About the great flood

[TheLearner]

"Volcanic eruptions

As with earthquakes, volcanic activity is linked to plate-tectonic processes. Most of the world's active above-sea volcanoes are located near convergent plate boundaries where subduction is occurring, particularly around the Pacific basin. However, much more volcanism -- producing about three quarters of all lava erupted on Earth -- takes place unseen beneath the ocean, mostly along the oceanic spreading centers, such as the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the East Pacific Rise."
https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/t...uptions,particularly around the Pacific basin.

"Plates are thought to float on the partially molten mantle, moving away from oceanic ridges where new plate material is produced and moving past each other or colliding along plate boundaries. Earthquakes and volcanoes are related to this movement.

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Colliding plates

Where plates come into contact, energy is released. Plates sliding past each other cause friction and heat. Subducting plates melt into the mantle, and diverging plates create new crust material.

Subducting plates, where one tectonic plate is being driven under another, are associated with volcanoes and earthquakes. This activity is focused along the edge of the plate boundary where two plates come into contact, forming regions such as the Pacific Ring of Fire – a chain of earthquake and volcanic activity around the edge of the Pacific Ocean – which generates 75% of the world’s volcanoes and 80% of the world’s earthquakes."

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/654-plate-tectonics-volcanoes-and-earthquakes


Volcanoes reaches 1,200 degrees Celsius. Volcanoes is are from slow moving plates. Picture the problems of fast moving plates.

 

[Evers]

Thank you for using universal language. Mount Hermon is only 9,232 feet high. "

All one can see from it is where the Jordan River empties into the Sea of Galilee. Clearly, they would not be able to see the New World.

"Mount Hermon sits about 60 miles north of the Sea of Galilee on the modern-day borders of Israel, Syria and Lebanon. It rises over 9,000 feet in elevation. Since the Sea of Galilee sits approximately 700 feet below sea level, the top of the mountain is nearly 10,000 feet above the location of this photograph. The Old Testament city of Dan and the New Testament city of Caesarea Philippi sit near the base of the mountain." https://www.exploringbiblelands.com/journal/2016/09/29/rare-view-of-mount-hermon

From the Hebrew Bible, we know that "
In Deuteronomy 3:8-3:9 and Joshua 12:1 and 13:11, Mount Hermon is depicted as the northern boundary of the Amorite kingdom, which following the conquest by Joshua was awarded to the half-tribe of Manasseh east of the Jordan River.[16]

The Book of Chronicles mentions Mount Hermon as a place where Epher, Ishi, Eliel, Azriel, Jeremiah, Hodaviah, and Jahdiel were the heads of their families (1 Chronicles 5:23–24)."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hermon#Hermon_range

We know of other places that could be seen.

Again, they would not be able to see the New World. Native Americans came to the USA about 20,000 years ago.

God’s word... “. All the kingdoms of the world...” nothing is impossible with God..

 

[Jocund]

The Bible says every living creature not on the ark died. I tend not to argue with the word

"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:" Genesis 7:21

With the exception of creatures of the sea... (and creatures from heaven above if that would be a category that applies).

 

[Jocund]

Here's an interesting takeaway: God never actually said He would never flood the earth again. He said He would never again cause a flood that would cut off all flesh nor a flood that would destroy the earth.

"And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." - Genesis 9:11 KJV

For instance, if all life was given the ability to breathe underwater and the earth was retained, the world could still be flooded according to this covenant.

 

[Evers]

Here's an interesting takeaway: God never actually said He would never flood the earth again. He said He would never again cause a flood that would cut off all flesh nor a flood that would destroy the earth.

"And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." - Genesis 9:11 KJV

For instance, if all life was given the ability to breathe underwater and the earth was retained, the world could still be flooded according to this covenant.

God did promise not to destroy the world by flood again...

Here's an interesting takeaway: God never actually said He would never flood the earth again. He said He would never again cause a flood that would cut off all flesh nor a flood that would destroy the earth.

"And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." - Genesis 9:11 KJV

For instance, if all life was given the ability to breathe underwater and the earth was retained, the world could still be flooded according to this covenant.

 

[Evers]

Here's an interesting takeaway: God never actually said He would never flood the earth again. He said He would never again cause a flood that would cut off all flesh nor a flood that would destroy the earth.

