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[SophieT]

Fine. Whatever your reasons are, they aren’t sufficient to make me wade through the wall of text. Have a great day.

he's been snarking at people since he got here...calling someone stiff necked, saying shame on you to someone else, doesn't need to think about sin or confess sin, blah blah blah

and now we know we don't have to take the Bible all that seriously cause it's a bunch of opinions, and of course the all caps thingie

I predict this behavior will grate sooner rather than later the usual boring person who tries to become the forum bully but wants respect

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

U FILL FIT TO CRITICIZE ME? LOL
WE CAN CHANGE OUR LIVES,
NON BELIEVERS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

SO, U SAY BECAUSE THE APOSTLES CLAIM WHAT THEY WROTE AND SAID IS THE WORD OF GOD, SO THEREFORE IT IS.
"I SPEAK THE TRUTH OF GOD, HOW DO U KNOW, BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS ALWAYS TRUTH, AND SINCE IM SPEAKING THE WORD OF GOD, WHEN I SAY MY WORDS ARE FROM GOD, THEY MUST BE"
SORRY CIRCULAR LOGIC 101A

PAUL OPPOSED THE OTHERS ON THE DOCTRINE OF BEING FOCUSED ON THE LAW OF MOSES. PAUL DIDNT SAY DIREGARD IT, BUT THAT IT ISNT WHAT BRINGS SALVATION, ONLY THRU JESUS DO YOU GET IT. GET IT?

THE APOSTLES DIDNT EVEN BRING UP IF NEW BELIEVERS HAD TO BECOME JEWS, OR IF THEY NEEDED TO AGREE TO STRICK OBEDIENCE TO JEWISH LAW BASED ON THE TEN COMMANDS, UNTIL WELL INTO ACTS.
SO, IF THEY DISAGREED, WAS GOD DISAGREEING WITH HIMSELF? A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND. U KNOW WHO SAID THAT?

SO, IF THEY DISAGREED ON STUFF, THEN OBVIOUSLY EVERY WORD THEY UTTERED WAS NOT DIRECTLY FROM GOD. MOSES'S LAW WAS DIRECTLY FROM GOD.

PAUL, AT FIRST PREACHED TO JEWS, BUT SAY THE FUTILITY OF IT, AND LET IT BE IN THE HANDS OF THE OTHERS. THE OTHERS ACTUALLY THOUGHT , AT FIRST, THAT THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS WERE FOR THE JEWS ONLY..
BUT PAUL KNEW BETTER AND WENT TO PREACH TO THE GENTILES BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WAS.

I DONT FOCUS ON OTHERS, BUT BY TELLING ME TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR, THATS WHAT U R DOING.

I CALL IT OUT WHEN PEOPLE MISTAKINGLY OR ON PURPOSE MIS USE THE WORD OF GOD, WHICH I SEE A LOT OF HERE

I DONT EXPECT TO CHANGE ANY OF THE STIFF NECKED HERE, BUT I KNOW OTHERS READ WITHOUT POSTING, AND THE WILL SEE THE FALLACY OF OTHERS IF I POINT OUT THE FALLACY OF WHAT THEY SAY.

I wouldn't let Gideon get under your skin again. Just say something like, "Thanks for setting me straight" and walk away.

 

[Evmur]

Here's the scoop:

Acts 1:18 NASB20 - "(Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out."

Compared to:

Matthew 27:3-10 NLT - "When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and the elders. 4 "I have sinned," he declared, "for I have betrayed an innocent man." "What do we care?" they retorted. "That's your problem." 5 Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself. 6 The leading priests picked up the coins. "It wouldn't be right to put this money in the Temple treasury," they said, "since it was payment for murder." 7 After some discussion they finally decided to buy the potter's field, and they made it into a cemetery for foreigners. 8 That is why the field is still called the Field of Blood. 9 This fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that says, "They took the thirty pieces of silver--the price at which he was valued by the people of Israel, 10 and purchased the potter's field, as the LORD directed."

And here are my notes on the matter - I hope they're accurate.

How can this be? - If Luke's accounting is correct in Acts, then it means that the discussion that Matthew clearly presents . . . is all made up. And since it is likely that Matthew has made up this conversation, it then means that according to Matthew, Dr. Luke doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about. We know that the Matthew account is correct because it outlines that . . . what the Jews did actually fulfilled prophesy. Matthew 27:9-10 NLT - "This fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that says, "They took the thirty pieces of silver--the price at which he was valued by the people of Israel, and purchased the potter's field, as the LORD directed." References are then given to the Old Testament: Zech 11:12-13; Jer 32:6-9.

