How do you know it wasn't done by witchcraft?

[Runningman]

I see many of you are as I was in my teens and early twenties, a mediocre Christian, going about your life in your own little bubble, not knowing what's going on around you in the spirit world.
Many of you I would say are secular or carnally minded Christians.
I say that because many of the so-called, believers, look to the natural world and reasoning to explain away every ailment and situation.
I would like to tell you some of what I and my family have been going through for the past year.
After being married for 32 years to the same woman, wouldn't you think I would know just about everything there is to know about my wife? The fact is, I do.
My wife is a very special and precious no nonsense woman of prayer. She is almost always in prayer because she doesn't need to work. So while she is in prayer many times she will see things in the spirit world.
She also has very accurate dreams of what people are doing behind closed doors or in secret In other words, I see my wife as a very godly woman.
So what do you think that would do to me, her husband, when I watched her go from about 135 lbs down to 95 lbs, close to skin and bones, due to severe nausea, stomach pains, and diarrhea, in just a few short months after my daughter started dating a guy?
But it doesn't end there. All those who contacted my wife and I, also got the very same thing, and we never told them anything about what my wife was going through. My mother-in-law, who is wheelchair bound and 87 years of age, stop calling our house because she knew where it was coming from. My wife was having a very hard time so it would be even worse for her mother to go through the same thing, only being wheelchair or bed bound. And when I say severe it was very very severe. If you had diarrhea and you went to the bathroom seven times and a half an hour and do that all day and night, depriving her of sleep at night, and throwing up every time the smallest amount of anything went in your mouth including water, I would call that severe, wouldn't you?
But it didn't stop there to where it went to other people either.
Let's go to the part where my wife... Well, there's a disagreement between my son and I, where he thinks she died but I'm not so sure. Either way, we both were calling her spirit back into her body, as there was no one there while her eyes were wide open, after she collapsed on the floor.
She did recover from that incident but then it happened again, and again, and a fourth time. While each time was getting worse and worse. After the second time it wasn't my wife who came back but a spirit speaking through her. Only it was not a good spirit and it did not have nice things to say but it did spill its guts, so to speak. It told us its name, who sent it, what they were doing, why they were attacking my wife, which by the way, was because she was protecting my daughter spiritually from the very spirit speaking out of her, which called itself, soul snatcher. That's what its name was, and it was sent by a gathering or covin of witches. It told us that. Also told us it was her boyfriend who sent it to kill my wife, and then said, I was next. All the while we are casting this thing out of my wife, this thing is laughing at us through my wife. We did this three times. And the reason why they wanted to get rid of my wife first was because it was after my daughter's soul because she did something she should not have done, and my wife was standing in the way. They we're using mind control on our daughter.
The last time that thing took over my wife before she lost consciousness, it attacked her heart as well. Again, I don't know if she died or not, I'm inclined to think not, but either way, she was not there and something else was speaking through her and at one time, it attacked my daughter through my wife, claws and all. My son was there the whole time and he was the one who pulled my wife off from my daughter, because the thing was trying to kill her. By the way it wasn't just me casting the spirit out, but it was both my son and I.
We have never taken my wife to the hospital, she never wanted to go anyway and at the same time, we knew it was spiritual and that's what we went after instead of the natural remedies and treatments. She's doing much better now until my daughter gets home each night. Every time my daughter walks in the door, my wife starts getting pains in her tummy again, only now, she's doing much much better.
I only told you a very little of what has been going on with one person, which is by no means all that she has gone through or myself or my son. The only one that nothing has happened to for this entire year is my daughter.
We believe the guy is after her money and our wealth, because he's a miser and he lusts after money and things. Why do I say that, because he's trying to get her to marry him.
So I ask all the naysayers and carnally minded Christians, was all this and so much more done by witchcraft, rather voodoo, or is all of this just a coincidence, or happenstance, or is it because we're just religious fanatics and it's all in our heads?

I honestly don't think a lot of Christians understand how the enemy works or how to engage in literal demonic spiritual warfare. People often say "God will fight for me." or " I have the Holy Spirit so no worries." and while that may be true, that doesn't actually demonstrate a totality of what spiritual warfare is.

