Do catholics worship God or the pope?

[Athanasius377]

How do you know what clement wrote. Jesuit have reputation to alter history.

How do you know the jesuits didn't put up that crack pot you quote from simply to keep you from knowing the truth. They have a reputation or altering history.

The reason is we have early copies of what Clement wrote. We know them to be authentic because they use the same style and syntax as other early writers. Besides, Clement is a source I frequently use against Roman Catholic claims because he tells us things like there was no monarchial bishop (pope) but rather a board of elders or Presbyters running the Church in Rome. Kinda weird to include that nugget if the document was forged.

Like I say, on 1965 in my country there was assignation of 7 military general. Government say it by communist, prof Ben Anderson investigate and say, it done by CIA

Irrelevant. There's also a lot of tea in China.

A lot of odd thing that Luke not mention the president of apostle there when apostle Paul there.

Acts leaves off with Paul in arriving in Rome. My guess is Peter arrived later.

Also every where when Paul visit that there was Christian community, they give warm welcome, read act. There wasn't welcoming party where boss peter in Rome for Paul? It is wear, or peter not there.

Kinda foolish if there is straight up persecution especially in the Capital of the Roman Empire to throw a welcoming party for Peter.

 

[Jackson123]

The reason is we have early copies of what Clement wrote. We know them to be authentic because they use the same style and syntax as other early writers

If a man try to make fake writing, they need to use the same style and syntax.

Acts leaves off with Paul in arriving in Rome. My guess is Peter arrived later.

Read catholic version, peter come and had been lead Church of Rome 28 year before Paul come and still was another 2 years.

Kinda foolish if there is straight up persecution especially in the Capital of the Roman Empire to throw a welcoming party for Peter.

Read act, on the way to Rome as prisoner Christian community welcome him on every city that have Christian community

 

[ChoirLoft]

As the title says: do catholics worship God or the pope?

Do they allow the pope to come between them and God?

He (anti-Christ) will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. - Daniel 7:25

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.

The official statement of the Vatican above places God beneath the Pope. Traditional definition of this sort of statement and behavior is blaspheme. Without going into this works-based religion of pagan ideology, the Bible standard must first be examined.

Not only do Catholics worship and follow the Pope as god, but so do most protestants. Inasmuch as the anti-Christ changes set times and laws and inasmuch as Catholics follow this SIN, so too do Protestants. They march in lock-step with the anti-Christ RCC system.

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Did Jesus not warn about taking the 2x4 out of our own eye before we accuse a brother of having a toothpick lodged in his eye?

Protestants follow the Vatican in more than this, for most End Times dogma is based upon the RCC doctrine of FUTURISM.

For instance, the RCC is responsible for murdering more Jews and gentile believers (saints) than all other religions combined. It is at heart an anti-Semitic system. This anti-Semitism is reflected chiefly in the doctrine of the Tribulation. Tribulation dogma suggests that a final time of trouble will visit world Jews and that they will be murdered and beheaded until and unless they join the church. This idea has been the vision statement of the RCC since its inception more than fifteen hundred years ago.

Does the reader, any reader here, believe and accept the RCC FUTURIST doctrine of the Tribulation to be true? Any doctrine that honors the murder of innocent Jews as a sort of religious gospel is hate language of the most severe sort. It ought to be rejected by anyone who loves his neighbor - the Jew.

But of course this isn't going to happen. Protestant Christians will follow their RCC dogma even as they enter their houses of worship on Sunday (not Saturday as God's LAW requires) and listen to another sermon lauding the tribulation as God's plan. Modern Christians absolutely refuse to honor anything Jewish, including the Old Testament, because they - like the Pope - are too attached to their anti-Semitic rules and traditions (WHICH WILL NOT SAVE THEM).

That's me, hollering from the choir loft....

 

[Athanasius377]

If a man try to make fake writing, they need to use the same style and syntax.

This is harder than you realize. That's how we know about forgeries like the donation of Constantine.

Read catholic version, peter come and had been lead Church of Rome 28 year before Paul come and still was another 2 years.

There is no Catholic version of Acts, there is only the book of Acts.

Read act, on the way to Rome as prisoner Christian community welcome him on every city that have Christian community

On the way there, yes. Not while there was a city wide and possibly empire wide persecution of christians which is when we think Peter was in Rome.

 

[Jackson123]

There is no Catholic version of Acts, there is only the book of Acts.

Not catholic version of act, catholic version of history

On the way there, yes. Not while there was a city wide and possibly empire wide persecution of christians which is when we think Peter was in Rome.

Did you read act 28, Paul invite Jews community to his rental house preach about Jesus and Rome soldier there guard him. How Peter afraid to visit him if He there?

 

[Athanasius377]

Not catholic version of act, catholic version of history


Did you read act 28, Paul invite Jews community to his rental house preach about Jesus and Rome soldier there guard him. How Peter afraid to visit him if He there?

Once again, because Peter was there sometime after the events in Acts 28 and after widespread persecution had broken out.

 

[Athanasius377]

Not catholic version of act, catholic version of history

No, Clement is not a catholic version of history. Clement was an eyewiteness to the events of the early church who disputes the a catholic reading of history, whatever that means. Have you read I Clement? If not you should.

 

[Jackson123]

Once again, because Peter was there sometime after the events in Acts 28 and after widespread persecution had broken out.