Nowhere in the Matthew text does it mention Judas's name at all, let alone Judas "acquiring" the field. The Matthew account is clear that the Jews bought the field, not Judas.

Anyway . . . if I"m wrong I'd love to know so I can get my notes straightened out. Again, I know that this is off of your topic, and so am thankful that you've entertained it. I enjoy this kind of stuff. haha

Although it was purchased by the priests it was paid for by Judas' money and so it would be legally have been bought by Judas.

 

[DADZ]

You are doing what you are saying others are doing.

First, the word of God must be taught as a foundational truth and seen as the infallible, inerrant word of God. Written man Authored by God through the Holy Spirit. We focus on sin Because it is what God hates. And teach the eternal condition of man if not repented, surrendered to Christ and received salvation which is the food news.

The Gospel message is love that was DEMONSTRATED in the Vicarious Death of the Lord Jesus on the Christ.

His death Burial and Resurrection were all done for OUR SIN and OUR Eternal life.

There is no forward without repentance, surrendering your life, and receiving salvation. None of it can happen until one deals with the sin that God will never accept. WE all must be washed in the blood of Jesus.

YOU HAVE NO CLUE

 

[DADZ]

The entire Bible is the infallible theopnuestos Word of God.

When God chose Moses to begin writing, all of that which Moses wrote in the Torah was God-breathed. The same goes for the Nevi'im and Ketuvim, and the 27 books we call the New Testament.

When God chose Abraham, God was exercising HIS sovereign authority in deciding to use a fallible human being to be the bearer of light to the nations of the world so that all would know there a God of salvation. All that Abraham's seed had to do was be faithfully obedient to our one true God and become light to the nations to draw the people of the world back to God.

Israel did not fulfill its purpose, so God became human to be that light in an effort to provoke Israel to fulfill its purpose. When Israel rejected the light, God partly blinded them and gave His disciples the power to be the witnesses to the light and become the vehicle by which the light would go out to the nations.

All of what comprises the written Bible (New and Old) is God breathed, and God was the one who taught His apostles and disciples in the Church age what to teach and what to write. And the New Testament writers tell us that we must repent, turn from our sins, put our faith and trust in our Blessed Hope the risen Christ, share the gospel message with the lost and the afraid, stop practicing sin, but confess our sins when we do fall into sin, and press forward in the race to everlasting glory by loving and obeying God and others created in His image.

Jesus is our rest, He fulfilled the ceremonial law by his unblemished atoning sacrificial death, and became our Blessed Hope by His death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus commands all that follow Him to FOLLOW His example, which means to turn from sin.

YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE EITHER. DO U EVEN KNOW HOW IT WAS DECIDED WHICH BOOKS TO INCLUDE?

 

[DADZ]

WHAT?

SORRY, CANT HEAR YOU

 

[DADZ]

Although it was purchased by the priests it was paid for by Judas' money and so it would be legally have been bought by Judas.

AMEN BRO

 

[DADZ]

I wouldn't let Gideon get under your skin again. Just say something like, "Thanks for setting me straight" and walk away.

NAH, IM NOT LETTING HIM GET UNDER MY SKIN. IM NEW HERE AND I HAVE BEEN TO ENOUGH FORUMS TO LEARN THAT AFTER A SHORT BIT OF TIME, YOU FIND OUT WHO THE PEOPLE ARE WHO DONT EVEN CONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Although it was purchased by the priests it was paid for by Judas' money and so it would be legally have been bought by Judas.

So if I throw my monies as bad people, and they take that money and pay for prostitutes, I would be held liable for prostitution?

Reaching . . . we're reaching Billy!

Good to see you. It's been a while, sir.

 

[CS1]

SORRY, CANT HEAR YOU

Troll

 

[Jocund]

Here's the scoop:

Acts 1:18 NASB20 - "(Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out."

Compared to:

Matthew 27:3-10 NLT - "When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and the elders. 4 "I have sinned," he declared, "for I have betrayed an innocent man." "What do we care?" they retorted. "That's your problem." 5 Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself. 6 The leading priests picked up the coins. "It wouldn't be right to put this money in the Temple treasury," they said, "since it was payment for murder." 7 After some discussion they finally decided to buy the potter's field, and they made it into a cemetery for foreigners. 8 That is why the field is still called the Field of Blood. 9 This fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that says, "They took the thirty pieces of silver--the price at which he was valued by the people of Israel, 10 and purchased the potter's field, as the LORD directed."