There is a reason why God gave us tools to utilize. Prayer, calling on the name of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit, and scripture are there at our disposal.

Without making a long post, if you or someone else feels afraid to call upon the name of Jesus to exercise authority over an unclean spirit, then be rest assured that this feeling of fear is not from God. In fact, you're directly over the target and it's time to be bold, confident, and authoritative in Jesus' name. Praise and thank God for the victory He has given you.

 

[know1]

Was it witchcraft? I doubt it. It's far more likely that your brother-in-law started focusing his attention on other things, or encountered subjects that did not come easily to him. I experienced both in my schooling years. At the same time, his friend probably buckled down and realized the value of good grades and learning while it was still "free".

There's a principle known as Occam's Razor (the spelling varies), which basically says that the most likely explanation is the simplest. It appears to me that this principle is directly applicable in the situations you mentioned.

Read post 18 please and tell me if there is a simple explanation for that.

 

[Runningman]

Was it a miracle that Satan got Adam's power and authority over the earth, or was it the law of agreement that caused the transfer?

I'm not sure if I follow. Where does it say that Satan got Adam's power and authority over the earth? I am pretty sure God gave that authority to Adam and I don't see a place where that was rescinded by God.

 

[know1]

It's possible. I was perfectly well and someone I knew said that I was coming down with something. The next day, I had a nasty dose of flu. God does not have the flu so He did not give it to me. I was raised in an occult household and I had an occult demon until I was delivered many years ago now. People seem to have no idea of the difference between the supernatural (demonic) and the spiritual, which is of God. A woman suddenly gained a really good voice. My friend knew her and knew she was not a singer. He bound the evil spirit and she could not continue singing.

We should not fear, but we should be alert. Satan can appear as an angel of light. We need to stay close to God and seek wisdom and protection. God will honour that request.

I wrote of one of my experiences this past year, if you would, tell me what you think.

 

[know1]

It's possible. I was perfectly well and someone I knew said that I was coming down with something. The next day, I had a nasty dose of flu. God does not have the flu so He did not give it to me. I was raised in an occult household and I had an occult demon until I was delivered many years ago now. People seem to have no idea of the difference between the supernatural (demonic) and the spiritual, which is of God. A woman suddenly gained a really good voice. My friend knew her and knew she was not a singer. He bound the evil spirit and she could not continue singing.

We should not fear, but we should be alert. Satan can appear as an angel of light. We need to stay close to God and seek wisdom and protection. God will honour that request.

I wrote of one of my experiences this past year in post 18, if you would, tell me what you think.

 

[iamsoandso]

Since this scenario is usually only made apparent in movies, the majority of us wouldn’t have that experience. What I usually see is people making bad decisions about what they eat, and how they spend their time, reap the fruits and then blame the devil. I know there is spiritual warfare as you describe. We humans have the ability to connect with God and demons. I’ve studied Satanism, Luciferianism, Alester Crowley, Skull and Bones as well as other sects. I do believe some psychopathy is demonic and some is environmental. Most disease is a result of the physical, while some is metaphysical. There are some places that Voodoo and Wicka are common and yes they are metaphysical hotspots. Where I am however, if my son’s grades started to decline, I would be more opt to blame too much TV.

Yep much of what is being stated here is only found in the movies. An example is witches being burned in the Salem witch hunt(occurs in movies) but in history did not happen in Salem(they were hung/pressed). This is the same as having a discussion with someone about the Scriptures and realizing that they are relating things from a movie instead of the Bible. Even the symptoms related in the thread are tell tell signs of witch hazel(and others),weight loss,diarrhea,hallucinations ect. and are the evidence that someone has either obtained or manufactured ointments and put then on objects they knew they would touch and handle within their household.

My suggestion to the OP is to contact the authorities and explain to them that you think that someone is placing these things in your home(drugging you without your consent) which is a criminal offense. You will need to remember that the officer you may say this to will see you as a fanatic if you say witch,demon ect. so don't. Instead explain to them that the suspected person may be obtaining these ointments and placing them in your home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_ointment

 

[know1]

I'm not sure if I follow. Where does it say that Satan got Adam's power and authority over the earth? I am pretty sure God gave that authority to Adam and I don't see a place where that was rescinded by God.

