How We Can Tell If We Possess The Agape of God

[throughfaith]

There's no such thing as a pre tribulation rapture that leaves people "left behind" because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV plainly says the day when Lord Jesus comes "as a thief' - the same day Paul says will not "overtake" us as it will thieves in 1 Thessalonians 5:4 KJV - there won't be 7 more minutes of anything, let alone 7 more years.

What 'day ' of the Lord ?

 

[throughfaith]

Says it in so many other places, doesn't it?

Paul says if we fall away after having being made partakers of the Holy Ghost, it will be impossible for us to repent.

Peter says if we again become entangled with that from which we've escaped, the latter end will be worse than the beginning.

See what I did there? I showed you how we have to take the whole Bible together when formulating doctrine, not just the parts we like

No all you have done is ignored the end of Rom 8?

 

[throughfaith]

I don't know...why was Jesus so passionate about the lies taught in the name of religion in His day?

Oh right...because religious lies lead people to the Lake of Fire.

BTW, I don't preach "works salvation" and the most vile, evil, hate-filled, unlawful, disrespectful people in church are the OSAS/Antinomianist crowd who claim to have a corner on the market of love and compassion and tolerate every stripe and type of sin EXCEPT the person who shows up calling sin by it's rightful name: that's when their claws, fangs, horns, and all the other attributes of their father the devil come out.

Why are you not sad about the Situation you believe? Why are you angry about it? I'm mean apathy would be one thing ,but why do those who hold to salvation by works like your self , rant and rave ? Surely you should weep to see brothers and sisters potentially going to hell. Why are you not evangelising outside churches ?

 

[posthuman]

If "lukewarm" is unacceptable to God, how much more unacceptable is "cold"?

let's ask Jesus !

I would thou wert cold or hot. ​

(Revelation 3:15) ​

amazing!

 

[posthuman]

Again, if "lukewarm" is cause for Christ's rejection, how much more is "cold"?

let's ask Him again!

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:
I would thou wert cold or hot!
(Revelation 3:15)
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wow!

 

[posthuman]

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
with all your soul, and with all your strength.
(Deuteronomy 6:5)
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אָהַב​

aheb​

to love​

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The LORD tests the righteous,​

but the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.
(Psalm 11:5)

אָהַב
aheb
to love
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[posthuman]

Is English your first language? I never said anything of the kind. I said "agapao" means "to love" but "agape" is "Godly, unconditional love".

Good thing you ain't a meteorologist because you don't seem to understand that even though it's all snow, there's a big difference between a a snow flurry and a blizzard just like the difference between "agapao" and "agape".

both to flurry and to pour snow are verbs
but you're saying snow falling from the air ((the verb of snow)) is radically different than snow on the ground ((the noun of snow))

???

and how neatly you ignored John 13:34-35!
how is it that you totally skipped Christ commanding us to love ((verb)) saying having this love ((noun)) that He loved ((verb)) us with, loving ((verb)) one another is how it is known we belong to Him?

if you won't listen to Jesus, maybe you'd rather hear it from John?

Beloved ((agapetos)), let us love ((agapao)) one another: ​

for love ((agape)) is of God; and every one that loveth ((agapao)) is born of God, and knoweth God.​

(1 John 4:7)​

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now i've proven to you that God Himself, Jesus Christ, makes agapao and agape equivalent in substance -- and also His disciple makes love ((verb)) and love ((noun)) equivalent, but you insist they are different -- so who are you? and where does your weird doctrine come from?

 

[posthuman]

Why are you not sad about the Situation you believe? Why are you angry about it? I'm mean apathy would be one thing ,but why do those who hold to salvation by works like your self , rant and rave ? Surely you should weep to see brothers and sisters potentially going to hell. Why are you not evangelising outside churches ?

i gather that this is the equivalent of that to him.
he goes from forum to forum on the internet trying to convince Christians not to have confidence in God, telling them their faith doesn't matter; that they will burn in hell if they don't keep sabbath.

