About the great flood

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Nehemiah6

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Moses was not present at creation, therefore he had to either gotten a revelation or copied info from oral tradition.
Whose oral traditions? That of the Egyptians among whom he was raised? Do you see how absurd that would be? The Egyptians were idolaters, but Moses' mother had taught him about the one true LORD God of Israel. And it was God Himself who gave Moses the divine revelations recorded in the Torah (which is regarded at one complete book or scroll of the Law).

Certainly neither Moses nor any man was present at creation. Therefore it was imperative that God give us the truth about creation. And the truth is that He created all things in six literal 24-hour days. Therefore the history of mankind begins with Adam, and the year of his creation is called "the Year of Man" (Anno Hominis or AH). You will find the Year of Man as the basis of Bible chronology in
The Chronology of the Old Testament by Martin Anstey.

But it is "by faith" that we understand that the worlds were framed by God. And without faith it is impossible to please Him.
 

TheLearner

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Whose oral traditions? That of the Egyptians among whom he was raised? Do you see how absurd that would be? The Egyptians were idolaters, but Moses' mother had taught him about the one true LORD God of Israel. And it was God Himself who gave Moses the divine revelations recorded in the Torah (which is regarded at one complete book or scroll of the Law).

Certainly neither Moses nor any man was present at creation. Therefore it was imperative that God give us the truth about creation. And the truth is that He created all things in six literal 24-hour days. Therefore the history of mankind begins with Adam, and the year of his creation is called "the Year of Man" (Anno Hominis or AH). You will find the Year of Man as the basis of Bible chronology in
The Chronology of the Old Testament by Martin Anstey.

But it is "by faith" that we understand that the worlds were framed by God. And without faith it is impossible to please Him.
Moses had contact with lots of ideas from lots of people including his own people. It is only an assumption that Moses was taught by his Mother. The only book written before the Torah was the Book of Job., I contend that the creation account was likely days of revelation. I can not prove this because there is no proof.
 

TheLearner

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Forgive me, how does the rain cycle work?
How does the water cycle work?
Water molecules are heated by the sun and turn into water vapor that rises into the air through a process called evaporation. Next, the water vapor cools and forms clouds, through condensation. Over time, the clouds become heavy because those cooled water particles have turned into water droplets. When the clouds become extremely heavy with water droplets, the water falls back to earth through precipitation (rain, snow, sleet, hail, etc). The process continues in a cyclical manner.
https://gpm.nasa.gov/resources/faq/how-does-water-cycle-work

The point of my question to how long it rained for Noah's Ark is simple really. If it is raining x number of days, then somewhere else on our planet the water is evaporating. Thus a worldwide flood becomes impossible because the same amount of water is being recycled into clouds that rains. A local flood is no problem with a rain cycle when you know simple science. :)
 

TheLearner

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There have been differing opinions concerning topics in the Bible and Science and God's Word always prevails.
In our minds friend, each of us thinks our interpretation of God's word prevails. As I pointed out before and often. Our interpretation is just that, our opinion which is not equal to being Scripture.
 

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In our minds friend, each of us thinks our interpretation of God's word prevails. As I pointed out before and often. Our interpretation is just that, our opinion which is not equal to being Scripture.
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And, yet nothing in your quote proves the Bible is a Science book.
With all due respect, The Bible is God's Word. Science has absolutely NOTHING to do with God's Word, creation, the flood...NOTHING.

Far as I'm concerned, God trumps science, as He is The Creator of ALL things.

You aren't here to try and discredit The Bible, are you? Just curious...
 

soberxp

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With all due respect, The Bible is God's Word. Science has absolutely NOTHING to do with God's Word, creation, the flood...NOTHING.

Far as I'm concerned, God trumps science, as He is The Creator of ALL things.

You aren't here to try and discredit The Bible, are you? Just curious...
Don't get excited. I met many people who had read the Bible and thought that God's flood was too cruel, so they didn't believe in such a God. God is omniscient, why does this happen.
Since we all think that God is almighty.
We can't limit the power of God.
1 Peter 3:19 seeking
what is that mean?
maybe something didn't all wrote in bible.

God destroyed those people. then Why 1 Peter 3:19

Did God raise these people?bring them back to life?

Some things are not very clear in the Bible.
 
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Don't get excited. I met many people who had read the Bible and thought that God's flood was too cruel, so they didn't believe in such a God. God is omniscient, why does this happen.
Since we all think that God is almighty.
We can't limit the power of God.
1 Peter 3:19 seeking
what is that mean?
maybe something didn't all wrote in bible.

God destroyed those people. then Why 1 Peter 3:19

Did God raise these people?bring them back to life?

Some things are not very clear in the Bible.

Not excited...just zealous when it comes to God's Word.
God bless.
 

Evers

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With all due respect, The Bible is God's Word. Science has absolutely NOTHING to do with God's Word, creation, the flood...NOTHING.

Far as I'm concerned, God trumps science, as He is The Creator of ALL things.

You aren't here to try and discredit The Bible, are you? Just curious...
Chart proves in the beginning... God created... science just stumbled on to what God ordained from the beginning...
 

