The shroud of Turin... Authentic or fake???

[PC123]

We've all heard about and seen pictures of the shroud of Turin...

What do you think? Is it authentic or is it fake?

I think it could authentic...

If someone could demonstrate how this was achieved then i could say it is a fake...
As far as i know, no one has been able to do that so it may possibly be authentic

 

[Moses_Young]

We've all heard about and seen pictures of the shroud of Turin...

What do you think? Is it authentic or is it fake?

I think it could authentic...

If someone could demonstrate how this was achieved then i could say it is a fake...
As far as i know, no one has been able to do that so it may possibly be authentic

I used to believe it was fake, but since so much effort has been spent trying to refute it, I now have my doubts. If something is fake, it is usually not worth the time of the Deep State to devote to it much effort.

 

[DeanM]

I wonder how many people were wrapped in shrouds in the time of Christ give or take 100 years? If its really that old. Then you have to consider catholics are pushing it as authentic. Anyone know about the incorruptible saints? How they cover their exposed parts, hands and face with wax? Just pointing out it wouldnt be the first time the "church" used fraudulent means to further their agenda.

 

[Gideon300]

We've all heard about and seen pictures of the shroud of Turin...

What do you think? Is it authentic or is it fake?

I think it could authentic...

If someone could demonstrate how this was achieved then i could say it is a fake...
As far as i know, no one has been able to do that so it may possibly be authentic

There has been plenty of speculation, and some research that suggests it's very clever fake. You perhaps could have added another option to your vote questions: does it matter? My answer - not a bit. If it is real, believers will believe and unbelievers will not. If it is fake, faith is based on the revealed word of God, not on artifacts.

 

[GaryA]

I used to believe it was fake, but since so much effort has been spent trying to refute it, I now have my doubts. If something is fake, it is usually not worth the time of the Deep State to devote to it much effort.

The Shroud of Turin is fake in that it is most definitely not the "burial cloth" of Jesus.

Anyone who understands the Jewish burial customs at that time knows beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt that it cannot possibly be tied to Jesus. They wrapped the body, and the head covering was a separate piece of cloth material.

The Shroud of Turin was not wrapped; rather, the markings show that it was "up the front, over the head, and down the back" (best I remember).

It is not fake in that it probably was the "burial cloth" of someone.

But, that someone was not Jesus.

 

[Lynx]

Oh dear! This means the splinter of the cross Jesus was hung on, that I bought at the Vatican courtyard from a guy who had 14 watches on his arm, might also be fake!

I'm with Gideon300. Whether it's real or fake, it won't make any difference to my worldview.

 

[Mark47Oz]

There are documentaries available online regarding the shroud. While the inital carbon dating said it was from the middle ages, it has since been discovered the area the sample for testing was taken from had been repaired with interwoven fibres. This means that the original cloth was repaired.

The problem is that the Vatican had it radiation treated to stop deterioration just after the samples were taken from the corner of it. So no further carbon dating can be done with new samples. However, one can reasonable assume based on what we do know is that it is older than the middle ages. The rest is up to faith - either way belief in it or not will not affect one's salvation.

 

[Lanolin]

what are the linen clothes that the Bible says Jesus was wrapped in and the napkin...I wonder why that was separate, and why it was mentioned in the Bible.

is linen clothes the same as shroud or does it actually mean clothes as in a garment. How was it wrapped about the body? folded in half lenghtwise or sideways? or wrapped or winding like a mummy?

I dont know what the shroud of turin is, but Im thinking its someone elses. You have to be a bit wary of all the relics the catholic church keeps claiming they have. Also why do they call it the shroud of turin. If it really was Jesus shroud they wouldnt be calling it Turin, it would be called the shroud of Jesus surely! I wouldnt think a shroud would then have an image of the person on it, like how does that even happen.
When I take off my clothes, or come out of my bed sheets theres no image of me on them...and I dont think that happens to peoples bodies in the morgue either that the things they wrap them in start to have their images on them.

I do know that lots of people think they see Mary in a woodgrain or an oil slick, or on toast. I mean sure it could be Mary but it could just be...I dont know. People just see what they want to see I guess.

 

[Mark47Oz]

The Shroud of Turin is fake in that it is most definitely not the "burial cloth" of Jesus.

Anyone who understands the Jewish burial customs at that time knows beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt that it cannot possibly be tied to Jesus. They wrapped the body, and the head covering was a separate piece of cloth material.

I remember this specific point being addressed at Sunday school when I was a kid with the story of the resurrection.

Put very briefly, Jesus was put in a tomb in quite a hurry because he died late in the afternoon on Friday. The next day was the Sabbath, meaning they could not do any work to prepare the body that day and obviously they were not going to just leave him there on the cross. On Sunday the women returned to the tomb to complete the burial process properly, but there was no need because he had resurrected already.

