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kaylagrl
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You tell me. I'm all.
Nah, you made the comment. By all means, say what you mean Jerry.
Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality
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Nah, you made the comment. By all means, say what you mean Jerry.
But that is not the case for the Christians at Ephesus. They were following their first love, but fell away. Otherwise, why would Jesus instruct John to write them and tell them as much?
1 John 2:19
Jesus is King and Lord of all. He created good and evil He made day and night. He is the saviour of all who repent of there ways and all
who dont
You cant have it both ways You want to belong to him but you dont want to repent of your sins. Sorry doesnt work.
God is holy and there is no way those who commit sins Join him. However even the Gay people will praise God because he let them be blinded and uses them to show how merciful he is to his chosen people.
Were are not your Judge. we can however pray that you hear, repent and join us who are his people.
What you do is up to you. but your not going to make it by sinning. You make it by repenting of your sins and God sends strong delusion and blinds people to the truth who want it both ways.
Hope this truth doesnt offend you. Your free to be whatever you want on this earth
So real love is that you will hear him not that you are gay or black or yellow or brown or rich or poor. Real love is the hope that you will listen and respond in a way that is pleasing to Our Holy God. Either way He is LORD OF ALL.
who dont
You cant have it both ways You want to belong to him but you dont want to repent of your sins. Sorry doesnt work.
God is holy and there is no way those who commit sins Join him. However even the Gay people will praise God because he let them be blinded and uses them to show how merciful he is to his chosen people.
Were are not your Judge. we can however pray that you hear, repent and join us who are his people.
What you do is up to you. but your not going to make it by sinning. You make it by repenting of your sins and God sends strong delusion and blinds people to the truth who want it both ways.
Hope this truth doesnt offend you. Your free to be whatever you want on this earth
So real love is that you will hear him not that you are gay or black or yellow or brown or rich or poor. Real love is the hope that you will listen and respond in a way that is pleasing to Our Holy God. Either way He is LORD OF ALL.
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eternally-gratefull
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Then since you didI am saved by grace, bro. But I told you so more than once. Why can't you understand that. Are you a leftist Democrat?
Not earn salvation you can never unseen salvation. Hence you have eternal
Life
But you keep telling me you have conditional life
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eternally-gratefull
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The church lostWho is the church? It's people.
It’s way. Like israel Did and god removed his Blessing from them
yet many in Israel were
Still saved
Again why do you lack Faith in God to
Complete What he started?
I still had to repent, change the direction my life was heading, put my faith trust and rest in Jesus, trust in the Lord , be born from above, abide in Jesus, and stay in Jesus. But, yeah, I did not earn anything; I merely said yes to God's gift.
Hey bro, are you drinking or doing drugs? I have faith, and told you so multiple times, and your spelling is atrocious.
Do you think they had lost their salvation?
I've read the past several pages and can't figure out if the discussion is about the Salvation of People, a building/gathering place called a Church, or a group of People being called the Church. It's fascinating as many pages have been devoted to this one specific topic.
Good question. Let's look at what Jesus said:
Revelation 2:2 "I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary. 4But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’"
Jesus tells the people of Ephesus twice to repent, and warns only those who overcome or "conquer" will receive life in paradise. Does an eternally saved person need to repent? Has an eternally saved person already overcome/conquered?
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eternally-gratefull
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The church fell away as a light
John is not talking to individuals in revelation. Your twisting scripture
Hi
John is not talking, he's writing. And John is writing that which Jesus instructed him to write, namely: Revelation 2:2 "I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary. 4But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’"
Jesus tells the people of Ephesus twice to repent, and warns only those who overcome or "conquer" will receive life in paradise. Does an eternally saved person need to repent? Has an eternally saved person already overcome/conquered?
Compare that with that which Jesus instructed John to write to the assembly at Philadelphia: Revelation 3:8 “‘I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown. 12The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."
It is clear that Jesus requires ongoing repentance, ongoing abiding in Him, ongoing obedience, and ongoing faith in order for ongoing salvation / sanctification. Otherwise, the Christians assembled at Ephesus, who were saved at one point, would not have to turn back again (repent) in order to be saved and receive life in paradise.
John is not talking, he's writing. And John is writing that which Jesus instructed him to write, namely: Revelation 2:2 "I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary. 4But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’"
Jesus tells the people of Ephesus twice to repent, and warns only those who overcome or "conquer" will receive life in paradise. Does an eternally saved person need to repent? Has an eternally saved person already overcome/conquered?
Compare that with that which Jesus instructed John to write to the assembly at Philadelphia: Revelation 3:8 “‘I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown. 12The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."
It is clear that Jesus requires ongoing repentance, ongoing abiding in Him, ongoing obedience, and ongoing faith in order for ongoing salvation / sanctification. Otherwise, the Christians assembled at Ephesus, who were saved at one point, would not have to turn back again (repent) in order to be saved and receive life in paradise.
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eternally-gratefull
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Then you can’t lose it
otherwise you Must earn it
you can’t have it both ways
You can't earn it and you can lose it. Jesus said so in the Gospel according to John and in Revelation.
WOW......how many times did you plan to be wrong today? Too many I assure you.
No one can earn their way to Heaven.