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I am sure God is very threatened by us
confusing your posts are and now you argue with scripture while saying I am doing it
senseless rhetoric and unconnected to anything I post. becoming quite a habit with you actually
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin. Romans 3
confusing your posts are and now you argue with scripture while saying I am doing it
senseless rhetoric and unconnected to anything I post. becoming quite a habit with you actually
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin. Romans 3
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the law was removed and taken away at the cross, it would mean that no one today is guilty of sin.
That would mean no one needs salvation today (no law = no sin).
If we are under the law we are guilty of sin.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
This tells me that i have been under the law at some point, i can admit that i'm guilty of sin and need a saviour to forgive me today.
If you have sinned you must have been under the law at some point.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
We are justified by faith and set free from the guilt of the sin. Because Jesus kept the law perfectly, and gave His life for ours, we can have full justification and the law does not hold us guilty.
But does that mean the law does not exist?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
If the law was removed and taken away at the cross, it would mean that no one today is guilty of sin.
That would mean no one needs salvation today (no law = no sin).
If we are under the law we are guilty of sin.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
This tells me that i have been under the law at some point, i can admit that i'm guilty of sin and need a saviour to forgive me today.
If you have sinned you must have been under the law at some point.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
We are justified by faith and set free from the guilt of the sin. Because Jesus kept the law perfectly, and gave His life for ours, we can have full justification and the law does not hold us guilty.
But does that mean the law does not exist?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
True... To love God would be to ......
have no other gods before Him.
not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,
not bow down thyself to other god, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
And to love your neighbour as yourself would be to.....
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
not kill.
not commit adultery.
not steal.
not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
not covet thy neighbour's house, and not covet thy neighbour's wife.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
have no other gods before Him.
not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,
not bow down thyself to other god, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
And to love your neighbour as yourself would be to.....
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
not kill.
not commit adultery.
not steal.
not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
not covet thy neighbour's house, and not covet thy neighbour's wife.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Hebrews 8:13 NLT - "When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear."
What's going on? I used to understand the things you wrote, but now I find you to be perplexing. Are you saying that the Old Law that "will soon disappear" still exists? How does something disappear yet still exist? Here's the KJV translation . . . says the exact same thing:
Hebrews 8:13 KJV - "In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away."
How does something vanish away yet still exist?
What's going on? I used to understand the things you wrote, but now I find you to be perplexing. Are you saying that the Old Law that "will soon disappear" still exists? How does something disappear yet still exist? Here's the KJV translation . . . says the exact same thing:
Hebrews 8:13 KJV - "In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away."
How does something vanish away yet still exist?
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Can you see that the ten commandments themself are actually going to create 'the law of love'?
every single one points to putting others before yourself with God as your source for accomplishing that
THAT, is why Jesus summed them up the way He did
I mean this is the gospel 101 and yet so many just cannot grasp it and think Galatians was written by Paul when he was in a bad mood
every single one points to putting others before yourself with God as your source for accomplishing that
THAT, is why Jesus summed them up the way He did
I mean this is the gospel 101 and yet so many just cannot grasp it and think Galatians was written by Paul when he was in a bad mood
Ephesians 2:14-16 ESV - "For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
Romans 4:15 NLT - "For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)"
For there to be "no law to break" the Law must be removed. To those who have received the Circumcision of Christ, they can testify of these things. Now . . . where are they? Ahhhh . . . the "Remnant." The Remant is a very, very small group of people who travel the Narrow Gate.
For there to be "no law to break" the Law must be removed. To those who have received the Circumcision of Christ, they can testify of these things. Now . . . where are they? Ahhhh . . . the "Remnant." The Remant is a very, very small group of people who travel the Narrow Gate.
A set of Laws specifically for the Blessed Jewish community and not of the Gentiles nor for those of the Seven Nations. But I would add that a True Jew, or Christian, is set apart (a Nazarene) from all worldly laws and ideas that bring condemnation. Jesus sets us free from being judged by worldly laws so that we will be judged by unfailing, Spiritual Laws.
You have copied just some of Paul's explanations, there are many. Usually these verses have the phrase "God forbid". . Rom. 3:4, 3:31, 6:2, 6:15, 7:7, 9:14, 1 Cor 6:15, Gal. 2:17, Gal. 6:14. All these verses uphold the law.
I feel sure it is all quite simple, and Paul makes something simple quite involved. There is a scripture saying Paul is hard to understand.
The Lord took back his commands to perform some physical rites that were shadows of the law as tutors to help people know the spirit of the law, and Christians often use these to say that God cancelled something major. But the spirit of the law is eternal, we can rely on these as truth. As an example, cutting flesh is cancelled but circumcision of the heart is eternal.
I feel sure it is all quite simple, and Paul makes something simple quite involved. There is a scripture saying Paul is hard to understand.
