Evolution

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it really is simple :
  1. evolution is a theory, not truth. it has been taught as truth yet without scientific proof.
  2. it also depends on one world view We here at CC most have what is known as a Christian worldview, not a secular humanistic one.
  3. Christians hold to the bible as the word of God which provides enough for us to this very point God is. God is the first Cause uncaused. HE is the self-existent One.
  4. The Bible doesn't provide every single detail of man other than God made us. In context to the eyeball I think also missed the fact there is not one Eyeball that has been found in a person that is the same details as one with the same color eye, just like the fingerprint. In addition, those who look at the eyeball and try to suggest the development of the eye over millions of years is very funny because it happens every day in the womb of the mother and completed 5 months after birth.

  6. Which I might add is a big problem for those who hold to the theory of evolution. I can go one but I think most evolutionist heads just exploded with what I said thus far. :)
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Gravity is also a theory. Do you not believe that gravity exists?
I am also a Christian, as you know. I however do not reject truths about the world in which I live for purely dogmatic reasons.

See my post (number 14) in this thread.
 
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Gravity is also a theory. Do you not believe that gravity exists?
I am also a Christian, as you know. I however do not reject truths about the world in which I live for purely dogmatic reasons.

See my post (number 14) in this thread.
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When do humanists say man aquired a soul? When our ancestors crawled from the swamp? When man turned into monkeys? When did it happen?
 
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Evolution = global warming = cultural marxism = atheism, etc

All these are just alternate religions for those who reject Christianity.
 
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Unearthed said:
Gravity is also a theory. Do you not believe that gravity exists?
I am also a Christian, as you know. I however do not reject truths about the world in which I live for purely dogmatic reasons.

See my post (number 14) in this thread.
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LOL good try Sir, Issac Newton, changed the way we understand the Universe. Revered in his own lifetime, he discovered the laws
( that is not a theory) of gravity and motion and invented calculus.

FYI if you think Gravity is THEORY please jump off a four-story building.
 
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So far, I have yet to meet an atheist that can explain the origin of life.
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Indeed!

And that is why Evolution fails in that specific area as it does. Spewing Uranium into small ponds to create organisms that eventually evolve into the next phase, is a literal fairy tale that anyone trying to stick it to God will whole mind/body/soul buy like it's ocean front property in the desert.
 
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Evolution does not seek to explain the big bang theory, the origin of the universe, or how life started.
They're different topics entirely.
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But if you reread my post that you've quoted, you will understand that was not my intention or point. You will see my intention that without the Big Bang there is no Earth, without Earth there is no Evolution evolved from the components of Earth (which those components came directly from the Bang).

But Science itself has never proven the Big Bang.
This is why they claim Evolution is not connected even though Science Videos show the Bang caused mass chaos of debris and the Earth was created by debris colliding and reshaping and coming under subjection to the Laws of Physics. And just how Earth came to be, so did the constellations, each Galaxy, each Sun, each Planet, each Moon.
So in truth, one does need the other.
 
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When do humanists say man aquired a soul? When our ancestors crawled from the swamp? When man turned into monkeys? When did it happen?
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I have no idea. However, I don't see how that is directly relevant.

CS1 said:
LOL good try Sir, Issac Newton, changed the way we understand the Universe. Revered in his own lifetime, he discovered the laws
( that is not a theory) of gravity and motion and invented calculus.

FYI if you think Gravity is THEORY please jump off a four-story building.
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My point exactly.
I don't understand why you call evolution "just a theory" and gravity a fact.
You use the word "theory" as a strange kind of put down, which I really don't understand.
The 'laws' that you say Newton discovered have since been replaced by our understanding of relativistic motion (Einstein).
 
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Except it does not fit at all well. There is zero evidence that evolution has ever taken place. I say evidence advisedly. No one has observed evolution and for every postulated theory there are ample arguments to undo those theories.

Evolutionists have become intellectually dishonest. They've changed their terminology to "prove" that evolution happens. It used to be known as adaptation, which is observable and logical. One "kind" of creature becoming another does not happen. I avoid the word species here because it's somewhat vague and it is not in the Bible.

Christians who believe evolution have to call God a liar. His word makes it clear what He did in the beginning. It also makes a mockery of the creation of man and mankind's supreme position in God's creation. It makes the concept of sin meaningless. I've read all kinds of intellectual gymnastics that try to force God's word into an evolutionary world view. None of them make any sense.

