The Law

[Jackson123]

We save not by OT law but NT rule.

NT rule sometime harder

Matt 5

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

OT say not commit adultery if so it will stone to death
How people know if we commit adultery in our heart?
So adultery in our heart will not stone to death

In New rule, Jesus say looking women with lust is adultery, harder.

And another verse say

1 cor 6:9
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Paul that say salvation by grace also say adulterer not go to heaven, not stone to death but go to hell.

What is that mean?

Mean by grace doesn't mean not by faith and doesn't mean we can do what ever we want as long as believe Jesus as God we save. Faith without work is dead

We may not agree with this verse but we don't have the power to change it

 

[crossnote]

1. Moses never create law, so law of Moses is only nick name of the law of God.

Perhaps he didn’t create it, but then again…

John 1:17 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[crossnote]

We save not by OT law but NT rule.

We are saved by our Savior Jesus Christ.

Acts 4:12 KJV
[12] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[H3n0515]

Galatians 2:19-21

 

[Jackson123]

Perhaps he didn’t create it, but then again…

John 1:17 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John and Jesus call it Moses law, but it is only to make easier to remember, but if we read ot how the law origins, we know God talk to Moses and Moses only follow what He say

 

[H3n0515]

Galatians 4:21-31

This says we are not under the law...

Christians are not supposed to be concerned with the physical Jerusalem

The word means place of bliss... it is a mental state

 

[H3n0515]

Islam is Ishmaels nation... and is centered in the country of mount sanai... weird

 

[Jackson123]

We are saved by our Savior Jesus Christ.

Acts 4:12 KJV
[12] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus save us, but He not save without His rule

His rule is john3:16

Whosoever believe

Believe Him mean believe His teaching, His teaching is to Love God and fellow man

Do you believe you save if you hate God?
You may believe so, but not what Jesus say

 

[H3n0515]

The children of Sarah are free...

If you want the law you are a child of Hagar

 

[H3n0515]

Some versions translate Sarah as "promise" because that's what it means...

Context matters

 

[H3n0515]

Indeed, those who say Jesus didn't die are the ones under the law...

Islam says Allah killed him not

Jesus didn't die for nothing, it was just a trick

 

[Jackson123]

The children of Sarah are free...

If you want the law you are a child of Hagar

What do you mean by free?
Free to do what ever you want and still save?
Paul say if you do fornicator etc you not inherit the kingdom

As a. Sinner I wish I am free doing adultery and inherit the kingdom. But not what this verse say
1 cor 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

 

[H3n0515]

What do you mean by free?
Free to do what ever you want and still save?
Paul say if you do fornicator etc you not inherit the kingdom

As a. Sinner I wish I am free doing adultery and inherit the kingdom. But not what this verse say
1 cor 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Read Galatians and come back to the conversation

In context, Free means under the covenant of Abraham rather than Moses.

Muhammad is one like unto Moses... because he puts you under the Law if you do not have the Spirit

 

[oyster67]

Context matters

Roger that.

 

[Jackson123]

Read Galatians and come back to the conversation

In context, Free means under the covenant of Abraham rather than Moses.

Muhammad is one like unto Moses... because he puts you under the Law if you do not have the Spirit

Islam is salvation by doing good, if your good more than your sin you are save

Under Jesus rule salvation by grace through faith

As soon as you accept Jesus and die the next second you save

But if you still life, your faith will bear fruits, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy etc
Good work is not the requirement of salvation but fruit or by product of salvation

That is way Paul say

1 for 6:9
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Not because not commit adultery save you, but if you save, Holy Spirit will lead you to bear good fruit.

 

[H3n0515]

As soon as you accept Jesus and die the next second you save

There is actually a process involved in salvation, see Acts 19... they believe and have faith but still do not have the Spirit...

It is not automatic, but the West has forgotten this.

 

[H3n0515]

The rest I agree, yes

 

[H3n0515]

This grace is an answer to the prayer of John 17:20-26

You have to be open to this oneness though

 

[Jackson123]

There is actually a process involved in salvation, see Acts 19... they believe and have faith but still do not have the Spirit...

It is not automatic, but the West has forgotten this.

Yep, we need Holy Spirit to help us, guide as to do His will, we the branch will not bear fruit of itself, need to abide on Him than He make us to bear fruits

 

[oyster67]

There is actually a process involved in salvation, see Acts 19... they believe and have faith but still do not have the Spirit...

It is not automatic, but the West has forgotten this.

Many of us believe that the Holy Spirit indwells all at the moment we are born again. This makes a personal relationship immediately available to all.