Perhaps, my understanding of God telling Adam to have dominion over all the Earth and to subdue it, and all that is in it, in Genesis 1:26-28, differs from yours.
To me, that says God made Adam the prince of the power of the air, until he agreed with the devil and ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
I believe that is when the transfer took place, as Adam was then cursed to till the earth, instead of subduing it.
I believe this is how the devil became the prince of the power of the air, or the God of this world. Because it wasn't given to Satan, but to Adam. And for Satan to be called the God of this world, is to say there was a transfer of both power and authority from Adam to the devil.

 

[know1]

Yep much of what is being stated here is only found in the movies. An example is witches being burned in the Salem witch hunt(occurs in movies) but in history did not happen in Salem(they were hung/pressed). This is the same as having a discussion with someone about the Scriptures and realizing that they are relating things from a movie instead of the Bible. Even the symptoms related in the thread are tell tell signs of witch hazel(and others),weight loss,diarrhea,hallucinations ect. and are the evidence that someone has either obtained or manufactured ointments and put then on objects they knew they would touch and handle within their household.

My suggestion to the OP is to contact the authorities and explain to them that you think that someone is placing these things in your home(drugging you without your consent) which is a criminal offense. You will need to remember that the officer you may say this to will see you as a fanatic if you say witch,demon ect. so don't. Instead explain to them that the suspected person may be obtaining these ointments and placing them in your home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_ointment

I'm having a hard time believing you're actually serious. I didn't know I was speaking to a psychologist or psychiatrist, who only think everything is natural and/or of the mind.
Do you even believe in God and the devil, angels and demons? Or are they all just made up stories written in the Bible?
And how do you explain things moving in the house or both electrical and electronics literally blowing up due to power surges?
Were these near chemical imbalances and hallucinations also?
The mere suggestion of somebody just doping my wife, my son, myself, and others, who have had absolutely no contact with us is, to say the least, nonsensically absurd, and I'm not going to say what I think of you, as it would be far from kind.

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm having a hard time believing you're actually serious. I didn't know I was speaking to a psychologist or psychiatrist, who only think everything is natural and/or of the mind.
Do you even believe in God and the devil, angels and demons? Or are they all just made up stories written in the Bible?
And how do you explain things moving in the house or both electrical and electronics literally blowing up due to power surges?
Were these near chemical imbalances and hallucinations also?
The mere suggestion of somebody just doping my wife, my son, myself, and others, who have had absolutely no contact with us is, to say the least, nonsensically absurd, and I'm not going to say what I think of you, as it would be far from kind.

These issues can be quite confusing and so I understand your concern. In your OP you commented that you had changed your opinions of things over the past year and so if your trying to understand demons,witches ect. and you have only been facing this for a year then to me it would make sense that it would be easy to confuse witchcraft and demonology as one and the same. Also in your OP(and other post) you seem to be giving you focus on Satan obtaining power and authority away from Adam but Scriptural'y this is no longer true(actually the opposite),,, https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 10:19&version=KJV

 

[know1]

Yep much of what is being stated here is only found in the movies. An example is witches being burned in the Salem witch hunt(occurs in movies) but in history did not happen in Salem(they were hung/pressed). This is the same as having a discussion with someone about the Scriptures and realizing that they are relating things from a movie instead of the Bible. Even the symptoms related in the thread are tell tell signs of witch hazel(and others),weight loss,diarrhea,hallucinations ect. and are the evidence that someone has either obtained or manufactured ointments and put then on objects they knew they would touch and handle within their household.

My suggestion to the OP is to contact the authorities and explain to them that you think that someone is placing these things in your home(drugging you without your consent) which is a criminal offense. You will need to remember that the officer you may say this to will see you as a fanatic if you say witch,demon ect. so don't. Instead explain to them that the suspected person may be obtaining these ointments and placing them in your home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_ointment

You really didn't think this one through.
Aside from the fact that none of the other people who have had the same symptoms as my, ever entered my house, but all contact with others was done either over the phone or via the computer.
And how is it that this drug had no effect on the other three persons living in the house?
And how does my wife know when my daughter is coming home based on the pain that starts coming on her?
She would say to me, so and so is on her way home, when she starts feeling twinges. And sure enough, 15 minutes later, she arrives.
My father had a name for people like you, who lack basic common sense due to over education.

