Evolution

[StR0be]

you make lots of assumptions. The NIV is simply the translation I had closest to hand.

Lots of assumptions? How many approximately? I may grant you one, brother, but if you want more you will have to justify that statement.
Obviously, the authors of the NIV saw the problem and to try to make amends, changed the translation to suit their biases. I wouldn't be caught dead reading that travesty.

 

[StR0be]

Let me say this now, I am NOT a scientist so I have no intention of arguing in that manner. However, I am well aware of the huge progress that has been made by scientists and I have some idea of the amount of research that has been done and continues to be done by biologists. Christians are expending far too much energy in contending against evolution and are making Christianity a laughing stock in the same way as the flat earthers do. This is being led by wolves in sheep's clothing such as Kent Hovind and Ken Hamm who are driving people away from the faith. Please stop doing this, there is no justification for it. Evolution is no threat to the truth, it is a fact and the sooner we accept it the better. Telling a scientist that he can't believe in God and evolution is as dumb as telling an astronaut he can't believe in God and that the Earth is a globe!

 

[Dino246]

Lots of assumptions? How many approximately? I may grant you one, brother, but if you want more you will have to justify that statement.

You made one right here:

“Obviously, the authors of the NIV saw the problem and to try to make amends, changed the translation to suit their biases.”

Here are two more in one post:
“I understand why you favor the NIV. Because it backs up what you already believe. The consensus seems to go differently.”

I could identify more, but you will have to wait. I suggest you accept the accusation as valid and move on. Yes

 

[Dino246]

Let me say this now, I am NOT a scientist so I have no intention of arguing in that manner. However, I am well aware of the huge progress that has been made by scientists and I have some idea of the amount of research that has been done and continues to be done by biologists. Christians are expending far too much energy in contending against evolution and are making Christianity a laughing stock in the same way as the flat earthers do. This is being led by wolves in sheep's clothing such as Kent Hovind and Ken Hamm who are driving people away from the faith. Please stop doing this, there is no justification for it. Evolution is no threat to the truth, it is a fact and the sooner we accept it the better. Telling a scientist that he can't believe in God and evolution is as dumb as telling an astronaut he can't believe in God and that the Earth is a globe!

Yawn.

 

[StR0be]

Yawn.

Ha! I notice you haven't made any attempt to answer my question.
If Adam and Eve were the only two people living how can Genesis 3:20 make any sense.

 

[Jocund]

“Science observes…”. Thanks for refuting evolution in two words.

No scientist was around to “observe” evolution, and no macroevolution has been observed in the modern era.

Science makes predictions based on observed mechanisms. The scientific model of evolution is a theory (and clearly fallible on based on its changes over time). When used to predict the future, it basically tells us that 'kinds' of things will specialise into distinctive 'sub-kinds' that can't produce offspring outside of that 'sub-kind' (without medical intervention such as with ligers and tigons).

The question is about how this applied backwards. What are the basic "kinds"? Are tigers and lions two distinctive kinds? Or are they one kind? "beast of the earth after his kind" Is it possible that God created each kind by differentiating from a preexisting kind just as Adam was formed from a preexisting thing? Is it possible that each day in the creation story is a description of long periods of time instead of a standard day?

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." - Psalm 90:4 KJV

It isn't necessary to adopt this as your own personal interpretation, but leading from scripture it is a consistent interpretation. The confusion comes when anti-Christians try to use evolution theory as a means to say "God does not exist". They have twisted what the science actually says for their own purposes.

 

[Dino246]

Ha! I notice you haven't made any attempt to answer my question.
If Adam and Eve were the only two people living how can Genesis 3:20 make any sense.

I answered that already. You just didn’t like the answer.

 

[Dino246]

Science makes predictions based on observed mechanisms. The scientific model of evolution is a theory (and clearly fallible on based on its changes over time). When used to predict the future, it basically tells us that 'kinds' of things will specialise into distinctive 'sub-kinds' that can't produce offspring outside of that 'sub-kind' (without medical intervention such as with ligers and tigons).

The question is about how this applied backwards. What are the basic "kinds"? Are tigers and lions two distinctive kinds? Or are they one kind? "beast of the earth after his kind" Is it possible that God created each kind by differentiating from a preexisting kind just as Adam was formed from a preexisting thing? Is it possible that each day in the creation story is a description of long periods of time instead of a standard day?

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." - Psalm 90:4 KJV

It isn't necessary to adopt this as your own personal interpretation, but leading from scripture it is a consistent interpretation. The confusion comes when anti-Christians try to use evolution theory as a means to say "God does not exist". They have twisted what the science actually says for their own purposes.

To the “thousand years” issue, ripping a statement from its context and applying it in an unrelated context is not sound hermeneutics.

To the “prediction” issue, that is speculation, not science. When one person describes speculation and another declares it as “fact”, something is seriously wrong with the picture.

 

[StR0be]

I answered that already. You just didn’t like the answer.

No, you didn't answer. Even the NIV translation doesn't make any sense. Why did she only get to be called Eve after the fall when she was just called "woman" before?

 

[CS1]

I beg your pardon, I looked at your profile and it says you're American. I thought you understood English in the USA. Please read what I wrote a bit more carefully.

I beg your Pardon and will tell you to please stop being rude and arrogant. I will tell you I care not to have a conversation with you so please carry on as the buffoon you are.

thank you

 

[StR0be]

I beg your Pardon and will tell you to please stop being rude and arrogant. I will tell you I care not to have a conversation with you so please carry on as the buffoon you are.

thank you

You're welcome, I would be very happy to oblige if you weren't an overprivileged ignoramus who thinks he can tell me what to do.
Well, I suppose you are quite within your rights to tell me but thankfully, I am well within mine to completely ignore your orders.

 

[CS1]

You're welcome, I would be very happy to oblige if you weren't an overprivileged ignoramus who thinks he can tell me what to do.
Well, I suppose you are quite within your rights to tell me but thankfully, I am well within the mine to completely ignore your orders.

look in the mirror buffoon, and I did not give you an order it was a request. I will place you on "ignore" before you are banned.

good day,

 

[StR0be]

look in the mirror buffoon, and I did not give you an order it was a request. I will place you on "ignore" before you are banned.

good day,

I had a look in the mirror, I see pretty much the same as I ever did except a bit older and a lot wiser.

 

[DeanM]

At an allotted time determined by God.

Lol

 

[DeanM]

You're welcome, I would be very happy to oblige if you weren't an overprivileged ignoramus who thinks he can tell me what to do.
Well, I suppose you are quite within your rights to tell me but thankfully, I am well within mine to completely ignore your orders.

Over privilaged?

 

[StR0be]

Over privilaged?

I'm pretty sure I spelled it correctly though. Apologies if not.

 

[Unearthed]

“Science observes…”. Thanks for refuting evolution in two words.

No scientist was around to “observe” evolution, and no macroevolution has been observed in the modern era.

I wasn't around to observe the holocaust, but I still believe it happened...because I have evidence.

 

[StR0be]

I wasn't around to observe the holocaust, but I still believe it happened...because I have evidence.

I wonder if anyone was around to observe God creating things. That doesn't generally stop "creation scientists" bleating on interminably about that.

 

[DeanM]

I'm pretty sure I spelled it correctly though. Apologies if not.

My spelling mistake. Still want to know why he is over privileged.

 

[DeanM]

I smell a troll.