The natural man as described in 1 Cor 2:14 will not, and even can not choose to obey spiritual things that he can not discern. Only those that God has given the new Spiritual life will choose to obey him.
predestination vs freewill
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The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, will never choose to serve a Spiritual God that he can not discern, until God has given him the new birth and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html
Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.
Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).
Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).
Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).
After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff
Read 10 Commandments for a list.
Bottom link is gospel.
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-are-all-sins-except-christian-stuff.199651/
You should not use a human practice to explain a biblical concept.
Where do you think that mankind came up with the right way to adopt children, if not from the biblical example?
I believe you have the Holy Spirits introduction to a person at the wrong time.. The person Must first Believe and accept Jesus as LORD and Messiah and then the Holy Spirit comes into them ( indwelling) as in the baptism of the Holy Spirit..
The Holy Spirit starts to work upon an individual before this event, ( from the outside if you like) moving them before they actually make the decision to accept the Word of God.. The Holy Spirit causes the lost individual to be convicted by preaching of the Gospel..
Proverbs 3:5-6. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding...
It's as simple and as complicated as that.
Perhaps this is one of the things that cannot be understood with our human intellect.
Free will is Satanic. The moment we have to choose, we are not with God. When we are with God we do not need to choose; we know what the righteous path is and don’t even doubt it. When we are rooted in Chist there are no choices to make.
Perhaps there is predestination, and free will in our lives is also predestined. God has control over Satan and puts a limit to how much Satan can test us. Also, Satan will end up in Hell despite of his free will to disobey God. Free will puts us under trials and as a result, our faith is strengthened, because we are predestined to know God.
Free will is Satanic. The moment we have to choose, we are not with God. When we are with God we do not need to choose; we know what the righteous path is and don’t even doubt it. When we are rooted in Chist there are no choices to make.
Perhaps there is predestination, and free will in our lives is also predestined. God has control over Satan and puts a limit to how much Satan can test us. Also, Satan will end up in Hell despite of his free will to disobey God. Free will puts us under trials and as a result, our faith is strengthened, because we are predestined to know God.
Sin does not necessitate free will
You are acting from a divisive mind because you believe divisive things
That is why you have to be shown unity
Quantum field theory describes everything that has or will ever happen
You are something happening
Your actions are necessarily going to be shaped by what you interact with
Repent means return
Stop separating yourself from God
You are acting from a divisive mind because you believe divisive things
That is why you have to be shown unity
Quantum field theory describes everything that has or will ever happen
You are something happening
Your actions are necessarily going to be shaped by what you interact with
Repent means return
Stop separating yourself from God
Imagine all the possible genetic outcomes in the world. Now imagine God knowing in advance your specific genetic make-up. Daunting, to say the least.
Imagine this: How does a child from Nigeria and a child from America, the two enjoying their respective childhood neighborhood playgrounds at the same time, come together and form a friendship, when for twenty years the two were separated by oceans, continents, time zones, and cultures that neither of them could have ever imagined would be a bridge to their ultimate marriage. God knows. It's as simple and as complicated as that.
Imagine this: How does a child from Nigeria and a child from America, the two enjoying their respective childhood neighborhood playgrounds at the same time, come together and form a friendship, when for twenty years the two were separated by oceans, continents, time zones, and cultures that neither of them could have ever imagined would be a bridge to their ultimate marriage. God knows. It's as simple and as complicated as that.
Predestination only concerns the church, it does not concern even salvation per se. God chose us [the church] in Christ before the world began to be a people for the praise of His glorious grace.
Paul says it beautifully when he says "all things work together for good for those who love the Lord and are called to His purposes"
It does not matter whether you had cornflakes for breakfast this morning or wheatabix, whether you cleaned your teeth or not [I hope you did] whether you missed your bus ... predestination has nothing to do that [unless God wants it to] but whatever happens it will work together with everything else for good.
Precious friend, correct! Only The Body Of CHRIST, And, also, don't forget:
Rom 8:29-30:
"For whom HE Did Foreknow, HE also did predestinate to be conformed to
the image of His SON, that HE might be The Firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom HE did predestinate, them HE also called: and whom HE
called, them HE also justified: and whom HE justified, them HE also glorified."
What A Wonderful And Great God we serve, eh?
Be Blessed!
S
SophieT
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let's see now
so if we CHOOSE to accept Christ we are satanic?
plenty of Calvinism vs not Calvinism threads round here these parts but that is the first time I have read choice expressed as a devilish act
huh
S
SophieT
Guest
oh sorry. I just thought this deserved its own answer
we make choices all day long. there is no such things as no choices to make. the Bible says the opposite.
where on earth do you get this view of things from?
Before we are saved we may make choices but we do not have the power or ability to act upon our choice, we have a will but it is not free but it is in bondage . Paul says we were slaves to sin, in bondage to elemental spirits.
Jesus must set us free before we can act upon any choice we may make towards God and the salvation He offers.
If we are saved Jesus has set us free, not to do our own will but to do of His good will ... before we were saved this was impossible.