Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality
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If everyone with sour grapes was heeded when they reported someone for a perceived offense then there would be no one left on this message board.
That being said, how often do the same people who publicly accuse the church of being loving also praise them for the good things they do? They don't.
Furthermore, the strawman argument that is the thesis of this OP has been debunked to smithereens.
Jesus gave His followers permission to judge others as long as they aren't being a hypocrite about it. Casting stones in judgement is about using literal capital punishment to attack sinners; Jesus condemns that.
That being said, this thread comes across as hostile towards Christianity seeing as how it is open ended and offers no coherent solution to the alleged problem.
What I actually see is there is no problem at all, rather a gross misunderstanding of the scriptures that show us what Jesus was really trying to say.
That being said, how often do the same people who publicly accuse the church of being loving also praise them for the good things they do? They don't.
Furthermore, the strawman argument that is the thesis of this OP has been debunked to smithereens.
Jesus gave His followers permission to judge others as long as they aren't being a hypocrite about it. Casting stones in judgement is about using literal capital punishment to attack sinners; Jesus condemns that.
That being said, this thread comes across as hostile towards Christianity seeing as how it is open ended and offers no coherent solution to the alleged problem.
What I actually see is there is no problem at all, rather a gross misunderstanding of the scriptures that show us what Jesus was really trying to say.
Titus 3:1-2 1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.
There is not a Christian man that I know that hasn't struggled with sexual sin.
The bible even states, there is nothing that has come upon you that isn't common to man.
Stop thinking that your special sin needs special handling. Your sin is NOT special. Your sin needs the same handling as EVERYONE else's.
You need to come to the Lord Jesus and ask to be cleansed. Ask for the Lords Help in making you like Him.
After you come to Christ you are Gods Workmanship. It is God who is remaking you into the Righteous Christian that will be used for His will.
None of that means that you won't ever struggle with your past sins. You most assuredly will. But you won't continue to label yourself according to your favorite sin. You will label yourself as Christian who happens to still struggle with some stuff. You know, like a real person.
The bible even states, there is nothing that has come upon you that isn't common to man.
Stop thinking that your special sin needs special handling. Your sin is NOT special. Your sin needs the same handling as EVERYONE else's.
You need to come to the Lord Jesus and ask to be cleansed. Ask for the Lords Help in making you like Him.
After you come to Christ you are Gods Workmanship. It is God who is remaking you into the Righteous Christian that will be used for His will.
None of that means that you won't ever struggle with your past sins. You most assuredly will. But you won't continue to label yourself according to your favorite sin. You will label yourself as Christian who happens to still struggle with some stuff. You know, like a real person.
Thank you Grandpa, there is a lot of truth in what you posted, if we claim to be "gay", "sick" "lame", etc, it becomes a part of out identity and we then keep it, it is when we see ourselves as Righteous in Christ, whole by His atonement, etc we can receive His healing and restoration. The perverted statement, "I was born this way" is a lie from the pit, merely claiming "i'm gay" is a lie, male and female He created us.
Its too hard for us to say if we were "born" this way or not.
Maybe we are. Maybe we have inclinations that are built in and then the world, and its minions, capitalize on it and steer us in certain directions that we initially WANT to be steered into.
Or maybe we are traumatized into what we "choose".
It makes little difference in my opinion. We end up where we end up and we ALL need the help of the Lord Jesus.
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kaylagrl
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Well now you'll have to take that up with the mods now won't you? I'm not one, I'm just letting you know that threads get derailed.
I sincerely congratulate you on your turning to Christ; however, I have to ask: Why do you feel it's necessary to rehash your life story? I'm so weary of listening to Christians talk about their "life story"; all of 'em: drug addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes, ex-cons, and yes, gays. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."—2 Corinthians 5:17 Are we the body of Christ or a 12 step program? The old life's gone, the new one has begun.
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kaylagrl
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But some still struggle with the old life. I had a friend that was a wonderful Christ, but he had been an alcoholic. He ran a restaurant, which is stressful work. When the stress would get to be too much he'd go to the city and drink. His wife would call my father and he would go search the bars to find him. He'd regret it the next day and repent. He's passed now, but that was his struggle. Not everyone is at the same stage in their walk as you are, have some compassion for that.
Also sometimes confiding in someone about a struggle helps people to deal with a problem.
I don't wish to take anything up with the moderation team.
I'm sure they would step in if they felt they need to.
Agreed
Nothing happens in the past, everything is forward in Christ, that has been my experience anyway.
I understand the struggle. I used to involve myself in "recovery." I used to sit in 12 step meetings and share my struggles over and over, ad infinitum, and listen to others do the same. I was never able to "recover" until said goodbye to my old life. I quit thinking about it, quit talking about it; I went out and made a new life for myself in Christ. I have compassion for those still struggling; that's why I've shared the true way to recover, the true way to be set free.
So-called recovery programs have so brainwashed people they feel helpless; they have a "disease" which causes them to "relapse" over and over again. The way to recover, so they say, is to talk about your disease and your struggles with it. But all this does is reinforce the idea that you're helpless.
No doubt Ill get a lot of pushback on this. The level of brainwashing is so near complete to even question it is almost blaspheme. It's now in the churches and considered normal by most people. Lord help us.
Just for the record, no one is afraid of you. Some times in message boards there are peaks and lulls of activity. For example, the chat hitting a lull in activity does not necessarily correlate your stated cause that people fear you. It can be proven that all threads hit high and low points through the day, but your claims can't be confirmed.
I will say that people tend to put homosexuality on a pedestal higher above many other sins except for maybe murder. The truth is that all sin needs to be taken seriously whether it's a little lie like telling your spouse his dinner was good when it was actually disgusting, stealing food to satisfy your starvation, practicing homosexuality, or full blown genocide. God takes it all seriously and all of them lead to hell.
People vastly underestimate their righteousness and have no idea how forgiving and loving Jesus actually is. I know Him and He's more forgiving and loving than any one you'll ever meet. He's firm, yet fair, and will never give up on you.
Yes he does want you to forsake homosexuality, or lying, stealing, etc, but it's His sacrifice that forgives sins even to the most depraved. Without Jesus, we're all doomed.
You speak truth, what we place our focus on, we become, from a teaching I have heard recently.
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kaylagrl
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Yes, they will, but they won't step in over a derailed thread. I've been here long enough to know what they do and don't do.
A thread may go off on tangents or move on to something that wasn't mentioned in the original post. This is sometimes the natural course of discussion.
On the other hand, an attempt to derail the thread because a subset of users simply don't want the topic to be discussed would warrant intervention, in my opinion.
If the moderation team do not want trolls on this forum, they should neither accept trolling from long-term members.
You can't have it both ways.