The Lord took back his commands to perform some physical rites that were shadows of the law as tutors to help people know the spirit of the law, and Christians often use these to say that God cancelled something major. But the spirit of the law is eternal, we can rely on these as truth. As an example, cutting flesh is cancelled but circumcision of the heart is eternal.
before Sinai....
Jacob understood that idols were sinful and only the true God was to be worshipped. He understood the commands that later were called the First and Second Commandments. Genesis 35:1-4
Job was concerned that his children might have been taking God’s name in vain, and he knew that was wrong. Job 1:5
You can only “remember” something that already existed. To “remember the Sabbath” is to recall something that was established earlier.
The Sabbath day goes all the way back to the early chapters of the book of Genesis! “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” Genesis 2:3.
Both Jacob and Esau had dishonoured their parents, but Jacob finally did obey. Genesis 28:6-7
Cain’s anger led to the sin of murder. God cursed Cain for his cold-blooded act. But God also forbade others from murdering him. Gen 4:6-15.
God’s command against murder existed long before it was codified as the Sixth Commandment on Mount Sinai. Gen 6, 9.
Joseph called the very idea of adultery “wickedness” and a “sin against God.” He clearly understood God’s command forbidding adultery. Gen 20:3.
Stealing was apparently on Jacob’s mind when he discussed his wages with Laban.
“will be considered stolen, if it is with me” (Genesis 30:33).
When Joseph framed his brothers for stealing his silver cup, Genesis 44:9.
These individuals, all living hundreds of years before Moses, seemed to understand that stealing was a sin.
Satan the devil contradicted God and told Adam and Eve a blatant lie: “You will not surely die” Genesis 3:4
This lead to all the sin in the world.
Job also knew that deceit was a sin against God: “If I have walked with falsehood, or if my foot has hastened to deceit, let me be weighed on honest scales, that God may know my integrity” Job 31:5-6)
Eve saw and desired (coveted) the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Genesis 3:6
Job also understood that coveting was sin: Job 31:9, 11
some things don't change and the 10 commandments were given to Israel at Saini but that doesn't mean they didn't already exist.
It is important that i don't murder or take the lords name in vain today and i'm not an Israelite.
Jacob understood that idols were sinful and only the true God was to be worshipped. He understood the commands that later were called the First and Second Commandments. Genesis 35:1-4
Job was concerned that his children might have been taking God’s name in vain, and he knew that was wrong. Job 1:5
You can only “remember” something that already existed. To “remember the Sabbath” is to recall something that was established earlier.
The Sabbath day goes all the way back to the early chapters of the book of Genesis! “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” Genesis 2:3.
Both Jacob and Esau had dishonoured their parents, but Jacob finally did obey. Genesis 28:6-7
Cain’s anger led to the sin of murder. God cursed Cain for his cold-blooded act. But God also forbade others from murdering him. Gen 4:6-15.
God’s command against murder existed long before it was codified as the Sixth Commandment on Mount Sinai. Gen 6, 9.
Joseph called the very idea of adultery “wickedness” and a “sin against God.” He clearly understood God’s command forbidding adultery. Gen 20:3.
Stealing was apparently on Jacob’s mind when he discussed his wages with Laban.
“will be considered stolen, if it is with me” (Genesis 30:33).
When Joseph framed his brothers for stealing his silver cup, Genesis 44:9.
These individuals, all living hundreds of years before Moses, seemed to understand that stealing was a sin.
Satan the devil contradicted God and told Adam and Eve a blatant lie: “You will not surely die” Genesis 3:4
This lead to all the sin in the world.
Job also knew that deceit was a sin against God: “If I have walked with falsehood, or if my foot has hastened to deceit, let me be weighed on honest scales, that God may know my integrity” Job 31:5-6)
Eve saw and desired (coveted) the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Genesis 3:6
Job also understood that coveting was sin: Job 31:9, 11
some things don't change and the 10 commandments were given to Israel at Saini but that doesn't mean they didn't already exist.
It is important that i don't murder or take the lords name in vain today and i'm not an Israelite.
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Two pages?? That’s all?
the law is a few books in length and you only have two pages? What a joke
it does not matter anyway,
paul said, what purpose does law serve.
your argument is with hm.
and thanks for proving me right, as I said, you attempt to be a teacher of the law. Yet you have no understanding of it (2 pages????
the law is a few books in length and you only have two pages? What a joke
it does not matter anyway,
paul said, what purpose does law serve.
your argument is with hm.
and thanks for proving me right, as I said, you attempt to be a teacher of the law. Yet you have no understanding of it (2 pages????
Yes Paul has much to say about this topic, but people seem to only read what suits them.
And true the law is spiritual, It is about our hearts, Having the law written on our hearts like Jesus.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And true the law is spiritual, It is about our hearts, Having the law written on our hearts like Jesus.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: