Put simply; if God has already chosen who will be saved and nothing we can do will change that choice, do we have free will?
Specifically aimed at Calvinists.
If I understand the terms correctly, it's 'hypercalvinism' that doesn't believe in free will at all. While almost anyone who believes in predestination a d fate is accused of believing there is no free will, as far as I know it's only a small minority that go that far.
Traditional reformed theology includes the concept of 'irresistible calling' - which is briefly, that if God purposes to save you, your free will cannot overcome His divine purpose; He will call you, draw you, and work in you to conform your will to His own. Implicit in this is the notion that we indeed have free will, with the caveat that God does also, and His will is greater than our power to resist Him.
I'm not Calvinist, but I have always questioned this one.Put simply; if God has already chosen who will be saved and nothing we can do will change that choice, do we have free will?
Specifically aimed at Calvinists.
the flesh is not saved.I'm not Calvinist, but I have always questioned this one.
If God took "free will" or the choice to accept him or not accept him away from the salvation process, then why wouldn't he do the same during the sanctification process?
Why would he allow any of the "chosen" to sin? Why wouldn't he just take their "free will" or choice to sin away?
Well it isn't as simple as yes or no because Calvinism like many denominations has different branches of belief. The thing is many know the scriptures and many know the word of God and are well versed in defending it and their beliefs but if you do all this without taking into account who God is then it's all in vain.Put simply; if God has already chosen who will be saved and nothing we can do will change that choice, do we have free will?
Specifically aimed at Calvinists.
The better question is does God believe in our free will?Put simply; if God has already chosen who will be saved and nothing we can do will change that choice, do we have free will?
Specifically aimed at Calvinists.
Well it isn't as simple as yes or no because Calvinism like many denominations has different branches of belief. The thing is many know the scriptures and many know the word of God and are well versed in defending it and their beliefs but if you do all this without taking into account who God is then it's all in vain.
We call him father and parents are physical representation of himj because he fashioned humans to be in his image, if you had a kid and you loved them you would have them do as you say but a child always has the optiion to either do as you say or not.
To understand us and father we never have to look far free will is evident just from the fact that as children we had the option to listen to our parents or not, God is many things he is almighty he is order he is glory but above all other things he is love and is the original parent. We can debate all the scriptures we want but if it contradicts his nature then it is like doing your math but because you don't understand how the njumbers add up you just keep getting different outcomes.
I think we need to answer the question.. What is free will (mans nature)? What is the will free from? More importantly what does the bible say about mans nature? Are mans choices 'free' from this nature? I don't think there is much point asserting that man has free will if you can't explain biblically what man's will is free from?
Good question, Jesus said you can not serve two mastersYes, "how free is 'free?'"
We certainly can't just decide to walk on air or instantly be 30 years younger by our will. We can't just will ourselves to like a food we can't stomach or become patient because we've decided to be.
So our will is not completely free; we have limitations and predilections. How far does that go?
Do we ever use our will to do anything other than evil? If we ever do good, is it our will or God working in us?
Do we ever use our will to do anything other than evil? If we ever do good, is it our will or God working in us?
Well I meant it in more than one way, yes I did mean him as the father of men but also as those who are in Christ. The Hebrews if I am not mistaken have more than one kind of kin they have a direct kin and also a distant kin kind of like how we here in america have say 2 cousons or distant relatives they are still family just not direct family.Some good points you make blain. The thing we need to think about is in what respect is God the father of men. Are you referring to the sense that God is the father of all men in relation to him being the creator, or as Father in the salvific sense, ie, Adopted as son's in christ. Are the unregenerate the same 'type' of sons as those who are in Christ? Doe's God love those who are not in Christ in the same manner?
I'm thinking along the lines of general grace and special grace may help our understand here?
Many of lost people do good things...