about the baker who lost business when sued by "gays"

[JesusWhereRU]

Why can't they bake cakes? Whether they should or shouldn't is their choice, and no one can forbid it. I'm investing in different companies now, too, even though I should be just buying up stocks. The United States and the European Union are experiencing considerable financial difficulties in meeting their public budgets and are using their influence in the world to create a new world order based on their economic interests. All these changes and the struggle for the global financial redistribution factorforyou.com flows do not benefit international business development. Despite the declared "improvements," it is faced with new administrative and tax barriers. In the case of the bakers, the same thing is happening - they are taking advantageous investment positions to get extra income

I'm afraid I don't understand...

 

[JerryInBoston]

Because it is an opportunity to tell people that we love them, regardless of what their Sin Nature is like. The Sin Nature is the Sin Nature, and though Jesus has cut out my Old Sinful Nature, that doesn't mean that I cannot express my understanding for the dilemma that "they" undergo. Just because my old Sin Nature didn't cause me to desire same sex relationships, doesn't mean that I was any more wrong by sleeping with several women in the same week . . . all unprotected. Romans 7 clearly teaches that the Sinful Way of a person is not the person themselves . . . but it is something else.

Romans 7:17, 20 KJV - "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ... 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

Forgiveness is easy when we view sin in this way. No one can help but sinning until Christ removes that Sinful State of "man."

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. ... 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

Until the Sinful Nature is cut away and removed, we must show the world that we Love them with the Love of Christ. Christ died for all, so we must share His Love with all. No exceptions . . . get to it "Christians"!

Love does not require approval or affirmation, not even tacitly.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Love does not require approval or affirmation, not even tacitly.

And the True Love that I, or perhaps we, are referring to, is a Holy Love that does not come from ourselves, but from above. It is a Love that we cannot stop, nor can it be controlled. It is a Love for all people, for through this Love comes the understanding that I was once just as horrible as anyone else. I was a sinner without a Heart Circumcised by Christ. The only way to possess this Holy Love is to have received the Circumcision of Christ . . . the lifting of the Veil of Confusion; the Adamic Curse, the Sinful Nature . . . whatever we want to call it. And once this Curse is removed by Christ, True Love will begin to come alive within our Hearts . . . and we will become Transformed. We will become New People. We will become True Children of God.

 

[JerryInBoston]

When the lgbt's do to businesses run by Christian conservatives what they are doing to Philips' bakery, they are doing it to force the business out of business. Even when there is a gay baker just down the street ready, wiling, and able to bake a gay cake to specs. Giving in is not an option. Loving our enemies does not require approving of or affirming their tactics against us.

 

[JerryInBoston]

And the True Love that I, or perhaps we, are referring to, is a Holy Love that does not come from ourselves, but from above. It is a Love that we cannot stop, nor can it be controlled. It is a Love for all people, for through this Love comes the understanding that I was once just as horrible as anyone else. I was a sinner without a Heart Circumcised by Christ. The only way to possess this Holy Love is to have received the Circumcision of Christ . . . the lifting of the Veil of Confusion; the Adamic Curse, the Sinful Nature . . . whatever we want to call it. And once this Curse is removed by Christ, True Love will begin to come alive within our Hearts . . . and we will become Transformed. We will become New People. We will become True Children of God.

Yet if my enemy asks me to sin, or to join them in celebrating their sin, I must lovingly decline, and lovingly explain to them why I must decline, which is exactly what Jack Philips did.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Yet if my enemy asks me to sin, or to join them in celebrating their sin, I must lovingly decline, and lovingly explain to them why I must decline, which is exactly what Jack Philips did.

Baking a cake so as to reach a soul is the least thing I could do. Jesus died for me when I was a sinner. Baking a cake is ridiculously easy and simple.

1 Corinthians 9:22 NIV - "To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some."

I dunno . . . seems pretty simple for me to understand.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Baking a cake so as to reach a soul is the least thing I could do. Jesus died for me when I was a sinner. Baking a cake is ridiculously easy and simple.

1 Corinthians 9:22 NIV - "To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some."

I dunno . . . seems pretty simple for me to understand.

If it were only that simple, but it's not, and it wasn't for Philips and other business owners who have been targeted by lgbt's with the specific intent of creating a hostile public image against them, with the accompanying leftist atheist media campaign that bullies Christians simply because of their faith. Philips offered his baked goods to all the lgbt's that harassed him, but they all refused because they wanted specific and explicit lgbt themed decorations. But, yeah, go ahead and coddle those in league with the devil. The demonic atheists love it when so-called Christians band with the lgbt's and atheist leftists in the media against the good-faith conscientious objections of faithful Christians.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

If it were only that simple, but it's not, and it wasn't for Philips and other business owners who have been targeted by lgbt's with the specific intent of creating a hostile public image against them, with the accompanying leftist atheist media campaign that bullies Christians simply because of their faith. Philips offered his baked goods to all the lgbt's that harassed him, but they all refused because they wanted specific and explicit lgbt themed decorations. But, yeah, go ahead and coddle those in league with the devil. The demonic atheists love it when so-called Christians band with the lgbt's and atheist leftists in the media against the good-faith conscientious objections of faithful Christians.

Oh, good grief.