 

[throughfaith]

I don't know...why was Jesus so passionate about the lies taught in the name of religion in His day?

Oh right...because religious lies lead people to the Lake of Fire.

BTW, I don't preach "works salvation" and the most vile, evil, hate-filled, unlawful, disrespectful people in church are the OSAS/Antinomianist crowd who claim to have a corner on the market of love and compassion and tolerate every stripe and type of sin EXCEPT the person who shows up calling sin by it's rightful name: that's when their claws, fangs, horns, and all the other attributes of their father the devil come out.

Again on a topic about love , your rage is tangible lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are ignoring the entire context of the NT!

I ask you, how much time did Jesus spend preaching about people being saved "eternally" and how much time did He preach about people being saved "physically"? I think the ratio is something like "3 1/2 years to ZERO"

Matthew 24:12-13 KJV is Jesus contrasting the eternal fate of those who were once filled with hot agape but be allowed iniquity to chill that agape cold and dead -- with those who remained faithful and endured to the end, and are saved.

BTW, Revelation says the "patience" ("endurance") of the saints is seen in those who "keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus". - Revelation 14:12 KJV

I am not talking about the nt, I am talking about matt 24,

and your the ignoring the NT. Trying to add works to the gospel. You have God giving eternal life to people who do not deserve it because they did not live up to your standard,

well Gods standard is higher than yours, it’s perfection, and guess what, we have all sinned and fallen short of that standard .

you included.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Too bad those in Matthew 24:12 KJV didn't realize this...they would have continued allowing Jesus to be king instead of iniquity, which killed their agape cold and dead, and Jesus would not have had to contrast their fate with those who "endure to the end" and are "saved".

Whatever dude

context destroys your thinking. It’s not about eternal life their, eternal life is eternal. The tribulation saints do not return to the law. The law never saved anyone

 

[Phoneman-777]

i say " believe ", as in believe in Jesus for salvation.

you " believe" really means " do good works and do not sin too much, or God will take away your salvation"

so, it is pretty evident who ignores word meanings and just adds there own definitions.

You say "believe" as in "the devils believe and tremble".

I say "believe" as in:
"I believe I must surrender my will to Jesus' will if I am to be saved" (Luke 22:42 KJV); that the Ten Commandments that He spoke at Sinai are His Commandments, of which the Two Commandments do not replace, but summarize (Psalms 78:1-2 KJV; Matthew 13:34-35 KJV); and that His will is that His Commandments be "within my heart" (Psalms 40:8 KJV)."

What's unbelievable is OSAS's claim that "salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of my impenitent heart in me."

 

[Phoneman-777]

Don't make assumptions; go and read.

You sure do a lot of barking orders at people. At least when me and Posthuman disagree, we do so in a Christlike manner.

You, sir, give no indication you belong to Christ with that attitude...are you Catholic? You'd make a fine Inquisitor.

 

[Phoneman-777]

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But we all, with uncovered face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.
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And we all, with unveiled face, continually seeing as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are progressively being transformed into His image from [one degree of] glory to [even more] glory, which comes from the Lord, [who is] the Spirit.
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We all, with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord and are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory; this is from the Lord who is the Spirit.
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All of us are looking with unveiled faces at the glory of the Lord as if we were looking in a mirror. We are being transformed into that same image from one degree of glory to the next degree of glory. This comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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1 Corinthians 13:12

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

There's a difference between the dysfunctional eyes of the Christian and the blindness of the sinner, but I like those verses nevertheless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You sure do a lot of barking orders at people. At least when me and Posthuman disagree, we do so in a Christlike manner.

You, sir, give no indication you belong to Christ with that attitude...are you Catholic? You'd make a fine Inquisitor.

You need to start reading your own posts.

You do not practice what you preach

 

[Dino246]

You sure do a lot of barking orders at people. At least when me and Posthuman disagree, we do so in a Christlike manner.