 

[know1]

I honestly don't think a lot of Christians understand how the enemy works or how to engage in literal demonic spiritual warfare. People often say "God will fight for me." or " I have the Holy Spirit so no worries." and while that may be true, that doesn't actually demonstrate a totality of what spiritual warfare is.

There is a reason why God gave us tools to utilize. Prayer, calling on the name of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit, and scripture are there at our disposal.

Without making a long post, if you or someone else feels afraid to call upon the name of Jesus to exercise authority over an unclean spirit, then be rest assured that this feeling of fear is not from God. In fact, you're directly over the target and it's time to be bold, confident, and authoritative in Jesus' name. Praise and thank God for the victory He has given you.

I have to say, this was very hard for both my son and myself to take, because my wife was the powerhouse in the house, and the most godly. It's also harder to deal with when something this extreme happens to someone so close to you. It's easier when you don't know the person.

 

[Unearthed]

I used to say, most sickness comes on a person due to their sins, but this past year has opened up a new area of understanding for me.
In my earlier years, I would hear a voice tell me certain people, actually it was always women, were witches. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but just avoided contact with them, as I believed they were bad people and I shouldn't associate with them. I was also cautious around the person I was told was a witch.
I have a number of stories I could tell about someone having a gift, and another person would comment about that gift, whether it was how smart the person was how beautiful their hair, skin, or face was, after the comment, something would happen that caused the person to lose the very thing the other person commented on, and the one who commented on that said gift, received the very thing they noticed and commented on, and the person that had the gift, they received what the other person had. Just like Satan received Adam's power and authority, which was a blessing of and from God, and Adam received the devil's curse.
As a short example, my wife's brother, many years ago, was a very smart young man in high School, until one of his friends mentioned how smart he was. Her brother was acing all the tests with no problem and his friend was struggling and was not very smart at all. Until she noticed the reversal. How his friend was starting to Ace the tests and her brother was failing in classes now. So what happened? How did her brother lose his intelligence, so to speak, and his friend gets so smart so quickly?
Was it witchcraft?

So to summarise:

1. You used to believe that sickness came to people because of sin.
2. You used to hear a voice that told you that people were witches.
3. You've met people who change over time as they grow older.
4. You feel that Adam received Satan's power and authority.
5. Witchcraft is the reason why people change!

I'm not writing this as a flippant or unkind remark, so please don't take what I'm about to write in that way...but I would encourage you to seek support with your mental health.

 

[iamsoandso]