And here are my notes on the matter - I hope they're accurate.

How can this be? - If Luke's accounting is correct in Acts, then it means that the discussion that Matthew clearly presents . . . is all made up. And since it is likely that Matthew has made up this conversation, it then means that according to Matthew, Dr. Luke doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about. We know that the Matthew account is correct because it outlines that . . . what the Jews did actually fulfilled prophesy. Matthew 27:9-10 NLT - "This fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that says, "They took the thirty pieces of silver--the price at which he was valued by the people of Israel, and purchased the potter's field, as the LORD directed." References are then given to the Old Testament: Zech 11:12-13; Jer 32:6-9.

Nowhere in the Matthew text does it mention Judas's name at all, let alone Judas "acquiring" the field. The Matthew account is clear that the Jews bought the field, not Judas.

Anyway . . . if I"m wrong I'd love to know so I can get my notes straightened out. Again, I know that this is off of your topic, and so am thankful that you've entertained it. I enjoy this kind of stuff. haha

Why do you see this as a contradiction?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Why do you see this as a contradiction?

I thought I explained it. I can copy and paste my own words if you'd like . . . but that seems rather elementary.

Edit - But now that I see that you've given me a "red X" only to then ask me to explain; I refuse to do so.

 

[DADZ]

Although it was purchased by the priests it was paid for by Judas' money and so it would be legally have been bought by Judas.

and another passage says he hung himself?

 

[DADZ]

So if I throw my monies as bad people, and they take that money and pay for prostitutes, I would be held liable for prostitution?

Reaching . . . we're reaching Billy!

Good to see you. It's been a while, sir.

why would you care, YOOUR DEAD lol

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

why would you care, YOOUR DEAD lol

Well, no . . . I'm not dead. In fact, I've been made alive by the Circumcision of Christ. See Colossians 2:9-15.

 

[pottersclay]

So was it temple money...or roman money?

 

[pottersclay]

1. So was it temple money...or roman money? Why was the money considered defiled? What does scripture say about a man hung upon a tree?
2. Better yet why would judas burst open and what does that mean?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

1. So was it temple money...or roman money? Why was the money considered defiled? What does scripture say about a man hung upon a tree?
2. Better yet why would judas burst open and what does that mean?

I love the points and questions you've put forth . . . a lot. I'd love to hear your ideas on the matter.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I know that this isn't what your post is about (and sorry for that), but after looking at the two accounts of Potters Field, I can no longer say that the NT is infallible. Or, perhaps humans mistranslated the original text . . . of which I would not know as I am not a "scholar."

Just because different writers present different aspects of the same event does not mean that there was an error or a mistranslation. So since you brought this up why don't we try to harmonize the accounts.

1. In Matthew we read that Judas cast down the thirty pieces of silver in the temple and went and hanged himself (with no further comment). The chief priests refused to take the money back but purchased the potter's field with it, so that "strangers" (presumably non-Jews) could be buried there (similar to Boot Hill for outlaws in the Wild West). And because it was blood money, the field was called Akeldama (the Field of Blood) in Aramaic.

2. Mark simply states that Judas went to chief priests to betray Christ.

3. Luke says that Judas went to the chief priests and captains, and they covenanted to give him money.

4. John says that the devil put it into the heart of Judas to betray Christ. So after Christ fed Judas a morsel, Satan entered into him, and Christ sent him on his way to do what he planned to do. (Jesus knew all this in advance).

5. In Acts Peter said that it was Judas who purchased the field. But that would simply be because the money belonged to Judas. However Peter also said that Judas fell headlong and burst asunder in the midst of the field, and his intestines gushed out. Therefore we must conclude that after Akeldama was purchased, Judas heard about it, went to visit it, hanged himself in that field (presumably from a tree standing there), and when he died he fell to the earth and his abdomen was injured very seriously (perhaps impaled by a sharp rock).

 

[Nehemiah6]

So was it temple money...or roman money? Why was the money considered defiled? What does scripture say about a man hung upon a tree? Better yet why would judas burst open and what does that mean?

Please see post #39. It was technically Greek money (probably the drachma or didrachma).