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130–33 / 64–68St Peter
PETRVSAD 1 Bethsaida, Galilea, Roman Empire[birth 1]29–32 / 62–67Born Jewish. First pope. Apostle of Jesus. According to Catholic tradition he received the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 16:18–19). Feast day (Feast of Saints Peter and Paul) 29 June. He is recognized by the Catholic Church as the first Bishop of Rome appointed by Christ. Also revered as saint in Eastern Christianity, with a feast day of 29 June.[4] St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City is named after him.

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According of history that I don't believe Peter in Rome since AD 32-64

She Paul in Rome

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59–60 Appears before Festus and appeals to Caesar; voyage to Rome
60–62 Under house arrest at Rome; writes letters to Philippians, Ephesians, Colossians, and Philemon
62–64 Released; journeys to Spain?; writes letters to Timothy and Titus

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So if history not lie Paul in Rome during peter in rome
We can estimate The years Paul in Rome by compare with Jews history by Josephus.

It say in act Paul appears in the beginning of festus reign and Jews historian joshepus tell when festival in power.
So we know when Paul in Rome.

 

[TheLearner]

No, Clement is not a catholic version of history. Clement was an eyewiteness to the events of the early church who disputes the a catholic reading of history, whatever that means. Have you read I Clement? If not you should.

It should be pointed out that claiming that early church fathers are Catholic is admitting that the early church was in fact Catholic.
Since those educated enough to make copies of the NT would be those same Church Fathers, one is admitting that the NT is also Catholic.

 

[TheLearner]

Paul was in Rome after Peter died there. Peter in 62 Paul in 65

 

[kaylagrl]

As the title says: do catholics worship God or the pope?

Do they allow the pope to come between them and God?

Why don't we let the Catholics work out what they believe, and the OSAS believers, and the Pentecostals and every other church and start reaching out to THE LOST?!

 

[TheLearner]

The Pope does not block their path to God.

Every believer can kneel in prayer to the throne of God.

 

[Unearthed]

Why don't we let the Catholics work out what they believe, and the OSAS believers, and the Pentecostals and every other church and start reaching out to THE LOST?!

Sounds like a great idea. Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sounds like a great idea. Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost.

Two in one day? What's the odds? Here you go...
Over 20 yrs in traveling ministry, thousands of churches (including some Catholic) , open air/on the street, schools etc. Over seven months of the year away from home, traveling in two countries. Ministered at the biggest street ministry in Toronto with the Salvation Army. Traveled in all denominations that would allow the Gospel to be preached. You wanna try that comment again?

While some of you keyboard evangelists have been banging away on your pcs some of us heeded the command "Jesus commands us to go!" Would you sit and listen to my testimony? I doubt it. Wow we have a whole lot of self righteous, keyboard evangelists here.

 

[Unearthed]

Two in one day? What's the odds? Here you go...
Over 20 yrs in traveling ministry, thousands of churches (including some Catholic) , open air/on the street, schools etc. Over seven months of the year away from home, traveling in two countries. Ministered at the biggest street ministry in Toronto with the Salvation Army. Traveled in all denominations that would allow the Gospel to be preached. You wanna try that comment again?

While some of you keyboard evangelists have been banging away on your pcs some of us heeded the command "Jesus commands us to go!" Would you sit and listen to my testimony? I doubt it. Wow we have a whole lot of self righteous, keyboard evangelists here.

Calm down girl, and get off your high horse.

I said

"Sounds like a great idea. Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost"

I did not say

"Sounds like a great idea. Let us know when you decide to do something yourself to reach out to the lost".

 

[kaylagrl]

Calm down girl, and get off your high horse.

I said

"Sounds like a great idea. Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost"

I did not say

"Sounds like a great idea. Let us know when you decide to do something yourself to reach out to the lost".

I heard what you said "Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost." I'm telling you what I decided to do. Calling a woman girl is a tad insulting considering the way in which it is being used. And it has nothing to do with being on any high horse, my sister was able to go to Africa, I haven't been able to go that far, yet. You know nothing about me, nothing about my testimony, nothing able the years I traveled but you have no problem making off the cuff comments like "let us know what you're doing to reach the lost". Where has your mission field taken you?

 

[Unearthed]

I heard what you said "Let us know what you decide to do yourself to reach out to the lost." I'm telling you what I decided to do. Calling a woman girl is a tad insulting considering the way in which it is being used. And it has nothing to do with being on any high horse, my sister was able to go to Africa, I haven't been able to go that far, yet. You know nothing about me, nothing about my testimony, nothing able the years I traveled but you have no problem making off the cuff comments like "let us know what you're doing to reach the lost". Where has your mission field taken you?

On ignore. Take your infantile rants elsewhere.

 

[kaylagrl]

As you can see, as soon as Unearthed is questioned he runs and hides. Typical of these" keyboard evangelists". smh

 

[Jackson123]

No, Clement is not a catholic version of history. Clement was an eyewiteness to the events of the early church who disputes the a catholic reading of history, whatever that means. Have you read I Clement? If not you should.

How about catholic lie and say clement say peter in tome but clement never say

 

[DeanM]

Two in one day? What's the odds? Here you go...
Over 20 yrs in traveling ministry, thousands of churches (including some Catholic) , open air/on the street, schools etc. Over seven months of the year away from home, traveling in two countries. Ministered at the biggest street ministry in Toronto with the Salvation Army. Traveled in all denominations that would allow the Gospel to be preached. You wanna try that comment again?

While some of you keyboard evangelists have been banging away on your pcs some of us heeded the command "Jesus commands us to go!" Would you sit and listen to my testimony? I doubt it. Wow we have a whole lot of self righteous, keyboard evangelists here.

You should be proud of your humility.