I see many of you are as I was in my teens and early twenties, a mediocre Christian, going about your life in your own little bubble, not knowing what's going on around you in the spirit world.
Many of you I would say are secular or carnally minded Christians.
I say that because many of the so-called, believers, look to the natural world and reasoning to explain away every ailment and situation.
I would like to tell you some of what I and my family have been going through for the past year.
After being married for 32 years to the same woman, wouldn't you think I would know just about everything there is to know about my wife? The fact is, I do.
My wife is a very special and precious no nonsense woman of prayer. She is almost always in prayer because she doesn't need to work. So while she is in prayer many times she will see things in the spirit world.
She also has very accurate dreams of what people are doing behind closed doors or in secret In other words, I see my wife as a very godly woman.
So what do you think that would do to me, her husband, when I watched her go from about 135 lbs down to 95 lbs, close to skin and bones, due to severe nausea, stomach pains, and diarrhea, in just a few short months after my daughter started dating a guy?
But it doesn't end there. All those who contacted my wife and I, also got the very same thing, and we never told them anything about what my wife was going through. My mother-in-law, who is wheelchair bound and 87 years of age, stop calling our house because she knew where it was coming from. My wife was having a very hard time so it would be even worse for her mother to go through the same thing, only being wheelchair or bed bound. And when I say severe it was very very severe. If you had diarrhea and you went to the bathroom seven times and a half an hour and do that all day and night, depriving her of sleep at night, and throwing up every time the smallest amount of anything went in your mouth including water, I would call that severe, wouldn't you?
But it didn't stop there to where it went to other people either.
Let's go to the part where my wife... Well, there's a disagreement between my son and I, where he thinks she died but I'm not so sure. Either way, we both were calling her spirit back into her body, as there was no one there while her eyes were wide open, after she collapsed on the floor.
She did recover from that incident but then it happened again, and again, and a fourth time. While each time was getting worse and worse. After the second time it wasn't my wife who came back but a spirit speaking through her. Only it was not a good spirit and it did not have nice things to say but it did spill its guts, so to speak. It told us its name, who sent it, what they were doing, why they were attacking my wife, which by the way, was because she was protecting my daughter spiritually from the very spirit speaking out of her, which called itself, soul snatcher. That's what its name was, and it was sent by a gathering or covin of witches. It told us that. Also told us it was her boyfriend who sent it to kill my wife, and then said, I was next. All the while we are casting this thing out of my wife, this thing is laughing at us through my wife. We did this three times. And the reason why they wanted to get rid of my wife first was because it was after my daughter's soul because she did something she should not have done, and my wife was standing in the way. They we're using mind control on our daughter.
The last time that thing took over my wife before she lost consciousness, it attacked her heart as well. Again, I don't know if she died or not, I'm inclined to think not, but either way, she was not there and something else was speaking through her and at one time, it attacked my daughter through my wife, claws and all. My son was there the whole time and he was the one who pulled my wife off from my daughter, because the thing was trying to kill her. By the way it wasn't just me casting the spirit out, but it was both my son and I.
We have never taken my wife to the hospital, she never wanted to go anyway and at the same time, we knew it was spiritual and that's what we went after instead of the natural remedies and treatments. She's doing much better now until my daughter gets home each night. Every time my daughter walks in the door, my wife starts getting pains in her tummy again, only now, she's doing much much better.
I only told you a very little of what has been going on with one person, which is by no means all that she has gone through or myself or my son. The only one that nothing has happened to for this entire year is my daughter.
We believe the guy is after her money and our wealth, because he's a miser and he lusts after money and things. Why do I say that, because he's trying to get her to marry him.
So I ask all the naysayers and carnally minded Christians, was all this and so much more done by witchcraft, rather voodoo, or is all of this just a coincidence, or happenstance, or is it because we're just religious fanatics and it's all in our heads?

Well no all you need do is to read the things you posted,,,

 

[know1]

I honestly don't think a lot of Christians understand how the enemy works or how to engage in literal demonic spiritual warfare. People often say "God will fight for me." or " I have the Holy Spirit so no worries." and while that may be true, that doesn't actually demonstrate a totality of what spiritual warfare is.

There is a reason why God gave us tools to utilize. Prayer, calling on the name of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit, and scripture are there at our disposal.

Without making a long post, if you or someone else feels afraid to call upon the name of Jesus to exercise authority over an unclean spirit, then be rest assured that this feeling of fear is not from God. In fact, you're directly over the target and it's time to be bold, confident, and authoritative in Jesus' name. Praise and thank God for the victory He has given you.

I think you're right about most Americans being clueless about the occult and what they do behind closed doors or in secret.

 

[true_believer]

I used to say, most sickness comes on a person due to their sins, but this past year has opened up a new area of understanding for me.
In my earlier years, I would hear a voice tell me certain people, actually it was always women, were witches. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but just avoided contact with them, as I believed they were bad people and I shouldn't associate with them. I was also cautious around the person I was told was a witch.
I have a number of stories I could tell about someone having a gift, and another person would comment about that gift, whether it was how smart the person was how beautiful their hair, skin, or face was, after the comment, something would happen that caused the person to lose the very thing the other person commented on, and the one who commented on that said gift, received the very thing they noticed and commented on, and the person that had the gift, they received what the other person had. Just like Satan received Adam's power and authority, which was a blessing of and from God, and Adam received the devil's curse.
As a short example, my wife's brother, many years ago, was a very smart young man in high School, until one of his friends mentioned how smart he was. Her brother was acing all the tests with no problem and his friend was struggling and was not very smart at all. Until she noticed the reversal. How his friend was starting to Ace the tests and her brother was failing in classes now. So what happened? How did her brother lose his intelligence, so to speak, and his friend gets so smart so quickly?
Was it witchcraft?

