Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality
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Yes it does. Perfect
As to God it means completely and entirely righteous, undivided, infallible, inerrant, which includes sinless. And when Jesus tells us to be perfect as the Father is percect, he is telling us to be sinless.
That really isn't what it says. I mean, the purpose of repentance was clearly to keep your candlestick in Revelation 2:1-7. Yes, God does command people to repent, but if you want eternal life then overcome the world through faith. That's what I get from a variety of scriptures, including Revelation 2:1-7.
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kaylagrl
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So you're sinless? Well it's no wonder the rest of us can't live up to your standards. So you never commit a sin?!
When you say "the purpose of repentance was clearly to keep your candlestick", of what is the candlestick figurative?
Just curious does the scripture actually mean something different than what it says?
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. TO HIM who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” Revelation 2:7.
No. I'm not sinless. Far from it. However, my sin is covered by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Only when I abide in Him am I viewed sinless because He is sinless, and it is not me that God sees, it is the Son, Jesus Christ, whose perfect righteousness covers me. But don't let your anger and animus toward me cloud your responses.
I find it odd how those who like to go around pointing out the supposed sins of others and acting likeNo. I'm not sinless. Far from it. However, my sin is covered by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Only when I abide in Him am I viewed sinless because He is sinless, and it is not me that God sees, it is the Son, Jesus Christ, whose perfect righteousness covers me. But don't let your anger and animus toward me cloud your responses.
those sins will cost them their salvation then turn around and admit that they are likewise sinners.
Who among all that ever lived is not a sinner?
I don't advertise my sins here on an anonymous internet chat board, nor do I celebrate my sins or anyone else's. If someone posts a message specifying their sins, I am going to approach that as that person looking for help. I am not condemning anyone, that is exclusively God's purview. I will respond truthfully, and not affirm or approve their sins like some on this site, because affirming or approving of sin is completely unloving.
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Did I say anything about anyone not being a sinner? No, I did not. My comment dealt specifically with those who claim sin will cause others to lose their salvation, but then admit that they too sin... as if others' sins are not also covered by the blood of Christ.
Thank you for sharing. One day you will see just how powerful the blood of Christ is to cleanse away your sin. It's wonderful freedom to to wake up and realise that God has wiped your sins, not matter how many and how bad, from your record. The word Tedeleski, translated "it is finished", was used to indicate that a debt had been paid in full. You are free now, not to use freedom as license to sin but to walk in the new life that Jesus gives you through the power of the resurrection.I've been to Fatima, Lourdes and Medjugorje in 1993. Fatima is the scariest place I've ever been to be honest.
What I'm talking about talking about is called the illumination of conscience, or the warning spoken about by Padre Pio, Sister Sasagawa, Garabandal to name a few.
If people don't believe in it, they will soon enough. This is the worldwide event I'm alluding to. It's already happened to some people in advance as a great act of grace and for reasons completely unknown to me, my turn came up just before Easter.
I'm going to try and make this as short as possible, but it's really hard to make a synopsis of the biggest most life changing event you've ever had.
Everyone knows who I am and how I've led an unholy life. No need to catch you up to speed on that. But one night before Easter this year (2021) I was in bed alone (as is normal) I became aware of a presence in my room. It was a male and he was standing in my doorway. I knew immediately it was Jesus. All I could feel was immense shame. And I said in my mind 'how can I come before you Lord, I am so so unworthy!' He said nothing, but instead showed me how he sees me. It was awful. The most spirituality, emotionally and physically (in my heart) painful thing I've ever experienced. I was like a beggar in the streets. Dirty, torn clothes. Disheveled and unwashed. Jesus didn't have to say a word. I knew my sins are what had gotten me in this state.
I kept saying in my mind 'why are you here Lord,? I'm so not worthy of you'
And he responded one simple question: 'Are you with me?'
For some reason, I knew I had to answer out loud. But I couldn't. With all my being I wanted to say YES! But my lips were bound. I struggled my heart was screaming 'I am here Lord' I took me everything ounce of will I had in my existence and my mouth moved. I was able to get those words I desperately wanted to say out. I blurted as loudly as I could 'I am here Lord!'
And then I just started weeping. I literally couldn't stop crying. I haven't been able to for months now. I keep getting this urge to start praying. To pray the rosary. And to fast. Things I've never done before. And I just can't stop. I'm literally obsessed with God and being in Jesus' presence. Every time I fall into prayer it's just a big blubber fest. All I feel is regret and sorrow for everything I've ever done.
And yet despite it being the most ridiculously painful thing I've ever done, I can't stop. It literally feels like I'm being purified in holy fire.
I've come to realise that my whole life has been one of selfishness and desire. All I want to do is make it up for all the things I've done in my life that have offended God and put right the wrongs I've done to other people. God is teaching me about the ripple effects of our sins. How even the smallest things we do, or even don't do can affect another human and cause them to become lost. He loves us all so so very much and he wants us. ALL of us to love him. It destroys Jesus when he sees how we've all dehumanised one another. We've forgotten that every single person on this planet carries the most precious of gifts with them. Their very own soul.
And yet again as I write this, I'm reduced to a blubbering messWhatever Jesus did to me, he stitched me up real good.
I literally went from being somewhere between agnostic and Atheist who teetered between believing there is no God, and if there is one, he didn't believe in me to full on believer who is ready to follow him wherever he leads me.
So this is what is to come for everyone on the planet. A great event will come and every single person on this earth will see how God would judge them if they were to die then and there at the same time. It's going to be horrific for many. Some will literally die from fright when it happens. I know I felt like I couldn't bear to see the stain of my sins, it was so so awful to know just how much Jesus cares, when I truly didn't.
So yes, Jesus does visit gay people. Yes he does want to save us. Yes I am changing. Things that were attractive to me a few months ago hold no interest today. Temptations that ruled my life are of no importance to me anymore.
All that matters to me now is making up for those years I wasted in ignorance and figuring out what God wants me to do next. Which is pretty much a 'to be continued' sort of thing at the moment.
I apologize for bad grammar and probably a poorly written account. Between trying to fight predictive text on my phone and blurry eyes I know I've done a hatchet job.
As you consecrate your life to Christ, accepting His Lordship, He will lead and guide you. He will also empower you to do what He asks of you. You know that life can be tough. Satan hates to lose those who were his slaves, so you will need to stay close to Jesus. Don't worry, He has been to hell and back and nothing is too hard for Him. Just don't try and work it out yourself.
I used to be pretty good at English. It was the only school subject that interested me. Your account is as good or better than most from that point of view. And what you have to say is more important than how you say it.
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kaylagrl
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No. I'm not sinless. Far from it. However, my sin is covered by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Only when I abide in Him am I viewed sinless because He is sinless, and it is not me that God sees, it is the Son, Jesus Christ, whose perfect righteousness covers me. But don't let your anger and animus toward me cloud your responses.
Well we've had people come and preach they were sinless, I wanted to be sure that wasn't what you were saying.
Yes, Jesus made it clear in Matthew 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Peter also tells us in 2 Peter 2:20-22: "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Hebrews 10:26-28: "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses."
1 John 3:6-9: "No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."
All of the foregoing are reasons why we who are Christ's must be always praying for strength to overcome temptation to sin, and if and when we do sin, to readily confess our sin.
James 5:19-20 is instructive: "My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."
Paul's angler? What sort of fishing line and bait was he using? Surf casting, deep sea, bass fishing, brook fishing?
Some (including you) who have visited us here yammer on as if you are safe to sin because your sins are covered by the blood of Christ, while others are in peril if they sin because they could lose their salvation. Perhaps hoping you see the hypocritical double standard in this is expecting too much.