You, sir, give no indication you belong to Christ with that attitude...are you Catholic? You'd make a fine Inquisitor.

You find brevity offensive, but you would rather argue than do your homework to understand. I’m not “barking orders” at all. I simply see no need for additional words. You aren’t likely to accept my explanation of the excluded middle fallacy so I am not going to take the time to explain it.

 

[Evmur]

I would stop saying it if you OSAS LICENSE TO SIN PSUEDO-CHRISTIANS WOULD FIND JUST ONE VERSE THAT SAYS THE WICKED POSSESS OR PRACTICE "AGAPE" so until you all do, I'll keep saying it and there ain't a thing you can say Scripturally against it - have mercy, what does it take for you guys to condemn something other than a Christian who tells you the truth?
You don't know a thing about me, but I know what you've stated publicly: that breaking the Ten Commandments does not result in the Lake of Fire for those who do, but John says those who believe and practice religion as you do are liars who have zero truth in them.
The OSAS definition of "love" is "God will forgive me so I'll just keep doing it", which is "presumptuous sins" which David said those who practice that will be found guilty of the "Great Transgression".

If you love God will you have other gods before Him? Worship images? Blaspheme? Of course not. Jesus said if we love Him, we'll keep His commandments, the same ones He spoke at Sinai and called "My Law".
But, you refuse to keep the seventh day Sabbath - and on this your "love" stands exposed for what it really is: empty words.

These are just lies

Nobody says "God will forgive me so I' ll just keep doing it" I been saved more than 40 years and I never heard anyone say that. And why do YOU keep doing it? what is your excuse?

If it is so as you say that it is impossible for a wicked person to possessor practise agape then how have they lost their salvation? how were they ever saved?

We have kept His commandments, His commandment is "only believe" and love your neighbour and especially love each other. I've never seen a post from you where any love for anybody is evident .

You disobedient person.

 

[Ogom]

There's a difference between the dysfunctional eyes of the Christian and the blindness of the sinner, but I like those verses nevertheless.

i guess i do too. i don't know how many Christians with strong beliefs this way or that consider much what " in part" could really mean about themselves.

to only see in part or "darkly" could mean a whole lot is missing at any given time from any of our vision;

which, if one is not humble enough and/or open-minded enough at times (at least) to learn more from the Spirit and the Word, then many things will go unknown still to many Christians even after many years of being a Christian.

this reminds me of the verse, "let not many of you be teachers". because to whatever degree we don't know what we don't know... yet -- if we teach/ talk too much to others as an authority somehow, others may be misled by whatever we teach/ talk about.

but some believe in milky teachings and teach those to others, others meat, others strong meat -- many a mixture of things possible -- each with our own blind spots (1 Cor. 13: 9).

yet God knows all -- and those who reflect Him more may very well know more. and others -- even more.

any picking up their cross day by day or however much and following are following Light. and like Moses, when some turn around -- you might see so much more of the light -- a great Light -- reflections of that light.

those are the teachers to seek out maybe. but those who seek/knock, as the verse says -- will find.

 

[Diakonos]

Jesus contrasts two groups: (1) those that "shall endure to the end" and are "saved", and (2) the "many" who allow their love to grow cold

Tell me, @Phoneman-777 ,
Is group (1) the Church, or not the Church?[/QUOTE]

 

[Jocund]

I say "believe" as in:
"I believe I must surrender my will to Jesus' will if I am to be saved" (Luke 22:42 KJV); that the Ten Commandments that He spoke at Sinai are His Commandments, of which the Two Commandments do not replace, but summarize (Psalms 78:1-2 KJV; Matthew 13:34-35 KJV); and that His will is that His Commandments be "within my heart" (Psalms 40:8 KJV)."

First commandment:
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." - Mark 12:30

Second commandment:
"And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:31

These are not summaries of the 10 Mosaic commandments. Why are you arguing against scripture?