 

[surfer14]

If it were only that simple, but it's not, and it wasn't for Philips and other business owners who have been targeted by lgbt's with the specific intent of creating a hostile public image against them, with the accompanying leftist atheist media campaign that bullies Christians simply because of their faith. Philips offered his baked goods to all the lgbt's that harassed him, but they all refused because they wanted specific and explicit lgbt themed decorations. But, yeah, go ahead and coddle those in league with the devil. The demonic atheists love it when so-called Christians band with the lgbt's and atheist leftists in the media against the good-faith conscientious objections of faithful Christians.

Right, I'm not sure if Tim understands that the cakes that they were requesting are totally disgusting. Beyond X rated. I'm not sure if Tim is saying he'd just bake a regular cake, or if he'd bake the cakes as requested - complete with squirting sex toys and images of satan.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Right, I'm not sure if Tim understands that the cakes that they were requesting are totally disgusting. Beyond X rated. I'm not sure if Tim is saying he'd just bake a regular cake, or if he'd bake the cakes as requested - complete with squirting sex toys and images of satan.

What you don't understand is that I am simply relaying what would have done, and what Paul teaches that we do. I don't know a thing about that case other than what you all are speculating about . . . and I don't care . . . at . . . all . . . what those details are.

Do you understand, or will you people continue to rake me over the coals for my simple opinion? Good grief . . . "christians" are the most judgemental people on the planet.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Oh, good grief.

Unfortunately, our brother in Christ, Jack Philips (and others), has been put through lots of grief over his defense of the faith. Not too good, really. I'm certain that the trials he's been put through have made him stronger. God bless him and all others standing up to the cancel-Christians crowd.

 

[PaulNew]

I was relieved when I heard that theSupreme Court, which I had almost come to despise, made the correct decision in the baker case..

A baker named Phillips in CO had to deal with "gay people" demanding that he bake them a cake for their same sex wedding and he refused bc of his Christians beliefs on gay marriage. (I put "gay" in quotes attimes bc I don't believe in being gay, don't believe anyone is born gay.. its nonsense)

So the Supreme Ct voted in favor of religious freedom... whew... They've made a lot of bad decisions b4 butthis was not one of them.

So then a transgendered person thought he (she?) would do the samething to the same guy! Unbelievable.

Phillips had lost 40% of his business over thefirst lawsuit, fighting some (city?) Commission that ordered him not to make certain kinds of cakes anymore... So much for "it's a free country"...

anyway, the transgendered person at some point dropped the suit

I just thought I would share this w/ others who may not know about it..

sigh

[nostalgic sigh for the good old days when hardly anyone claimed to be "gay"]

In the eyes of God, a person who is gay is no more sick than a person who eats ice-cream.

 

[JerryInBoston]

In the eyes of God, a person who is gay is no more sick than a person who eats ice-cream.

All are sinners, but most don't go around celebrating their sin.

 

[surfer14]

In the eyes of God, a person who is gay is no more sick than a person who eats ice-cream.

Maybe you're right.....

Leviticus 18:22
“You shall not eat ice cream; it is an abomination.”

Leviticus 20:13
"If any one eats ice cream they have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them."

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

All are sinners, but most don't go around celebrating their sin.

That's right. "Christians" go around hiding it. I've seen and been a part of remarkable sin within the church than most want to acknowledge and admit.

 

[JerryInBoston]

That's right. "Christians" go around hiding it. I've seen and been a part of remarkable sin within the church than most want to acknowledge and admit.

I don't know any Christian who believes their sins are hidden. We know for certain that God know every graphic detail of what sins we commit.

Christians will, however, openly confess, repent of their sins, seek forgiveness from those we've offended, be convicted in our heart to refrain from sinning, and have confident assurance that our advocate has forgiven us and cleansed us of all unrighteousness. Those that claim to be in the Way that don't have the foregoing in their lives, news flash: they're impostors.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Christians will, however, openly confess, repent of their sins, seek forgiveness from those we've offended

My "Christian" family (and former "Christian" friends never did that for me, and we're talking about preachers, elders, preachers wives, preachers daughters, missionaries, etc. My childhood boy scout molester was infinitely more kind and gentle than the aforementioned "family" members who claim to be "servants of the lord." Sure . . . which "lord"?

 

[JerryInBoston]

My "Christian" family (and former "Christian" friends never did that for me, and we're talking about preachers, elders, preachers wives, preachers daughters, missionaries, etc. My childhood boy scout molester was infinitely more kind and gentle than the aforementioned "family" members who claim to be "servants of the lord." Sure . . . which "lord"?

Lots of folk claim the title "Christian", but their hearts are nowhere near the Lord. That includes preachers, elders, preachers wives, preachers daughters, missionaries, etc. Jesus warns us to beware. Some are easy to spot, others fit nicely and neatly into their sheeps costumes and fool many.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Lots of folk claim the title "Christian", but their hearts are nowhere near the Lord. That includes preachers, elders, preachers wives, preachers daughters, missionaries, etc. Jesus warns us to beware. Some are easy to spot, others fit nicely and neatly into their sheeps costumes and fool many.

I'd rather hand out with gay people than hypocritical "christians." Jesus felt the exact same way about the Sadducees, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law. I loathe "Christian" hypocrites . . . they are the LAST people I want to hang out with.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I'd rather hand out with gay people than hypocritical "christians." Jesus felt the exact same way about the Sadducees, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law. I loathe "Christian" hypocrites . . . they are the LAST people I want to hang out with.

Do yourself a favor: go in the bathroom, look in the mirror and directly into the eyes of the one you see, and tell that person what you just stated here: "I loathe "Christian" hypocrites . . . they are the LAST people I want to hang out with."