Hebrews 6 & 10 DO NOT speak to "losing your salvation"....read on!

[cv5]

Finest exegesis I have yet heard. Very comprehensive. You need to understand the Jewishness of the text to comprehend the truths being presented (it is actually written to Hebrews after all ). AT NO TIME does the text indicate a doctrine of "losing your salvation".

Do yourself a huge favor and spend a couple of days listening to these sermons. I have the GTY app on my phone, download these sermons, and usually listen in my vehicle via Bluetooth.

Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3

Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2

 

[jb]

Finest exegesis I have yet heard. Very comprehensive. You need to understand the Jewishness of the text to comprehend the truths being presented (it is actually written to Hebrews after all ). AT NO TIME does the text indicate a doctrine of "losing your salvation".

Do yourself a huge favor and spend a couple of days listening to these sermons. I have the GTY app on my phone, download these sermons, and usually listen in my vehicle via Bluetooth.

Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3

Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2

Have to strongly disagree!

IT IS TOTALLY about the possibility of losing your salvation!

Heb 3 & 4 lays the groundwork for this!

As regards the supposed "Jewishness" of Hebrews, that is a complete red herring, it is for the Church (Jew and Gentile alike), The Body of Christ....PERIOD!

 

[JaumeJ]

It is almost, maybe exactly, like teaching we do not become fellow heirs with Israel.

 

[Absolutely]

Finest exegesis I have yet heard. Very comprehensive. You need to understand the Jewishness of the text to comprehend the truths being presented (it is actually written to Hebrews after all ). AT NO TIME does the text indicate a doctrine of "losing your salvation".

Do yourself a huge favor and spend a couple of days listening to these sermons. I have the GTY app on my phone, download these sermons, and usually listen in my vehicle via Bluetooth.

Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3

Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2

Heb 5 &6 are contrasting milk vs meat. ( in part)

In 6 it is clear. Once those depart the faith and get grounded outside Christ it as if Jesus needs crucified all over. ( since they were once saved)

Mcarthur is simply wrong.

Blatantly and obviously wrong.

 

[cv5]

Heb 5 &6 are contrasting milk vs meat. ( in part)

In 6 it is clear. Once those depart the faith and get grounded outside Christ it as if Jesus needs crucified all over. ( since they were once saved)

Mcarthur is simply wrong.

Blatantly and obviously wrong.

Ask yourself whether Simon the sorcerer of Acts 8 was truly saved or just hanging around looking for opportunity. This Simon the sorcerer actually went through the ritual of baptism.....

To understand "crucifying Christ anew"......I would urge you to fast forward and listen to that part of the sermon.

BTW....I don't agree with every single thing MacArthur is saying. But in terms of scope he definitely has a handle on it.

 

[cv5]

Have to strongly disagree!

IT IS TOTALLY about the possibility of losing your salvation!

Heb 3 & 4 lays the groundwork for this!

As regards the supposed "Jewishness" of Hebrews, that is a complete red herring, it is for the Church (Jew and Gentile alike), The Body of Christ....PERIOD!

An opinion rooted in ignorance. Time for you to actually listen to those chapters of the sermons.

 

[Absolutely]

Ask yourself whether Simon the sorcerer of Acts 8 was truly saved or just hanging around looking for opportunity. This Simon the sorcerer actually went through the ritual of baptism.....

To understand "crucifying Christ anew"......I would urge you to fast forward and listen to that part of the sermon.

BTW....I don't agree with every single thing MacArthur is saying. But in terms of scope he definitely has a handle on it.

There are not 2 dynamics.
There are many.
1)Saved
2)Unsaved
3)Saved babies on milk
4)Saved mature saints
5)Saved but living in sin
6)Saved but doing nothing at all for the kingdom
7)Totally lost people but sitting in church.

Most likely more.

But crucifying christ anew is pointing to the near impossibility of bring back the apostate believer.
Why?
Because they WERE SAVED.
THEY WERE SAVED, tasted the heavenly things and went BACK to the devil.

That is the difficulty. They chose, the devil as a saved individual.

Nothing else enters the picture unless you think a believer is a robot and can not choose the devil over God.

You can defect.

 

[cv5]

There are not 2 dynamics.
There are many.
1)Saved
2)Unsaved
3)Saved babies on milk
4)Saved mature saints
5)Saved but living in sin
6)Saved but doing nothing at all for the kingdom
7)Totally lost people but sitting in church.

Most likely more.

But crucifying christ anew is pointing to the near impossibility of bring back the apostate believer.
Why?
Because they WERE SAVED.
THEY WERE SAVED, tasted the heavenly things and went BACK to the devil.

That is the difficulty. They chose, the devil as a saved individual.

Nothing else enters the picture unless you think a believer is a robot and can not choose the devil over God.

You can defect.

