Are Gods laws written on christians hearts

[de-emerald]

Hi all you lovely wonderful christians here. Verry nice to be here and chat with you about the law.
Along with many other subjects i do like the fellowship. I have been doing a lot of research on the law and have come to the conclusion that there are many aspects of the law that people have different view points on. I my self have become a bit confused lately and started to question whether the law is written on christians hearts, which ive never questioned befor, as ive allways thought they where from reading scripture. The law is holy to me and i love to meditate on the law, your advice and guidance on this matter would be much appreciated thankyou.

 

[Magenta]

Is it the law of Christ to which you refer?

Romans 13:10

Romans 10:4

 

[BonnieClaire]

Hi all you lovely wonderful Christians here. Very nice to be here and chat with you about the law.
Along with many other subjects I do like the fellowship. I have been doing a lot of research on the law and have come to the conclusion that there are many aspects of the law that people have different view points on. I my self have become a bit confused lately and started to question whether the law is written on christian's hearts, which I've never questioned before, as I've always thought they where from reading scripture. The law is holy to me and I love to meditate on the law, your advice and guidance on this matter would be much appreciated thank you.

As the old saying goes, "The law shows our sin, but the gospel shows our Savior."


Romans 3:20 (KJV)
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

1 John 4:14 (KJV)
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

 

[de-emerald]

Is it the law of Christ to which you refer

I Refer to which ever laws God the father and God the son deem fit.

Romans 10.4 for christ is an end to the law to bring rightousness to everyone who believes.

Ok so what does Romans 10:4 mean exactly, Does it mean an end to all law, because when we read hebrews 8, we see That Jesus is sat with God in heaven talking about the new covenant to be written on our hearts which includes writing Gods laws on our hearts. In pauls teachings we dont see an end to obeying the law, Because paul rebukes the galations for not obeying Gods new laws, The laws we do see an end to
is man's dependence on rituals and animal sacrifices and being under the law and set free from the curse of the law. Lets have a quick read of hebrews 8 because i think its well worth it

The High Priest of a New Covenant
8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[b]: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”[c]13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

This looks to me like christians do get Gods laws written on there hearts. Unless its just for The Jews ?. maybe im a jew then if its only for the people of isreal.

 

[Magenta]

I Refer to which ever laws God the father and God the son deem fit.

Romans 10.4 for christ is an end to the law to bring rightousness to everyone who believes.

Ok so what does Romans 10:4 mean exactly, Does it mean an end to all law, because when we read hebrews 8, we see That Jesus is sat with God in heaven talking about the new covenant to be written on our hearts which includes writing Gods laws on our hearts. In pauls teachings we dont see an end to obeying the law, Because paul rebukes the galations for not obeying Gods new laws, The laws we do see an end to
is man's dependence on rituals and animal sacrifices and being under the law and set free from the curse of the law. Lets have a quick read of hebrews 8 because i think its well worth it

The High Priest of a New Covenant
8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[b]: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”[c]13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

This looks to me like christians do get Gods laws written on there hearts. Unless its just for The Jews ?. maybe im a jew then if its only for the people of isreal.

You ask: what does Romans 10:4 mean exactly? Well, it means nobody attains righteousness by obeying the law, for righteousness is attained through faith in the shed righteous blood of Christ to pay the sin debt, that we be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after/escape the second death. You also ask about the law being just for the Jews, which clearly indicates you are referring to old covenant laws. Do you think 613 mitzvot are written on your heart? Those are obsolete; Christ fulfilled them. If you put yourself under the law and break even one, you are guilty of breaking all. In Acts 15, Peter says: "Why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 

[Journeyman]

Hi all you lovely wonderful christians here. Verry nice to be here and chat with you about the law.
Along with many other subjects i do like the fellowship. I have been doing a lot of research on the law and have come to the conclusion that there are many aspects of the law that people have different view points on. I my self have become a bit confused lately and started to question whether the law is written on christians hearts, which ive never questioned befor, as ive allways thought they where from reading scripture. The law is holy to me and i love to meditate on the law, your advice and guidance on this matter would be much appreciated thankyou.