Just some advice. If your worldview clashes with what the Bible has to say, revise your worldview. it's called "the renewing of the mind" and is essential for spiritual growth. (Romans 12:2)
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As someone who works directly with Biologist and Chemist who spend hours looking through microscopes at billions of microbes, microorganisms, bacteria, much of our own genetics (not genetics crossing into other Specie, just talking about humans only) can be linked directly to our own biological makeup. How do you think we decay after death? Our bodies are comprised with billions of these microbes and bacteria. The Dust of the Earth the WORD used in Creation was full of these microbes/microorganisms/bacteria. It was His design for how we live, pass our genetics, and decompose.
 
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Evolution = global warming = cultural marxism = atheism, etc

All these are just alternate religions for those who reject Christianity.
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Evolution causes global warming and is linked to Communism!

New one on me! :unsure:
 
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Unearthed said:
I have no idea. However, I don't see how that is directly relevant.


My point exactly.
I don't understand why you call evolution "just a theory" and gravity a fact.
You use the word "theory" as a strange kind of put down, which I really don't understand.
The 'laws' that you say Newton discovered have since been replaced by our understanding of relativistic motion (Einstein).
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Not relevant? Expected answer.
 
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DeanM said:
Not relevant? Expected answer.
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Yes, not relevant.
Some have attempted to turn this thread, about evolution, into a thread about the beginning of the universe, the big bang and the origin of life.
Not relevant at all, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution.
 
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Yes, not relevant.
Some have attempted to turn this thread thread, about evolution, into a thread about the beginning of the universe, the big bang and the origin of life.
Not relevant at all, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution.
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It certainly does. If your an evolutionist you surely have some theory.
 
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Unearthed said:
I have no idea. However, I don't see how that is directly relevant.


My point exactly.
I don't understand why you call evolution "just a theory" and gravity a fact.
You use the word "theory" as a strange kind of put down, which I really don't understand.
The 'laws' that you say Newton discovered have since been replaced by our understanding of relativistic motion (Einstein).
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Have you heard of the LAW of Flight?

I call it theory and that was being polite.

Jesus is the Person who spoke the term Saved and salvation in context to HIM being the Only way, truth, and life
IF I want to know what is Christian I must 1. know what the word means = Christ Follower". 2. If I am Following Christ and believe all HE has said then I form my world view ON HIS words.

In contrast the founder of evolution Charles Darwin 1. turned from God to a demonic lie that removed God from being the Creator.

Some would say he too was a Christian... was. IF the founder of evolution denied The very existence of God and created a theory out of the Non-existence of God and then the very foundation of this theory is anti-God.

Now AS FAR AS PUTDOWN'S GO I did notices the sarcasm in your comment as most evolutionists like to do and remember Charles Darwin too was called " Christian" you said :

Gravity is also a theory. Do you not believe that gravity exists?

Yet you had no response to my point of Sir Issac Newton.
 
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When did man aquire a soul? Fish stage? Monkey stage? Pretty simple question.
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Genesis 2 explains God FORMED man from the Dust of the Earth.
Between this Moment and the Moment God BREATHED into the FORMED man's nostril, man is DEAD, just a FORM.
The Moment God BREATHES LIFE into man, is the Moment man becomes mind/body/soul.
 
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Genesis 2 explains God FORMED man from the Dust of the Earth.
Between this Moment and the Moment God BREATHED into the FORMED man's nostril, man is DEAD, just a FORM.
The Moment God BREATHES LIFE into man, is the Moment man becomes mind/body/soul.
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Agreed. Im just curious how a christian evolutionist would answer. Seems he cant.
 
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Unearthed said:
Yes, not relevant.
Some have attempted to turn this thread, about evolution, into a thread about the beginning of the universe, the big bang and the origin of life.
Not relevant at all, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution.
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LOL

you said : in your opening of this thread

"A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:"


YEA!!!!! this is a thread about evolution just as you have made it.
 
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When did man aquire a soul? Fish stage? Monkey stage? Pretty simple question.
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I don't like the tone of your question.
"Pretty simply question" feels like you're talking down to me. Please stop, otherwise you will be reported to moderators.

As regards your question, I don't have the answer to that.
 
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