The perennial Acts 2.38 confusion .

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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
This is just straight out of the ' Greek Game , bible correctors, hand book ' .
" Yes , most translations say .... , but in the greek , and I know the greek ,you see and what you mere mortals don't know is that I have the real ,authentic meaning, the deep ,rich meaning that I know and you don't know, so you must listen to me to tell you what the bible REALLY means "
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Yet you have no counterpoint, all you do is mock

as usual your your own worse enemy
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
Ridiculing God's word???? Guess you are not familiar with Ananias' instructions to the Apostle Paul's about his water baptism. (Acts 22:14-16) Water baptism has nothing to do with cleaning off natural dirt/sins. Man's obedience to GOD'S command prompts a spiritual reality.
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Yep

and God said to be baptized, not forsake the assembly of yourself, give, feed the poor, pray without ceasing, obey his commands, all these works of righteousness he commands us to do

yet as paul said, it was NOT by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and renewal of the spirit

you want to earn gods mercy by replacing the washing of regeneration with water baptism.m good luck my friend. I will pray for you
 
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eternally-gratefull

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SophieT said:
so you think I said Romans 6 refers to water?

your herrings are a rare shade of very red
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It’s like his anti calvinists rants he can’t see past his own system. So he can not hear what others tell him and continually says things which are nit even close to what anyone is telling him
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your right, It was not part of the old

Johns was to point to Jesus, to prepare the way. Just like the law was to lead us to christ. As the law not only showed us WHY we need saved (for all have sinned) but HOW we are saved (the lamb of God)

water was never p[art of the salvation process.. Nor was it meant to be
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You conveniently forgot to respond to the rest of the post:

John's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was put into place as an introduction to what would later require the use of Jesus' name. (Luke 3:3) Jesus stated that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in his name beginning in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) Peter commanded everyone be baptized the the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin in Jerusalem just as Jesus said. This was the first time Jesus' name was used in connection with water baptism. Paul's command that the Ephesus disciples to be re-baptized in the name of the Lord speaks to water baptism being much more than some public display. Only after Jesus death, burial and resurrection could mankind's sins be remitted. There is none other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
 
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Wansvic said:
You conveniently forgot to respond to the rest of the post:

John's water baptism of repentance for the remission of sins was put into place as an introduction to what would later require the use of Jesus' name. (Luke 3:3) Jesus stated that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in his name beginning in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) Peter commanded everyone be baptized the the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin in Jerusalem just as Jesus said. This was the first time Jesus' name was used in connection with water baptism. Paul's command that the Ephesus disciples to be re-baptized in the name of the Lord speaks to water baptism being much more than some public display. Only after Jesus death, burial and resurrection could mankind's sins be remitted. There is none other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
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Oh I responded to it, you just can’t see it. Your to focused on proving yourself right than listening to what others might be telling you. so what they so is so far out there you think they did not respond to it.

reread what I said, it’s there, if you agree or not I can’t help. but it’s there
 
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Wansvic said:
Ridiculing God's word???? Guess you are not familiar with Ananias' instructions to the Apostle Paul's about his water baptism. (Acts 22:14-16) Water baptism has nothing to do with cleaning off natural dirt/sins. Man's obedience to GOD'S command prompts a spiritual reality.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't come under your or anyone else's condemnation. I am free in Christ and neither you nor any other baptismal regeneration false teacher are going to make any dent

I've been at this since I am 5 thank you very much and been around more than one block

grow up and quit with the false and very silly ridiculous false accusations

I can assure you I am way past being either insulted or alarmed by your crowing on the rooftop
 
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this I gotta see

could you please show us where he does that? :eek:
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Every believer that has ' Greekitus ' is unwittingly doing this . " Oh you see ,that translation really is a bad one , I prefer this one over here ,and then this one over here should really say ... because in the greek it says ... oh and that verse shouldn't be in there ... and the ending of such and such is not in the .... and the account of such and such is not found in the older and better most ... and that word in the greek ,when you stand on your head, squint your eyes just right ,you'll see the article and the conjunctivitis of the overture with the tritone punctulosious ,with the present future passive, fluid ,static grammaticculousus , trapezium you will see it really doesn't mean what you think it says "
 
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p_rehbein said:
No. The baptism of the Holy Spirit takes place when one gives their life to Jesus. This occurs most often when one kneels at an alter, but it can happen most anywhere.
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Not according to the word. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Acts 19:1-6
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It’s like his anti calvinists rants he can’t see past his own system. So he can not hear what others tell him and continually says things which are nit even close to what anyone is telling him
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that is easily seen. that is also why I had him on ignore but decided this was his day LOL!

seriously though, there are so many folks out there just like that. Dear God keep me from being one
 
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SophieT said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't come under your or anyone else's condemnation. I am free in Christ and neither you nor any other baptismal regeneration false teacher are going to make any dent

I've been at this since I am 5 thank you very much and been around more than one block

grow up and quit with the false and very silly ridiculous false accusations

I can assure you I am way past being either insulted or alarmed by your crowing on the rooftop
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You're back. I missed you. Hope all is well.
 
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throughfaith said:
Every believer that has ' Greekitus ' is unwittingly doing this . " Oh you see ,that translation really is a bad one , I prefer this one over here ,and then this one over here should really say ... because in the greek it says ... oh and that verse shouldn't be in there ... and the ending of such and such is not in the .... and the account of such and such is not found in the older and better most ... and that word in the greek ,when you stand on your head, squint your eyes just right ,you'll see the article and the conjunctivitis of the overture with the tritone punctulosious ,with the present future passive, fluid ,static grammaticculousus , trapezium you will see it really doesn't mean what you think it says "
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did you know I used to love bubble gum but have since given it up due to being wary of loosing a filling?

true dat
 
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SophieT said:
that is easily seen. that is also why I had him on ignore but decided this was his day LOL!

seriously though, there are so many folks out there just like that. Dear God keep me from being one
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Yeah I stopped responding to him along time ago. But I guess like you today seemed to say try again
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The fact remains that repent and gift of the spirit are second person plural object and subject where as be baptized is third person singular as related to remission of sin, NOT the gift of the spirit,

hence in no way was the gift of the spirit a result of being water baptized

spin it however you want, it’s is teaching salvation by ones own merit not by grace to say water baptism, not spirit baptism is how one receives remission of sin
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I did not say that getting water baptized automatically provides one with the Holy Spirit. What I said is that all of Peter's commands, belief, repentance, water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are all necessary parts of the spiritual rebirth process as reflected in other scripture.
 
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Wansvic said:
I did not say that getting water baptized automatically provides one with the Holy Spirit. What I said is that all of Peter's commands, belief, repentance, water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are all necessary parts of the spiritual rebirth process as reflected in other scripture.
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So can someone be born again without baptism in water?
 
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Wansvic said:
I did not say that getting water baptized automatically provides one with the Holy Spirit. What I said is that all of Peter's commands, belief, repentance, water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are all necessary parts of the spiritual rebirth process as reflected in other scripture.
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What Peter said in Acts 2.38 is not commanded in any epistles.
 
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