that accepted the Lord t that time. Now Jesus and Paul has opened up God for us all, but God has always wanted the gentiles to he his people, not just the Hebrews.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Using Scripture, below is precisely what happened to Abraham that would cause him to be the Father, or Model of our Faith. We’ll add Abraham’s name to the text so that the idea is clear.

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on Abraham, and he will be clean. Abraham’s filth will be washed away, and he will no longer worship idols. And I will give Abraham a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within him. I will take out Abraham’s stony, stubborn heart and give him a tender, responsive heart. And I will put my Spirit within Abraham so that he will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations.”

Why are we as Christians wondering what it was that happened to the likes of Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, and even Saul (later renamed as Paul)? Why aren’t we trying to figure out and understand what our Faith of today is supposed to be a reflection of the Faith of the Patriarchs? Why don’t our pastors teach us these things? Is it perhaps because today’s “christian” faith is apostate? Yes . . . it is, made evident by the Flock, who does not understand the Holy Workings of our Faith. Our pastors, teachers, and leaders have failed us . . . miserably.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You are right. But I am also right. Noah is also a Father to those who believe.

My reason for my post is to put out the idea for all to think about that when God created the Hebrew race and spoke to them instead of speaking to the idol worshiping nations, God did this with love for those gentiles. God kept reminding Hebrews to include any gentiles when God gave them eternal principles, they were for the gentiles as well as the Hebrews God kept telling them.

When God told us we were Abraham's, God was telling us gentiles who accepting God were as precious to Him as the Hebrews were.

The Hebrews were the only nation that accepted the Lord t that time. Now Jesus and Paul has opened up God for us all, but God has always wanted the gentiles to he his people, not just the Hebrews.

You know, I have watched you go after so many people because they were not running in accordance to the purpose of the OP. And here you are doing the same things. As said, I am not interested in your game playing.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

It seems you did not read my post well. The true Abraham in many mentions in the Word is actually the Father in Heaven. Yes, we are of the faith of Abraham, but this is by no means saying the man gave anyone faith.

Unbelievable. I never said that Abraham gave us anything. It seems that you did not read my post well.

 

[Dino246]

The Hebrews were the only nation that accepted the Lord t that time.

That is not true. The Hebrews were the people whom God made for Himself. Though many individuals among them were faithful to God, the nation as a whole consistently rejected Him.

 

[Dino246]

Why are we as Christians wondering what it was that happened to the likes of Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, and even Saul (later renamed as Paul)? Why aren’t we trying to figure out and understand what our Faith of today is supposed to be a reflection of the Faith of the Patriarchs? Why don’t our pastors teach us these things? Is it perhaps because today’s “christian” faith is apostate?

Maybe it’s because having faith in the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ is of infinitely greater importance than understanding how Abraham is our exemplar.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Written in another way: Are there any Biblical passages that tell us, exactly, what it is about His Faith that is qualifiable for Eternal Life?

Kindly go and study Romans chapter 4 (and other corresponding passages).
ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS IMPUTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Thus he is the metaphorical "father" of all those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and their faith is imputed for righteousness.

Imputed righteousness is one of the least understood and least accepted Gospel truths among Christians. The question always arises "How can God be just and the justifier of the ungodly?" And the answer is found in the finished work of Christ. Salvation is purely by grace through faith + NOTHING. And it includes imputed righteousness. Otherwise no one could enter Heaven.