Some polls say Jews are richer, older, and better educated than gentiles. Why?

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That's funny because I had her dad and we called him Polar. He's since passed but I have her. She looks like an artic fox. She has the tail and and double coat, which is fun when she sheds. We love her though. They are known as American Eskimo dogs.
I suppose if you were a lawyer you'd be the Articled Fox then?
I read posts about judgments of the Jews, and that they reject Christ, but so far there is no word at all about why God is blessing them. I think even though they are not saved, the natural way of the Lord is that there is a reflection in this life of our acts. Love and good follows, hate and hate follows. Give to others and there are good fruits, steal from others and you go to jail. No one is responding to that thought.

It in opposition to the word brought out so often that works won't save, and the post goes on to speak against works. Works won't save, only faith in Christ the Jews lack. But their culture promotes works. Works bring rewards.
He blesses them because of the patriarchs.

Romans 11 but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
 
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Only when people get up in her face. ;)
What her face says to me is:

"By nature I mind my own business, and I am very slow to anger,
but if you do push me too far, you WILL regret it"
 

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I suppose if you were a lawyer you'd be the Articled Fox then?


He blesses them because of the patriarchs.

Romans 11 but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Do you have any scriptures to back that up?

Perhaps you mean because of the promises God gave the patriarchs.
 

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Yes, that's part of the sleep. But the Bible is clear they will come out of that sleep and recognize their true Messiah, and they will morn. When the anti-Christ betrays them they will learn the truth. And then they will be saved.
It says they will mourn but does not say anything about recognizing the Messiah.

The whole deceived world will morn:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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So you can't be blessed but chastised at the same time? They disobeyed, they have been blinded, for a time. Then they will see their Messiah and repent . You need to read all of Scripture.
I've got a cousin. He does VERY well financially. In fact his entire life has been "blessed". Nice guy but he totally rejects anything to do with Jesus. It breaks my heart. He calls me and tells me about his latest trip to Hawaii or ski trip to Jackson Hole or whatever. And I'm just thinking about how hopeless the present situation is for him. Why would he ever see the need to seek God?? I pray for an opportunity. But so far, it's nothing.

This is what I think about in terms of jew's financial success while rejecting Jesus. All those material, earthly "blessings" are really a curse because they make it so much harder to see the need for a Savior.
 

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I've got a cousin. He does VERY well financially. In fact his entire life has been "blessed". Nice guy but he totally rejects anything to do with Jesus. It breaks my heart. He calls me and tells me about his latest trip to Hawaii or ski trip to Jackson Hole or whatever. And I'm just thinking about how hopeless the present situation is for him. Why would he ever see the need to seek God?? I pray for an opportunity. But so far, it's nothing.

This is what I think about in terms of jew's financial success while rejecting Jesus. All those material, earthly "blessings" are really a curse because they make it so much harder to see the need for a Savior.

There is no blessing from God. You are correct in that financial success does not mean God is involved.
 
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There is no blessing from God. You are correct in that financial success does not mean God is involved.

You don't believe God is involved when people are financially blessed?
 
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Oh my gosh.... My cousin just called me! He's coming to visit in a few weeks with his fancy new super boat. If you'd like to pray for me to find an opportunity, I'd appreciate it.
 

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It says they will mourn but does not say anything about recognizing the Messiah.

The whole deceived world will morn:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Recognizing the Messiah has to do with their salvation, and this post has determined that they do not recognize the Messiah and are not saved as we are saved, the question is about the blessing they receive in this life. That is a completely different subject.
 

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There is no blessing from God. You are correct in that financial success does not mean God is involved.
Polls report that they are blessed in every way that polls can measure. Polls cannot measure if they are saved or not, and this post is not about their salvation.
 

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Polls report that they are blessed in every way that polls can measure.
Most Jews in Israel are non-religious. Many are wealthy and successful but it is not a blessing from God, but the rewards of doing well in business and various professions. The majority live normal, non-wealthy lives as does most people around the world.
 

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You don't believe God is involved when people are financially blessed?
Not if they are non-Christians.

Mar_10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
 

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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already , because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

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Most Jews in Israel are non-religious. Many are wealthy and successful but it is not a blessing from God, but the rewards of doing well in business and various professions. The majority live normal, non-wealthy lives as does most people around the world.
I cannot believe that God is not involved with their superior achievements in such a multitude of areas. I could accept that if it was only business and professions, but it is in almost all areas except salvation. God is the king of the universe, the creator of all life, the creator of everything. People who think they run their lives without God are misinformed.
 

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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already , because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This post is not about that they are condemned by the Lord, but about the blessings they have received from the Lord. Being condemned is not a blessing. Their blessings may be valueless in eternity, but a blessing is still a blessing.

By solving this mystery we would be solving the questions of our works for the Lord. We cannot work for salvation, it would be useless. Is there other value in works?
 
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Is there other value in works?
Works is a form of obedience and I believe God is pleased with that. While we will never achieve moral perfection through works, I believe God could look at the heart of the person doing the works, as there is something godly about this.
 

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Works is a form of obedience and I believe God is pleased with that. While we will never achieve moral perfection through works, I believe God could look at the heart of the person doing the works, as there is something godly about this.
I agree, for Christians they work as "something Godly". It is a result of Christ within. Jews work as obedient to the Father, not as a result of Christ within. The question is if there are certain results from certain actions? It seems to me that although there is the personal relationship we have with the Lord, and with that relationship God sees the heart within. But I think our world is operated by law--not by the law in stone but by the spirit of the law.
Anyone, I believe, who acts in a certain way has a reaction to that act in a certain way. When this is bypassed,it is called a miracle.

I once asked an angel I was aware of and could speak with for a child's life. The angel replied that according to the situation the child should not live, but the angel would ask for permission to have the child live. The child lived a happy wonderful life until she was 21. That was a miracle. But it also says there are normally cause and effect in this life. In the secular world surrounding this, the doctors said the child would certainly die. Then they said she suddenly rallied and was fine.
 

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Scripture says they are already condemned. Here's more on the subject

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.


Was not Christ speaking to Jews when he said they don't know God the Father because they didn't know the son? Therefore this applies even today. Those that do not know Christ do not know his Father, God. This makes one a stranger to God despite natural bloodlines.


In fact Christ is quite direct about this fact:


John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.


They say God is their God but Christ says they are wrong and are liars. Yes, these are the leaders of the religion but that means what they believe and do is what the teach all the Jews so they represent that current state of Judaism. This also was no new thing:



Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.


This post is not about that they are condemned by the Lord, but about the blessings they have received from the Lord. Being condemned is not a blessing. Their blessings may be valueless in eternity, but a blessing is still a blessing.

By solving this mystery we would be solving the questions of our works for the Lord. We cannot work for salvation, it would be useless. Is there other value in works?