Yes de-emerald, the law is written in the heart of believers. It teaches us that we, along with all people, are in need of God's mercy.

 

[Magenta]

Acts 13:38-39

 

[p_rehbein]

Excerpt:

This verse is quoted from Jeremiah 31:33. The same verse was mentioned earlier in the book of Hebrews, to show that God had promised to replace the old covenant. God's intent was never to use the Levitical priesthood as mankind's ultimate solution for sin. Instead, the rituals and objects of the old covenant were meant to point mankind towards the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The writer is very careful to support these claims using God's own Word, from the Old Testament Scriptures. The prior verse explicitly reminds the reader that those are God's words—the Holy Spirit speaking to us—as a way of encouraging the reader to take such words seriously.

Jeremiah 31:33 emphasizes a key aspect of the new covenant. While the old covenant was external and dependent on written laws, the new covenant is internal and "written" on the hearts and minds of God's people. The following verses will include an additional segment from Jeremiah to wrap up this discussion on God's ultimate plan for our salvation.


Here:

What does Hebrews 10:16 mean?

 

[Gideon300]

Hi all you lovely wonderful christians here. Verry nice to be here and chat with you about the law.
Along with many other subjects i do like the fellowship. I have been doing a lot of research on the law and have come to the conclusion that there are many aspects of the law that people have different view points on. I my self have become a bit confused lately and started to question whether the law is written on christians hearts, which ive never questioned befor, as ive allways thought they where from reading scripture. The law is holy to me and i love to meditate on the law, your advice and guidance on this matter would be much appreciated thankyou.

There is something much higher than God's law. Lord Jesus made that clear with the sermon on the mount.

When you we born again, God gives us a new nature, which is the new, born again spirit. It is not God but it is of God. Lord Jesus comes to live in us in the Person of His Holy Spirit. We have a choice. We can live by doing our best to follow the written commandments. That would be fine. God's commandments are indeed holy. The commandments are not the problem, we are. Quite simply, there is nothing in us that is able to keep God's law.

The Christian goes from an unbeliever who does not even know God has laws to someone who wants to live a life that pleases God. it is one of the signs that someone is really born again. Romans 7 is Paul's experience as someone who did his best to keep the law. Who better qualified than Paul? But he failed just as much as anyone else.

The other problem is that the law does not address particular circumstances. I was in the Navy when I was saved. Try telling the ship's Captain that you are having Saturday off because it is the Sabbath, even when someone is shooting at you. The Law is inscribed on stone. You can't reason with stone, you can't justify yourself with stone and you can't plead for mercy with a stone.

The answer to the problem is not to try harder. Learn from Paul. He said that deliverance from the dilemma is through Christ. He knows us through and through. He is God, so He knows what is best for us and is well able to bring it to pass. What we need to do is accept the Lordship of Christ, yoke ourselves to Him and let Him lead and guide us. He is God, so He is not going to violate God's nature.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

1 Timothy 1:9
We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers.............

King David probably wrote psalm 119. If he did not, I'm sure he would have been aware of it and agreed with it. That did not stop him from becoming a murdering adulterer.

Lord Jesus came to give us new life, not a better set of rules to follow. John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent..."

You want to be more Christlike? Get to know Him better. Spend time with Him. Ask Him to make you the kind of person that He wants you to be. He will. It will be hard at times but worth every moment of testing. Small example. I am on a fixed income, a pensioner. I was led to buy an expensive item for a friend. I bought it, not sure whether I could afford it or not. A few days later, I received a totally unexpected amount in my bank account that covered the cost. 30 years ago I would have refused to buy it. I did not know Lord Jesus as my provider. I do now. Theory is easy. Anyone can quote "My God shall provide your every need". It's not so easy when you have to put it into practice.

 

[Magenta]

Jeremiah31-3

Jeremiah29-11-14

 

[ResidentAlien]

I believe when a person becomes a disciple of Jesus, Gods laws are written on his or her heart in the form of the Spirit of Christ. We comprehend God's laws through our faith in Christ.