So, it is at least possible that he was not correctly wrapped as per tradition given the rush to get him in a tomb overnight.

Here's what scripture says in support.

"50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 23 50-56

 

[GaryA]

I remember this specific point being addressed at Sunday school when I was a kid with the story of the resurrection.

Put very briefly, Jesus was put in a tomb in quite a hurry because he died late in the afternoon on Friday. The next day was the Sabbath, meaning they could not do any work to prepare the body that day and obviously they were not going to just leave him there on the cross. On Sunday the women returned to the tomb to complete the burial process properly, but there was no need because he had resurrected already.

So, it is at least possible that he was not correctly wrapped as per tradition given the rush to get him in a tomb overnight.

Here's what scripture says in support.

"50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 23 50-56

I could say more - but, in this case, I think the verses you posted say enough...

 

[TabinRivCA]

I definitely believe it's real. The exam touches all bases from the 'crown' being a 'cap' of thorns to actual pollen from all the areas the Shroud would have travelled back in that area.
What astonishes me is what 'faker' would go to all that trouble to try and prove it was the Shroud? The experts I saw totally nailed it for me.

 

[GaryA]

John 20:

1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. 2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. 3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. 5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. 6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, 7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. 8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. 9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

 

[GaryA]

I definitely believe it's real. The exam touches all bases from the 'crown' being a 'cap' of thorns to actual pollen from all the areas the Shroud would have travelled back in that area.
What astonishes me is what 'faker' would go to all that trouble to try and prove it was the Shroud? The experts I saw totally nailed it for me.

What the Bible says nailed it for me.

It cannot possibly be the "burial cloth" of Jesus.

 

[TabinRivCA]

What the Bible says nailed it for me.

It cannot possibly be the "burial cloth" of Jesus.

Did you see the documentary on it?

 

[PC123]

I wonder how many people were wrapped in shrouds in the time of Christ give or take 100 years? If its really that old. Then you have to consider catholics are pushing it as authentic. Anyone know about the incorruptible saints? How they cover their exposed parts, hands and face with wax? Just pointing out it wouldnt be the first time the "church" used fraudulent means to further their agenda.

I could be wrong but from memory the Roman Catholic Church doesn't actually have an opinion on the shroud

 

[PC123]

I used to believe it was fake, but since so much effort has been spent trying to refute it, I now have my doubts. If something is fake, it is usually not worth the time of the Deep State to devote to it much effort.

To me its quite simple... If its fake then show me how it was faked... They can't... There is no ink or anything like that on it
So, until then, its possible i think.

I know the bible makes mention of some of the burial garments but that isn't a detailed description all the materials and processes used to bury people back then or Jesus for that matter... This could be the under garment that was then wrapped for all we know... We aren't given all of that information in the bible, only some.

 

[PC123]

I remember this specific point being addressed at Sunday school when I was a kid with the story of the resurrection.

Put very briefly, Jesus was put in a tomb in quite a hurry because he died late in the afternoon on Friday. The next day was the Sabbath, meaning they could not do any work to prepare the body that day and obviously they were not going to just leave him there on the cross. On Sunday the women returned to the tomb to complete the burial process properly, but there was no need because he had resurrected already.

So, it is at least possible that he was not correctly wrapped as per tradition given the rush to get him in a tomb overnight.

Here's what scripture says in support.

"50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 23 50-56

Fair point. Plus, we aren't given all the information of how the body was prepared... Only some

 

[PC123]

@Moses_Young @DeanM @Gideon300 @GaryA @Mark47Oz @Lynx @Lanolin @TabinRivCA

Its an interesting one isn't it? All claimed holy artifacts are interesting i reckon...

Has anyone heard of the Holy Prepuce???

 

[GaryA]

Did you see the documentary on it?

If memory serves correctly, I have seen two or three...

None of them can 'trump' the Bible.

Period.

Someone may have been buried in/with the Shroud of Turin - but, I am convinced beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt that it was not Jesus.

 

[TabinRivCA]

If memory serves correctly, I have seen two or three...

None of them can 'trump' the Bible.

Period.

Someone may have been buried in/with the Shroud of Turin - but, I am convinced beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt that it was not Jesus.

It can't be disproven and if I remember there was a separate cloth. Now I'll have to watch it again but there is no doubt for me. The idea that a 'Christian' would fake it to prove the resurrection, doesn't jive and why in the world would some unbeliever go through all that work to prove it, doesn't work either. They proved so may features could not have been faked, as much as they tried.
Ok back to my movie now, y'all have a good one.