"And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." - Genesis 9:11 KJV

For instance, if all life was given the ability to breathe underwater and the earth was retained, the world could still be flooded according to this covenant.

 

[Evers]

Genesis 9:11 (KJV) And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
God set his bow in the sky as a promise to never destroy the earth again with a flood...

 

[Jocund]

Another interesting thought:

When two of each kind are brought aboard, does this include giants? Giants appear after the flood. Were giants counted among the creatures saved, or were they descendants of Noah's family?

 

[Evers]

Another interesting thought:

When two of each kind are brought aboard, does this include giants? Giants appear after the flood. Were giants counted among the creatures saved, or were they descendants of Noah's

 

[Evers]

8 people were saved... no giants...

 

[pottersclay]

The Ohio flood 1913 was large, not universal. Large flood stories does not prove an Universal Flood.

New International Version
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
2peter 3:5

 

[soberxp]

Noah's flood is based on biblical time. Some say it was about 4000 years ago
The recent excavation of Sanxingdui in China confirms part of China's history, that is, Dayu's flood control, About 4000 years ago.

The Indians also have the legend of a great flood,But I don't know the time.

Paradoxically, evidence of the ark has been found on Mount Ararat

Then there are two results of reasonable inference
1.The Biblical flood did cover all the mountains, including the Himalayas.
But Noah's descendants cover up the cruel facts of the great flood.Instead, it is a beautiful story.

2.The Biblical flood did not cover all the mountains,
It only covers the mountains around Ararat.
But it also caused global flooding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Another interesting thought:

When two of each kind are brought aboard, does this include giants? Giants appear after the flood. Were giants counted among the creatures saved, or were they descendants of Noah's family?

All that was needed was the dna. That would later come to fruition. It’s the same with animals. He did not take every different subset of specie, he took 2 of every kind. Imagine all the dogs we have today. If you look at dna you can tell it is a dog. Slight difference in dna make each type (pug, terroir, shepherd. Etc etc) so Noah did not need to take each type. All he had to do was take 2 dogs,

 

[Wansvic]

Science wise there is a major problem with the canopy theory, it would have turn the planet into a giant pressure cooker.

"
Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth.

Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220�F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature.

Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810�F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global." https://godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.html

Wow. I guess you were not around to share your wisdom and explain this to God.

Just in case your wondering this is what God had to say about it:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." Gen 1:6-7

 

[Wansvic]

I do believe the Bible. But, one must look at Science to see what was possible thus more likely. If water covered the highest mountain in the world the water would be 29,000 feet deep and where plant life and trees were would be at 12,558 Psi. One can clean a rock or drill a hole around 2,000 psi. It takes with water jets about 55,000 psi to cut rocks like using a band saw.

Wood is crushed at 450 psi

Wood Deterioration and Its Prevention by Preservative ... - Page 343
Darrel D. Nicholas

Young Earth Creationism, tries to get around all this by saying mountains shifted higher towards the end of the flood. The big problem with that is the heat generated by the plates would boil all existing life to death including Noah and his crew.

How many animals were on the arc? How much time did it take to clean up after each animal daily by 8 people? How long would it take to feed every animal? Allowing each person to sleep 8 hours, take care of themselves 2 hours, leaves 14 hours to care for the animals.
Given 30 minutes for the care of each animal times 8 people would be 16 animals per hour. times 14 hours equals 224 animals cared for per day. Think about what is involved? There is no record of using carts and ramps in Genesis on the arc. For each animal one would have to pick up or clean up the poop and pee. Maybe fill buckets with that, use a fire chain or carry each bucket to the deck to throw overboard. If they did not dispose of the waste --- it creates likelihood of disease or even methane gas. One YEC speculates that there was one master type for each kind of animal. Like a dog would have the dna in it for all the different kinds of dogs today. Since people in Noah's time were against dogs, would they even be on the arc? Let's try 5 minutes per animal. That gives us 8 people times 12 animals per hour for 96 animals per hour cared for. 96 x 14 = 1,344 animals per day cared for. Is that really realistic by human standards?

Science and common sense must be used.

I really get a kick out of all the mind gymnastics going on to try and prove God's word wrong.

