The word actual word in the Greek is 'harpazo' translated as 'caught up.' Those saints who came out of their tombs after Jesus was resurrected, did not get caught up to meet the Lord in the air and therefore it cannot be a rapture. Also, while it is true that they were resurrected, it was similar to when Lazarus was resurrected, which was in their mortal bodies and not in their immortal and glorified bodies and so they all experienced death again. When the saints of Israel are resurrected, so then will those people be resurrected and that in their immortal and glorified bodies.
Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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Bingo! You just put the church through the entire wrath of God, which Jesus already suffered!
You don't put much stock in what Jesus did for believers by taking upon himself God's wrath on behalf of every believer, do you?
Understand then that, by believing and teaching that the Lord is going to gather His church after the great tribulation, i.e. after His wrath, you are putting the church through God's wrath. There is no way around this. Why do you continue to bring in partial scriptural information to make your conclusion?
You don't put much stock in what Jesus did for believers by taking upon himself God's wrath on behalf of every believer, do you?
Understand then that, by believing and teaching that the Lord is going to gather His church after the great tribulation, i.e. after His wrath, you are putting the church through God's wrath. There is no way around this. Why do you continue to bring in partial scriptural information to make your conclusion?
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The door is shut to the Wedding in Heaven, but that only lasts for 7 years. If people get flooded they die he Natural death, but the flood during tribulation will not ARISE until the middle of the week. Thus people have plenty of time to repent, but they will still be in the flood (unless you are Jewish and repent, God protects her in the Patra/Bozrah area). So, if the Groom and Bride shut the doors to the Wedding to you, that only means you do not make the wedding, and since Jesus is juxtaposing the Wedding to the 70th week, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. But you an still repent. Jesus knows most love evil, they were fake Christians, so most will serve Satan, many will hate God because they think they should have been raptured etc. making their lives on earth as Christians a laughingstock, thus pride will kick in and they will despise God in their hearts.
Likewise, that's my point, once the Rapture happens, there will be no one else allowed to leave this earth during the 70th week, thus those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are those who came out of the Church Age Troubles, not the 70th week troubles.
Likewise, that's my point, once the Rapture happens, there will be no one else allowed to leave this earth during the 70th week, thus those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are those who came out of the Church Age Troubles, not the 70th week troubles.
The way around it is that you don't seem to understand what Jesus actually did.
Jesus taught that in the world there will be tribulation. The crucifixion that Jesus endured satisfied God's wrath in a spiritual sense. Those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ will be saved from the wrath to come - that is the wrath of hellfire and damnation, not the tribulation in the world.
This is evidenced by the fact that even born again Christians are currently facing hardships, persecution, and tribulation in the present and for the past almost 2,000 years.
You're wrongly conflating the great tribulation with the wrath of God. The persecution Christians have endured have been due to people in the world, just like Jesus taught. The great tribulation will be caused by protagonists such as Satan, beast, and false prophet. Not God.
Jesus taught that in the world there will be tribulation. The crucifixion that Jesus endured satisfied God's wrath in a spiritual sense. Those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ will be saved from the wrath to come - that is the wrath of hellfire and damnation, not the tribulation in the world.
This is evidenced by the fact that even born again Christians are currently facing hardships, persecution, and tribulation in the present and for the past almost 2,000 years.
You're wrongly conflating the great tribulation with the wrath of God. The persecution Christians have endured have been due to people in the world, just like Jesus taught. The great tribulation will be caused by protagonists such as Satan, beast, and false prophet. Not God.
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ok, does not really relate to what i said,
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cf...gg/ID/8517/Oil-as-Symbol-Gods-Holy-Spirit.htm
1 Samuel 16:13
Easy-to-Read Version
13 Samuel took the horn with the oil in it, and poured the special oil on Jesse’s youngest son in front of his brothers. The Spirit of the Lord came on David with great power from that day on. Then Samuel went back home to Ramah.
Exodus 30:31
And say to the Israelites, This is a holy anointing oil [symbol of the Holy Spirit], sacred to Me alone throughout your generations.
Exodus 37:29
He also made the holy anointing oil [symbol of the Holy Spirit] and the pure, fragrant incense, after the perfumer’s art.
2 Corinthians 1:21
Common English Bible
21 God is the one who establishes us with you in Christ and who anointed us.
James 5:14
Common English Bible
14 If any of you are sick, they should call for the elders of the church, and the elders should pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord.
In the religious context anointing was done with oil and became a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
You may find this book of interest:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Emblems_of_the_Holy_Spirit/BrQCAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cf...gg/ID/8517/Oil-as-Symbol-Gods-Holy-Spirit.htm
1 Samuel 16:13
Easy-to-Read Version
13 Samuel took the horn with the oil in it, and poured the special oil on Jesse’s youngest son in front of his brothers. The Spirit of the Lord came on David with great power from that day on. Then Samuel went back home to Ramah.
Exodus 30:31
And say to the Israelites, This is a holy anointing oil [symbol of the Holy Spirit], sacred to Me alone throughout your generations.
Exodus 37:29
He also made the holy anointing oil [symbol of the Holy Spirit] and the pure, fragrant incense, after the perfumer’s art.
2 Corinthians 1:21
Common English Bible
21 God is the one who establishes us with you in Christ and who anointed us.
James 5:14
Common English Bible
14 If any of you are sick, they should call for the elders of the church, and the elders should pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord.
In the religious context anointing was done with oil and became a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
You may find this book of interest:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Emblems_of_the_Holy_Spirit/BrQCAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
