answer my question, sir!
Do you even know the Greek word for Saved/ salvation? AS Jesus said those words NOW answer it please if you can.
Sozu/ Sotiria
answer my question, sir!
Do you even know the Greek word for Saved/ salvation? AS Jesus said those words NOW answer it please if you can.
It is interesting that so many refuse to accept what scripture clearly expresses. Receiving the Holy Ghost produces the evidence of speaking in tongues as stated by the Apostle Peter. I could include many other references but the following is evidence of when "Pentecostal" began.Then what is in your eyes an pentecostal?
The name pentecostal came up with the events in Topeka and Azuza. And the teaching that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit.
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F.e. Rolling on the floor, screaming, laughing out of controle, making Horse noises ore falling Backward.
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4I can't say because I'm not familiar with every form and expression of Pentecostalism.
What I am saying is the doctrine of latter rain is false and the doctrine of speaking in tongues as the outward sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is false. Every Pentecostal group I've ever encountered hold to these two doctrines in one form or another. These are the two doctrines Parham believed and were instrumental in what eventually was the "outpouring of the Holy Spirit" on New Year's eve. If there are Pentecostals who don't buy into these sketchy doctrines then I say kudos and blessings to them.
It is interesting that so many refuse to accept what scripture clearly expresses. Receiving the Holy Ghost produces the evidence of speaking in tongues as stated by the Apostle Peter. I could include many other references but the following is evidence of when "Pentecostal" began.
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:32-33
So, when Paul says, "Do not forbid speaking in tongues", your church decides to contradict him.
If so, then the first Christians with the Holy Spirit out of the bible, you will find 1900 in Topeka, USA.
And I never met Christians during my whole life in germany.
But I know I have received the Holy Spirit and I got also an gift, as the bible says.
you have the right to be wrongTrue, it says: Don't forbid speaking in tongues; but, it doesn't say: Don't forbid speaking gibberish, which, I'm sorry to say, is what passes for tongues these days.
I keep typing so much but I can't stop thinking about "kudos and blessings to them.". For me praise God you love Jesus. Your personal belief does not out weight the word of God nor does mine. Thats all this is.. you made a post about something YOU personally do not agree with and said that. So bless those that believe like you? What about me? No kudos or blessing.. just because I disagree.
Parham.. seems you didn't search fully on the man. No I don't agree with ever thing but he was a great man of God. Many signs and wonders happened in his life. Yet you came away with "false doctrine" according to how you personally believe. Yes I went back and searched again on him and what some others said and things he wrote and said. Looked for things written by those I don't know.
What God said through Joel quoted by Luke in Acts will happen. For me says "last days". Thats it.. I believe. Now luke 11 13 ask the Father.. have you done this since you believed? Ask from heart see what happens. Oh Praham I think it was newyears haha there were many there and he prayed for a woman according to Luke 11 13 and for the first time she could speak in Chinese and write it. No one knew Parham to lie but.. thats a path anyone can take.
Thank you for sharing.. I mean that. I disagree. False doctrine gets used so much today.. doesnt mean what it use to
not enough apparently. Because Azusa was not a Parham thingI've studied Parham quite thoroughly. What I posted, as I mentioned in my original post, was a very short history. It was never intended to be a complete bio of Parham, but to show the origins of what would later become Pentecostalism.
I know Parham was horrified by what he witnessed at Azusa when he visited there.
One's opinion of what they will and will not accept from the Word will determine where they will spend eternity.Just because something was written in the Bible, doesn't mean it applies to us, today.
Look in Strongs ore some dictorys. Then i must not explain it to you.What do the words mean now that you googled it?
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
"This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:32-33
YOu don't understand the Holy Spirit. No one said you don't have the Holy Spirit. YOu think Pentecostals are, No we are not.
IT was Jesus who said you shall receive Power after the Holy Spirit comes upon you. You do not understand upon over in you.
Every person who is saved has the Holy Sprit in them, yet not all have been empowered yet due to the Holy Spirit has not come upon them to do A WORK.
iT WAS Jesus WHO SAID IN THE Gospel of John chapter 14
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
He will be with you and in you. You can see this throughout the Bible in both Old and New Testaments
The Spirit of the Lord came upon David, Samson, Elijah Moses. The Prophet Joel in chapter two is talking about that very thing.
FYI King Saul and Samson both had the Holy Spirit come upon them YET The Holy Spirit the Spirit of the Lord departed from them both.
Look in Strongs ore some dictorys. Then i must not explain it to you.
But in short, depend in which context it is used the meaning is salvation (soul) ore healing ( physical) the most time in view of the eternity. If i am not wrong.
excuse me I have asked you. and you don't if you did not google what saved is in Greek you would not have known.I have anwered to wanswick. Please read what he has written, instead of telling me I dont understand the Holy Spirit.
True, it says: Don't forbid speaking in tongues; but, it doesn't say: Don't forbid speaking gibberish, which, I'm sorry to say, is what passes for tongues these days.
Scripture as provided shows that Pentecostal beliefs began on the Day of Pentecost. And these truths have continued throughout history and will continue until Jesus returns.If so, then the first Christians with the Holy Spirit out of the bible, you will find 1900 in Topeka, USA.
And I never met Christians during my whole life in germany.
But I know I have received the Holy Spirit and I got also an gift, as the bible says.