Hey people, God is God. He is all that. And if He said something was done it was done. Period. He didn't need to ask the permission of mere men. That's the awesome God I serve.

 

[Wansvic]

How many animals were on the arc? How much time did it take to clean up after each animal daily by 8 people? How long would it take to feed every animal? Allowing each person to sleep 8 hours, take care of themselves 2 hours, leaves 14 hours to care for the animals.
Given 30 minutes for the care of each animal times 8 people would be 16 animals per hour. times 14 hours equals 224 animals cared for per day. Think about what is involved? There is no record of using carts and ramps in Genesis on the arc. For each animal one would have to pick up or clean up the poop and pee. Maybe fill buckets with that, use a fire chain or carry each bucket to the deck to throw overboard. If they did not dispose of the waste --- it creates likelihood of disease or even methane gas. One YEC speculates that there was one master type for each kind of animal. Like a dog would have the dna in it for all the different kinds of dogs today. Since people in Noah's time were against dogs, would they even be on the arc? Let's try 5 minutes per animal. That gives us 8 people times 12 animals per hour for 96 animals per hour cared for. 96 x 14 = 1,344 animals per day cared for. Is that really realistic by human standards?

Science and common sense must be used.

Here's something to consider. The animals on the Ark would have been babies. They would take up less room, sleep a lot, require less food, and less clean up. Once off the Ark the fertility period for repopulating the Earth would be greater than with older animals.

A good Creation Science series by Ken Hovind (www.drdino.com) makes many valid points about concepts surrounding the flood.

 

[TheLearner]

God’s word... “. All the kingdoms of the world...” nothing is impossible with God..

Is nothing impossible for Satan? Because it was the Devil, not God who showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world.
Thus it is with Natural eyes and distance that is being referenced in the text.

Matthew 4:8

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

 

[DeanM]

I do believe the Bible. But, one must look at Science to see what was possible thus more likely. If water covered the highest mountain in the world the water would be 29,000 feet deep and where plant life and trees were would be at 12,558 Psi. One can clean a rock or drill a hole around 2,000 psi. It takes with water jets about 55,000 psi to cut rocks like using a band saw.

Wood is crushed at 450 psi

Wood Deterioration and Its Prevention by Preservative ... - Page 343
Darrel D. Nicholas

Young Earth Creationism, tries to get around all this by saying mountains shifted higher towards the end of the flood. The big problem with that is the heat generated by the plates would boil all existing life to death including Noah and his crew.

How many animals were on the arc? How much time did it take to clean up after each animal daily by 8 people? How long would it take to feed every animal? Allowing each person to sleep 8 hours, take care of themselves 2 hours, leaves 14 hours to care for the animals.
Given 30 minutes for the care of each animal times 8 people would be 16 animals per hour. times 14 hours equals 224 animals cared for per day. Think about what is involved? There is no record of using carts and ramps in Genesis on the arc. For each animal one would have to pick up or clean up the poop and pee. Maybe fill buckets with that, use a fire chain or carry each bucket to the deck to throw overboard. If they did not dispose of the waste --- it creates likelihood of disease or even methane gas. One YEC speculates that there was one master type for each kind of animal. Like a dog would have the dna in it for all the different kinds of dogs today. Since people in Noah's time were against dogs, would they even be on the arc? Let's try 5 minutes per animal. That gives us 8 people times 12 animals per hour for 96 animals per hour cared for. 96 x 14 = 1,344 animals per day cared for. Is that really realistic by human standards?

Science and common sense must be used.

But, one must look at Science to see what was possible


So evolution and the big bang are on the
table aswell?

 

[Evers]

Is nothing impossible for Satan? Because it was the Devil, not God who showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world.
Thus it is with Natural eyes and distance that is being referenced in the text.

Matthew 4:8

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

Who wrote the Bible... God himself... God inspired... God authored ...so it was written... God telling the story... He said All Nations..... Satan is limited to what he can do...many scriptures attest to that...

 

[Dino246]

Science wise there is a major problem with the canopy theory. ... Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy.

Only if the canopy were the only source of the water. Scripture also mentions the fountains of the deep. It was likely a combination of atmospheric water and oceans being displaced.