50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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And that is the War will continue until the end, that Daniel mention Dan. 9:26, and on top of it all,
and desolations have been decreed, committing horrible SINS in Jerusalem:
Zechariah 14:2 (HCSB)
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
Are you blind to all of this? If that is the case, your False Prophet has blinded you.
The Nations gather to make war against Israel, in the Valley of Megiddo, then go on to ISRAEL to make WAR against the KING of kings.
Your second coming scriptures leave out His THIRD (3rd) coming.
He is coming the next time (2nd coming) FOR His church, but only to the air, as shown in 1 Thes. 4 - a coming scripture you failed to list. He will come the 3rd time and touch down. Acts tells us He will come just as they saw Him leave, and Rev. 19 shows this coming.
Trying to force two more comings into one simply does not work.
He is coming the next time (2nd coming) FOR His church, but only to the air, as shown in 1 Thes. 4 - a coming scripture you failed to list. He will come the 3rd time and touch down. Acts tells us He will come just as they saw Him leave, and Rev. 19 shows this coming.
Trying to force two more comings into one simply does not work.
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Nope. There are just 2 Advents. Both of which were prophesied in the OT.
Nope. I didn't fail anything. I properly understand Scripture. 1 Thess 4 says NOTHING about Jesus returning to heaven (HUGE U-turn) with resurrected and raptured believers. So it is describing His FINAL (and second, for those who are counting) return to earth, where He will set up His Kingdom.
I believe all the rapture verses show him coming "in the clouds". Your "3rd coming" is really the second and FINAL coming.
Of course it doesn't. Why do you do that?
First Advent: Jesus comes to earth as a baby, and is the suffering servant and Savior.
Second Advent: Jesus comes to earth as King and Judge.
Both were prophesied in Scripture. No other visit was prophesied.
Nope. I didn't fail anything. I properly understand Scripture. 1 Thess 4 says NOTHING about Jesus returning to heaven (HUGE U-turn) with resurrected and raptured believers. So it is describing His FINAL (and second, for those who are counting) return to earth, where He will set up His Kingdom.
I believe all the rapture verses show him coming "in the clouds". Your "3rd coming" is really the second and FINAL coming.
Of course it doesn't. Why do you do that?
First Advent: Jesus comes to earth as a baby, and is the suffering servant and Savior.
Second Advent: Jesus comes to earth as King and Judge.
Both were prophesied in Scripture. No other visit was prophesied.
We don't form scripture from one lone verse, but from all end time verses. What 1 Thes 4 does not say, John 14 does say.
Whenever Jesus comes, glory clouds follow Him. This fact alone does not tell us much about which coming a verse is about.
If this was true, you would now He is coming twice more.
What you miss: no prophet in the Old Testament understood anything about the Gentile church of today. It was added as a parenthesis to Jewish time because Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. For the church, we find our doctrine in the Pauline Epistles. There is very little in the gospels pointed directly at the Gentile church of today.
If you wish to stay behind and try to live through God's wrath, when scripture tells us you will be "overcome" of course you can. But why not take God's escape route out of here and enjoy the time of God's wrath on earth, in heaven with the rest of the church?
TRUTH:
First Advent: Jesus comes to earth as a baby, and is the suffering servant and Savior.
Second advent: Jesus comes to the clouds FOR His bride.
Third Advent: Jesus comes to earth as King and Judge.
Whenever Jesus comes, glory clouds follow Him. This fact alone does not tell us much about which coming a verse is about.
If this was true, you would now He is coming twice more.
What you miss: no prophet in the Old Testament understood anything about the Gentile church of today. It was added as a parenthesis to Jewish time because Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. For the church, we find our doctrine in the Pauline Epistles. There is very little in the gospels pointed directly at the Gentile church of today.
If you wish to stay behind and try to live through God's wrath, when scripture tells us you will be "overcome" of course you can. But why not take God's escape route out of here and enjoy the time of God's wrath on earth, in heaven with the rest of the church?
TRUTH:
First Advent: Jesus comes to earth as a baby, and is the suffering servant and Savior.
Second advent: Jesus comes to the clouds FOR His bride.
Third Advent: Jesus comes to earth as King and Judge.
I forgot to mention , that WAR could be World War III, a fuel scale Nuclear War. The city of Jerusalem half them population goes into voluntary Exile. Most are killed, EXCEPT for the 144,000 sealed by the Holy Spirit, flews the to the East into Jordan after HIS feet touch down on the Mt. of Olives. He sends them out, through that Valley after the mountain splits to a place of safety. AND TURNS to the Valley of Megiddo to end ALL WHO ARE TRYING TO STOP HIS RETURN.
Rev. 14:20 – Then the press was trampled outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press up to the horses’ bridles for about 180 miles. (HCSB)
That is How many combatants on in that VALLEY that are killed instantly.
Zechariah 14:12 (HCSB)
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
YES, I believe that all is to be interpreted LITERALLY.
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Rev 14 is neither the rapture or the second coming.
But in the rapture of 1 Thes 4 and rev 14 jesus meets them in the atmosphere.
Most here miss the plan and purposes of end times
It is the gathering of the gentile bride and the wayward wife.
Then earths redemption with the devil on pause
The wicked judged
The new jerusalem on into eternity
Not " daniel study"...endlessly connecting dots. Un numbered dots
But in the rapture of 1 Thes 4 and rev 14 jesus meets them in the atmosphere.
Most here miss the plan and purposes of end times
It is the gathering of the gentile bride and the wayward wife.
Then earths redemption with the devil on pause
The wicked judged
The new jerusalem on into eternity
Not " daniel study"...endlessly connecting dots. Un numbered dots
Nor do I.
Just what does John say about a pretrib rapture? Make sure there's context that supports one.
Yep. In every rapture verse. Which are Second Coming verses.
There's only a Second Advent.
I haven't missed that. The fact is, it isn't relevant to end times and Christ's Second Advent.
[QUTOE] It was added as a parenthesis to Jewish time because Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. For the church, we find our doctrine in the Pauline Epistles. There is very little in the gospels pointed directly at the Gentile church of today.[/QUOTE]
More irrelevancy.
I hope you're not serious here. When Jesus comes to resurrect the accompanying dead saints and rapture all living saints, there won't be decisions about whether to "stay behind" or not. That is just ludicrous.
Just what does John say about a pretrib rapture? Make sure there's context that supports one.
Yep. In every rapture verse. Which are Second Coming verses.
There's only a Second Advent.
I haven't missed that. The fact is, it isn't relevant to end times and Christ's Second Advent.
[QUTOE] It was added as a parenthesis to Jewish time because Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. For the church, we find our doctrine in the Pauline Epistles. There is very little in the gospels pointed directly at the Gentile church of today.[/QUOTE]
More irrelevancy.
I hope you're not serious here. When Jesus comes to resurrect the accompanying dead saints and rapture all living saints, there won't be decisions about whether to "stay behind" or not. That is just ludicrous.