This sounds like the "evil eye" belief that is widespread in Europe and Asia. I recently heard a rabbi refer to this as "ayin hara"

 

[know1]

So to summarise:

1. You used to believe that sickness came to people because of sin.
2. You used to hear a voice that told you that people were witches.
3. You've met people who change over time as they grow older.
4. You feel that Adam received Satan's power and authority.
5. Witchcraft is the reason why people change!

I'm not writing this as a flippant or unkind remark, so please don't take what I'm about to write in that way...but I would encourage you to seek support with your mental health.

No offense taken.
And like you, I do not say this flippantly either, I would first suggest you find Jesus and make Him lord of your life, then I would pray🙏 and ask God to open your eyes 👀 that you would not be oblivious to the obvious, but you might understand what is written, that you might be spiritually minded and not carnally, and so on.
And to answer some of your questions, no, I still believe and no that sickness comes on Christians as well as the even because of either their sins or the sins of their parents. So no, I still believe that, I just didn't know about witchcraft and the like, being the cause of a sickness or of bad events happening in your life or that of your family's.
And on your second point, I would again have to disagree with you concerning my used to hearing hey voice telling me certain women were witches, because I still hear, I would say, voices has not just one voice, telling me certain things about certain people. As it should be with all Christians who hear from God. However I am under the understanding that not all voices are of and from God. Some are from ourselves, as we have other parts within us that speak as well, and some are of and from and of the devil.
Point 4 you got correct, but I have no clue as to where you got points 3 and 5 from. So I would have to say no, I don't agree with those two points.

 

[know1]

These issues can be quite confusing and so I understand your concern. In your OP you commented that you had changed your opinions of things over the past year and so if your trying to understand demons,witches ect. and you have only been facing this for a year then to me it would make sense that it would be easy to confuse witchcraft and demonology as one and the same. Also in your OP(and other post) you seem to be giving you focus on Satan obtaining power and authority away from Adam but Scriptural'y this is no longer true(actually the opposite),,, https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 10:19&version=KJV

What changed in part was the belief that sin was the main cause of most people's ailments and predicaments. I learned a lot about witchcraft, and those doing these things behind closed doors and in secret. I used to think they were just powerless rinky dink minions against the children of God. I have since learned otherwise. I have since learned, if the child of God does not fight back spiritually, in prayer, whatever they have sent against you, if you have opened any door to them, for curse causeless shall not take, you will succumb to that curse they send against you.
And there were things I didn't understand concerning how some spiritual laws worked.
For instance, I did not know my daughter's sins would, not only affect her parents, who are covering / protecting her spiritually, but also be a type of portal, bridge, or opening for the demonic to enter our house. That is why they were able to get to the rest of us in the house, and especially at my wife.
I am not the one who has the problem here, but all of you who who are stuck in the natural and nothing in the supernatural is real, other than heaven.
I have found out there is a real spiritual war going on out there and the American or Western church is totally oblivious to it. Mostly because they live like the world, think like the world, are half dead, and have little to zero discernment or even have any gifts of God operating in their life.
Truly jesus' words ring loud and clear concerning the western church.
In Matthew 13:15, Jesus said, this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed.

 

[know1]

This sounds like the "evil eye" belief that is widespread in Europe and Asia. I recently heard a rabbi refer to this as "ayin hara"

I think you're wrong about that. I had a black man do that to me one time and it had no known effect on me.

 

[Dino246]

Read post 18 please and tell me if there is a simple explanation for that.

After reading post 18, I conclude that responding to you further is of questionable value at best. You don't know jack about me, and probably very little about others here, but you're content to call us "carnal".

I'll bet the spirits that afflict your family just love your arrogance and happily encourage it.

 

[SophieT]

After reading post 18, I conclude that responding to you further is of questionable value at best. You don't know jack about me, and probably very little about others here, but you're content to call us "carnal".

I'll bet the spirits that afflict your family just love your arrogance and happily encourage it.

yeah but his wife has dreams about what people do in private

yuck