It also depends on what you men by "laws." The way I see it is by laws is meant "will." In other words, I'll write my will upon their hearts. See for example Proverbs 21:3:

"To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice."

And 1 Samuel 15:22:

"But Samuel replied: 'Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.' "

So the ceremonial law is irrelevant; but the rest of the law which deals with loving and obeying God is what's written on our hearts through Christ.

 

[Dino246]

Hi all you lovely wonderful christians here. Verry nice to be here and chat with you about the law.
Along with many other subjects i do like the fellowship. I have been doing a lot of research on the law and have come to the conclusion that there are many aspects of the law that people have different view points on. I my self have become a bit confused lately and started to question whether the law is written on christians hearts, which ive never questioned befor, as ive allways thought they where from reading scripture. The law is holy to me and i love to meditate on the law, your advice and guidance on this matter would be much appreciated thankyou.

The answer to your question is Yes.

Now, a question for you: Which law, specifically?

 

[Hakawaka]

No denomination is following God's laws well enough to say that they are "written on their hearts", Christians in general are very disobedient and worldly and we still do need to say "Know the Lord" to our neighbor and not all know Him from least to the greatest.

I would say this is fully fulfilled in the millenium when Jesus returns. Similar to:

Ezekiel 36:25-27
25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

 

[de-emerald]

The answer to your question is Yes.

Now, a question for you: Which law, specifically?

I have prayed for answers on this question. I may have got my prayer answered as i had a light bulb moment. The lord God said to me honor is what i love then i was reminded of the fruits of the spirit but the fruits of the spirit are love joy peace longsuffering gentleness goodness faith meekness temperance, against such things there is no law.

There is no law against the fruits of the spirit. i repeat there is no law againts the fruits of the spirit.

Then the father showed me me all theese fruits in my hearts in the form of words and said at the top of each fruit is a branch called honor that will guard your fruits.

Then the father said my honor will let you know when your in violation of honor
That was it.

 

[de-emerald]

Galatians 5:22-23


King James Version

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Dino246]

I have prayed for answers on this question. I may have got my prayer answered as i had a light bulb moment. The lord God said to me honor is what i love then i was reminded of the fruits of the spirit but the fruits of the spirit are love joy peace longsuffering gentleness goodness faith meekness temperance, against such things there is no law.

There is no law against the fruits of the spirit. i repeat there is no law againts the fruits of the spirit.

Then the father showed me me all theese fruits in my hearts in the form of words and said at the top of each fruit is a branch called honor that will guard your fruits.

Then the father said my honor will let you know when your in violation of honor
That was it.

Interesting. So... nothing about the ten commandments? Nothing about stoning adulterers, or living in a tent for a week, or yanking down a house if it has mould?

 

[Magenta]

No denomination is following God's laws well enough to say that they are "written on their hearts", Christians in general are very disobedient and worldly and we still do need to say "Know the Lord" to our neighbor and not all know Him from least to the greatest. I would say this is fully fulfilled in the millenium when Jesus returns. Similar to:
Ezekiel 36:25-27
25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Ezekiel 36:-25-26

 

[Magenta]

Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness,
goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 5:22-24

 

[de-emerald]

Interesting. So... nothing about the ten commandments? Nothing about stoning adulterers, or living in a tent for a week, or yanking down a house if it has mould?

I prayed for another answer to this and i had another light bulb moment. The answer i got back from God was my honor is written in your heart. God then told me two of his commandments honor thy father and honor thy mother, and then God said my honor keeps the commandments. That was it

 

[Blik]

As the old saying goes, "The law shows our sin, but the gospel shows our Savior."

Romans 3:20 (KJV)
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

1 John 4:14 (KJV)
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

That saying would be more truthful if the word "but" was changed to "and". Our savior did not take away the guidance the Father gave us with the law, but he perfected it. Christ said "you have been told" and then he explained that law ad it is in the spirit of the law given in our hearts as Christ said "but I tell you".