Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

[JerryInBoston]

Lol perhaps you've got it right.

This is all very interesting coming from you who claim to be lovers of and followers of Jesus.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I guess Jesus sinned then, because he got angry

paul God angry with Peter, so I guess paul sinned also.

smh

Jesus is God. Don't you believe God has a right to be angry?

 

[OldSage]

You hate me because ...

I don't hate you Jerry, I don't hate you.
Trust me, Boston is full of horrible people, but you are not one of them.

 

[kaylagrl]

The echo chamber speaks again.

Annnnnd there it is... told ya.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus is God. Don't you believe God has a right to be angry?

Is Paul God

did Jesus tell us to be like him?

 

[kaylagrl]

This is all very interesting coming from you who claim to be lovers of and followers of Jesus.

Nope, you went on the attack and spread lies. Don't pretend to be the victim now.

 

[Unearthed]

He is mad because he called me a liberal and I called him out, so now he is attacking the right, just goes to show he is all over the place much like his gospel.

I don't agree with how some people politicise their religious beliefs, so I'll stay out of this.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I guess Jesus sinned then, because he got angry

paul God angry with Peter, so I guess paul sinned also.

smh

No one has the right to be angry, just as no one has the right to be forgiven. I forgive all of you, yet not one of you has acknowledged it.

I apologize for offending any or all of you. You think differently,perhaps wrongly as to scripture, but it is not a means to hate or be angry. Please forgive me for all that you hold against me.

Thank you, Lord Jesus, for your love, your grace, and your mercy toward a sinner like me. And for taking away all that burdens me. In your name I pray, Lord Jesus. 🙏

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't hate you Jerry, I don't hate you.
Trust me, Boston is full of horrible people, but you are not one of them.

I lived there for three years, mostly Catholic, extremely far left. But there were some good people there

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't hate you Jerry, I don't hate you.
Trust me, Boston is full of horrible people, but you are not one of them.

I love MA though. Been all over. Love the cape in particular. But then I have always loved the ocean. And it was pretty neat to visit Plymouth Rock, which many find underwhelming but I am a history lover.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope, you went on the attack and spread lies. Don't pretend to be the victim now.

Reminds me of another user here, who preaches law in every thread

 

[JerryInBoston]

Is Paul God

did Jesus tell us to be like him?

Jesus told us to be perfect as His heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't agree with how some people politicise their religious beliefs, so I'll stay out of this.

With the way our country is I try to stay out of political fights Also, it’s a lost cause and only cause division

 

[Runningman]

Here's Revelation 2:7 (NKJV): "“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”

Jesus tells them to repent and warns that only those that overcome will have eternal life.

That's correct, but the purpose of the repentance was so they can keep their candlestick, not lose eternal life.

So how do we overcome the world? Faith in Christ. In other words, if you have faith in Christ you'll end up in paradise.

John 16:33
33These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

1 John 5:4
4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus told us to be perfect as His heavenly Father is perfect.

And as he was perfect

he got mad. Which means there is righteous anger. Thank you for showing us this fact

 

[glen55]

I believe that the way many churches and Christians approach the issue of homosexuality is unbiblical.

Churches market themselves as offering unconditional love.
However, all too often they use a bait and switch tactic whereby they offer unconditional love to tempt people in and yet once 'captured', it is discovered that this love and acceptance is conditional on the newcomer changing in whichever way the church 'elders' dictate they should change.
If the church member doesn't change, they may find that they are not included in ways that they were before.

This is manipulation and spiritual abuse, and is absolutely not the kind of unconditional love offered by Jesus.

Before anybody says that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible and that I'm "ignoring scripture"...
Prostitution is also forbidden in the Bible, and we all know how Jesus asked people not to throw stones and cast judgement.

You see, Jesus uses love to define scripture, and yet humans use scripture to define love.

Jesus reached out to the marginalised, and yet we reach out to condemn.
Perhaps it's in our fallen nature to want to play God?

Lastly, the reason I'm sticking up for homosexuals and using them as an example here is not because I'm gay myself, just as the reason why I'm against racism is not because I am black.

God has consigned all men to disobedience that he may have mercy on all.”

 

[JerryInBoston]

That's correct, but the purpose of the repentance was so they can keep their candlestick, not lose eternal life.

So how do we overcome the world? Faith in Christ. In other words, if you have faith in Christ you'll end up in paradise.

John 16:33
33These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

1 John 5:4
4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

When Jesus said: "to him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.”, Jesus is implying that if you don't overcome you will not eat from the tree of life in paradise. That implies those who don't eat from the tree of life are not in paradise, but are in hell. It is literally saying you must repent and overcome to get to paradise, ie, heaven.

 

[JerryInBoston]

And as he was perfect

he got mad. Which means there is righteous anger. Thank you for showing us this fact

Jesus is God and is completely righteous, and His anger is completely righteous. You are not righteous so neither is your anger righteous.

 

[OldSage]

I love MA though. Been all over. Love the cape in particular. But then I have always loved the ocean. And it was pretty neat to visit Plymouth Rock, which many find underwhelming but I am a history lover.

It was my Donald impression....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus is God and is completely righteous, and His anger is completely righteous. You are not righteous so neither is your anger righteous.

there you go being judge again