Wansvic

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How does the water cycle work?
Water molecules are heated by the sun and turn into water vapor that rises into the air through a process called evaporation. Next, the water vapor cools and forms clouds, through condensation. Over time, the clouds become heavy because those cooled water particles have turned into water droplets. When the clouds become extremely heavy with water droplets, the water falls back to earth through precipitation (rain, snow, sleet, hail, etc). The process continues in a cyclical manner.
https://gpm.nasa.gov/resources/faq/how-does-water-cycle-work

The point of my question to how long it rained for Noah's Ark is simple really. If it is raining x number of days, then somewhere else on our planet the water is evaporating. Thus a worldwide flood becomes impossible because the same amount of water is being recycled into clouds that rains. A local flood is no problem with a rain cycle when you know simple science. :)
The comments you make show a total disrespect for God. You can believe as you wish but God does not lie. The total content of the Word of God was inspired by God Himself. And He is the final authority and has the power to do as He wishes in order to fulfill His purposes.
 

Wansvic

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How does the water cycle work?
Water molecules are heated by the sun and turn into water vapor that rises into the air through a process called evaporation. Next, the water vapor cools and forms clouds, through condensation. Over time, the clouds become heavy because those cooled water particles have turned into water droplets. When the clouds become extremely heavy with water droplets, the water falls back to earth through precipitation (rain, snow, sleet, hail, etc). The process continues in a cyclical manner.
https://gpm.nasa.gov/resources/faq/how-does-water-cycle-work

The point of my question to how long it rained for Noah's Ark is simple really. If it is raining x number of days, then somewhere else on our planet the water is evaporating. Thus a worldwide flood becomes impossible because the same amount of water is being recycled into clouds that rains. A local flood is no problem with a rain cycle when you know simple science. :)
Job 37:23-38:37

23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.
24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven...
 

PennEd

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If you are a Christian that believes what God has said out of His own mouth, then you have no choice but to believe the Flood was worldwide.


Genesis 9:11
New King James Version



11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”


So since there have been numerous local floods, that have killed innumerable people throughout history to this day, either God lied in the above passage, or the Flood was Worldwide.
 
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If you are a Christian that believes what God has said out of His own mouth, then you have no choice but to believe the Flood was worldwide.


Genesis 9:11
New King James Version



11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”


So since there have been numerous local floods, that have killed innumerable people throughout history to this day, either God lied in the above passage, or the Flood was Worldwide.
Simple as simple can get. Amen and Amen!
 

Wansvic

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Did I point out that he is using arguments that have been refuted and put aside by the YEC movement?
You point out a lot that has nothing to do with his message and proofs. As far as their being those who disagree, well imagine that. The Internet is full of opposing views. Just pick any topic and do a search.
 

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Isaiah 40:22

Brown-Driver-Briggs
חוּג noun [masculine] vault; — only of vault of the heavens חוּג שׁמים התהלך Job 22:14; בְּחֻקֿוֺ חוּג עלֿ תהום ׳פנ Proverbs 8:27; הישֵׁב עַלחֿוּג הארץ Isaiah 40:22.

Englishman's Concordance
Job 22:14
HEB: וְלֹ֣א יִרְאֶ֑ה וְח֥וּג שָׁ֝מַ֗יִם יִתְהַלָּֽךְ׃
NAS: And He walks on the vault of heaven.'
KJV: not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.
INT: cannot see the vault of heaven walks
Proverbs 8:27
HEB: אָ֑נִי בְּח֥וּקוֹ ח֝֗וּג עַל־ פְּנֵ֥י
NAS: When He inscribed a circle on the face
KJV: I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face
INT: he inscribed A circle on the face

Isaiah 40:22
HEB: הַיֹּשֵׁב֙ עַל־ ח֣וּג הָאָ֔רֶץ וְיֹשְׁבֶ֖יהָ
NAS: above the circle of the earth,
KJV: [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
INT: sits above the circle of the earth inhabitants

1. A circle is not a sphere.
2. The Hebrew word for "circle" is related to the Hebrew word for firmament.
3. Your source reads modern Science into the Bible.
4. The Vault refers to the Dome over the Land.

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A better translation of your last proof text is


Job 38:16

Easy-to-Read Version
“Have you ever gone to the deepest parts of the sea?
Have you ever walked on the ocean bottom?

Job 38:16
New Century Version
“Have you ever gone to where the sea begins
or walked in the valleys under the sea?

Your source reads modern Science into the Bible. That is just plain dishonest and not a proof of any kind.
 

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Rain did fall for 40 days and nights, at least where Noah was. How about planetwide? We found some data about the distribution of Earth's water. The values are in cubic kilometers (km3).

Oceans: 1,370,000,000
Cryosphere (ice): 29,000,000
Groundwater: 9,500,000
Lakes: 125,000
Soil: 65,000
Atmosphere: 13,000
Rivers: 1,700

We need a few more numbers to work with, namely Earth's dimensions.

Earth radius: 6378 km.
Earth surface area: 511,185,932 km2. (Simple geometry)

It is obvious that most of Earth's water is in the oceans, so let's look at rain. Rain is atmospheric water condensing and falling. The atmosphere contains about 13,000 km3 of water. If ALL of this water were to rain out of the atmosphere at the same time, it amount to about 2.5 cm of rain planetwide. That's ONE INCH!