Nope totally disagree with that. I disagree based on the text itself. Hebrews is tricky you can't go at it with a sledgehammer. You need to thread your way very carefully through it.

Actually losing your salvation is patently absurd and un-biblical and quite frankly impossible.

 

[JaumeJ]

What about the Prodigal Son...? His father waited for him to return. Then there are those sheep that wander off from the flock, and the shepherd goes out until he finds him and brings him back to the flock.

There aree accounts of people given time to repent in the OT, and knowing it gave glory to God. And more I would imagine, I can go by memory on the above, but to recount them all I cannot at present. God bless al who love Jesus Yeshua .

 

[Absolutely]

"""(it is actually written to Hebrews after all ). AT NO TIME does the text indicate a doctrine of "losing your salvation"""

Heb 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

That tells you right there paul is addressing the church.

The same people he addresses to lay aside basic doctrine.

That is solid bible

 

[Absolutely]

Nope totally disagree with that. I disagree based on the text itself. Hebrews is tricky you can't go at it with a sledgehammer. You need to thread your way very carefully through it.

Actually losing your salvation is patently absurd and un-biblical and quite frankly impossible.

Heb 6 does not go away because of some belief

 

[cv5]

"""(it is actually written to Hebrews after all ). AT NO TIME does the text indicate a doctrine of "losing your salvation"""

Heb 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

That tells you right there paul is addressing the church.

The same people he addresses to lay aside basic doctrine.

That is solid bible

The term "Oracles of God"........is hardcore heavy duty OT......
Do a study and find out for yourself.

That's what I'm saying Hebrews is quite tricky and you need to understand the Jewishness of these terms before you can rightly comprehend a book.

 

[Absolutely]

Nope totally disagree with that. I disagree based on the text itself. Hebrews is tricky you can't go at it with a sledgehammer. You need to thread your way very carefully through it.

Actually losing your salvation is patently absurd and un-biblical and quite frankly impossible.

None the less

I am glad i can just read it and let it say what it does

 

[JaumeJ]

Absolutely, I read and like what you posst much of the time. Here I am not even beginning to attmpt to refute what you have posted about having tasted of salvation and choosing to go back to a life of sin, but judging for ourselves what is right, I believe when a brother or sister is weak, and appears to have committed dthe atrocity to which you refer, they are not always intentionally going to the adversary.
If I am able to forgive those who have been weak, I know our Father is love and perfect and merciful, so do not be guided into judgin as is said, unto damnation. This time will come to all of the saints.

 

[Absolutely]

The term "Oracles of God"........is hardcore heavy duty OT......
Do a study and find out for yourself.

That's what I'm saying Hebrews is quite tricky and you need to understand the Jewishness of these terms before you can rightly comprehend a book.

I can read it, let the jewish dynamics say what they will.

I am not the one insinuating orthodox jews were teaching baptism , laying on of hands, and raising the dead.

 

[Absolutely]

Absolutely, I read and like what you posst much of the time. Here I am not even beginning to attmpt to refute what you have posted about having tasted of salvation and choosing to go back to a life of sin, but judging for ourselves what is right, I believe when a brother or sister is weak, and appears to have committed dthe atrocity to which you refer, they are not always intentionally going to the adversary.
If I am able to forgive those who have been weak, I know our Father is love and perfect and merciful, so do not be guided into judgin as is said, unto damnation. This time will come to all of the saints.

Yes indeed.
If we er it is to be on the side of mercy and love.

I believe osas has a truth in it.
I do not believe , knowing people are fickle, that one who is saved is a robot and CAN NOT defect.

I think heb 6 is extremely clear in what it says in easy to understand terms.

 

[Absolutely]

Heb 5, 6,&7.

Read them together.
It is in context that some the theories and beliefs are dispelled.

 

[ResidentAlien]

This is by John MacArthur in case anyone's wondering.

 

[cv5]

I can read it, let the jewish dynamics say what they will.

I am not the one insinuating orthodox jews were teaching baptism , laying on of hands, and raising the dead.

Here's a zinger for you:
In that passage the term "laying on of hands" quite literally is meant to describe how an observant Jew would lay his hands upon the clean animal which he was providing the priest for an sacrifice. This was part of the normal procedure and was symbolic of laying his own sin upon the animal itself, completing the function of atonement.

Contrarily the "laying on of hands" mean something COMPLETELY different in the NT economy.

Do yourself a big favor and listen to those five sermons. They are quite instructive and excellent for apprehending the proper perspective. In fact I just listen to sermons 4 and 5 again today!

Best thing to do is download GTY app onto your phone and download them. Superfast works perfectly....

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Heb 5 &6 are contrasting milk vs meat. ( in part)

In 6 it is clear. Once those depart the faith and get grounded outside Christ it as if Jesus needs crucified all over. ( since they were once saved)

Mcarthur is simply wrong.

Blatantly and obviously wrong.

John Macarthur is a wolf.