Do catholics worship God or the pope?

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surfer14 said:
Three requests:
1. "Jesus, please help me."
2. "Godmyfortress, please ask Jesus to help me."
3. "Mary, please ask Jesus to help me."

Which ones are valid?
Which ones are sinful?
Why?
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Heb 11:6


But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


Jesus said those who call on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. Not Mary. not St. Peter, not a dead saint.
 
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CS1 said:
First off I did not say "catholic " cannot be Christian.

What I am saying is being CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE RCC doesn't save you

the RCC did not provide the payment for sin, Jesus did. you being an RCC member no more saves you than me being protestant.

If you don't know Jesus as your Lord and savior, and if you have not repented of your sins and surrender to Him in faith, YOU are not saved.

The JW's and Mormons are known as Theological cults. Your boasting of being the " First Church" in the context of the organization did not impress God one bit. The RCC has hurt the cause for Christ more than any other denomination OUT THERE.
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When have I or any Catholic ever claimed that just by being a Catholic, you are assured salvation? I don’t know any Catholics that believe that. There are plenty of people who call themselves Catholics and live gravely sinful and unrepentant lives, those most certainly will not have eternal life in heaven.
 
GodMyFortress said:
When have I or any Catholic ever claimed that just by being a Catholic, you are assured salvation? I don’t know any Catholics that believe that. There are plenty of people who call themselves Catholics and live gravely sinful and unrepentant lives, those most certainly will not have eternal life in heaven.
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I agree yet the leadership has not taught those to repent.

They teach if you are not a member of the RCC you can't even partake in Communion.

The Preist will stop one from receiving what they say in the false doctrine of "Transubstantiation" the bread and wines turn into the real literal body and blood of Jesus, you can't have these life-saving, soul-saving elements UNLESS you are RCC membership.

But will take that same person's (your "church" )money and tell them to pray to Mary for the lost love one BUT they can't have what you believe will save them.

RCC is a dead church, with walking dead people being served by dead leadership.
 
GodMyFortress said:
When have I or any Catholic ever claimed that just by being a Catholic, you are assured salvation? I don’t know any Catholics that believe that. There are plenty of people who call themselves Catholics and live gravely sinful and unrepentant lives, those most certainly will not have eternal life in heaven.
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your very doctrine do so please LOL I can become an RCC Member and give $ 1000.00 to that local parish and have a dead family member prayed for to be taken out of Purgatory. And remain as gangster like Al Capone
 
CS1 said:
RCC is a dead church, with walking dead people being served by dead leadership.
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Not the one I go to. Traditional Latin mass. More babies in there than you can shake a stick at. Packed pews every week. No masks. Lots of really smart seminarians. No zionism.

Whether transubstantiation is real or not, I don't know.
Whether Mary hears prayers, I don't know.
Whether there's purgatory, I don't know.

What I do know is that it's the only church I've been to that's ever inspired me to want to worship God better.
 
surfer14 said:
Not the one I go to. Traditional Latin mass. More babies in there than you can shake a stick at. Packed pews every week. No masks. Lots of really smart seminarians. No zionism.

Whether transubstantiation is real or not, I don't know.
Whether Mary hears prayers, I don't know.
Whether there's purgatory, I don't know.

What I do know is that it's the only church I've been to that's ever inspired me to want to worship God better.
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are you RCC? if you are and you don't know what "transubstantiation" is then you don't know what you believe or what your church teaches. The Bible doesn't teach us to pray to those who have passed away you can know that God expects all to come to Him through Jesus only period. The Bible doesn't teach you can pay to have one taken out of Purgatory.

When you say I don't know, I don't know and I don't know, are you not justifying your ignorance in the church you attend and what they believe? You might as well say I don't care I'm catholic and that all that matters.

babies don't have the issues adults do. Wearing a mask or not doesn't save you. there are many churches packed and still lost and empty.
 
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CS1 said:
are you RCC? if you are and you don't know what "transubstantiation" is then you don't know what you believe or what your church teaches. The Bible doesn't teach us to pray to those who have passed away you can know that God expects all to come to Him through Jesus only period. The Bible doesn't teach you can pay to have one taken out of Purgatory.

When you say I don't know, I don't know and I don't know, are you not justifying your ignorance in the church you attend and what they believe? You might as well say I don't care I'm catholic and that all that matters.

babies don't have the issues adults do. Wearing a mask or not doesn't save you. there are many churches packed and still lost and empty.
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No I am not Catholic.
I do know what "transubstantiation" is meant to be. Just not sure if I subscribe to it or not. Haven't decided yet. Just like I haven't decided about Mary or purgatory. I'm just investigating. Just searching. If all the Protestant/non-denom churches I've ever been to weren't so woke and liberal, then I never would have looked into Catholicism.

I'm just saying that the latin masses I go to are anything but dead. That is all.
 
surfer14 said:
No I am not Catholic.
I do know what "transubstantiation" is meant to be. Just not sure if I subscribe to it or not. Haven't decided yet. Just like I haven't decided about Mary or purgatory. I'm just investigating. Just searching. If all the Protestant/non-denom churches I've ever been to weren't so woke and liberal, then I never would have looked into Catholicism.

I'm just saying that the latin masses I go to are anything but dead. That is all.
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it's simply the Bible doesn't teach it it is not Biblical and the RCC Bible doesn't teach it either.

I am not wanting you or anyone to be protestant or a denomination, no, I want you to have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
CS1 said:
I am not wanting you or anyone to be protestant or a denomination, no, I want you to have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
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That's fair. I want the same thing for you. For me. For everyone.
 
CS1 said:
I agree yet the leadership has not taught those to repent.

They teach if you are not a member of the RCC you can't even partake in Communion.

The Preist will stop one from receiving what they say in the false doctrine of "Transubstantiation" the bread and wines turn into the real literal body and blood of Jesus, you can't have these life-saving, soul-saving elements UNLESS you are RCC membership.

But will take that same person's (your "church" )money and tell them to pray to Mary for the lost love one BUT they can't have what you believe will save them.

RCC is a dead church, with walking dead people being served by dead leadership.
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Why in the world would you just give anyone the body and blood of our lord without having any reasonable assurance that person isn’t doing what 1 Cor 11:27-29 says? That’s just opening up people to committing sin by taking it unworthily.

Catholics believe the Protestant belief about the Eucharist is heretical by reducing it to a symbol. Why would a priest give the body and blood of our lord to someone that won’t care about profaning it because they don’t even believe it is Christ?

The Church wants people to take it worthily like the Bible says, and Priests know Catholics understand the gravity of that sin if you take it unworthly.
 
surfer14 said:
That's fair. I want the same thing for you. For me. For everyone.
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If you ever go back and read John Ch 6, just ask yourself this question...What more would Jesus Christ have to say in order for you to believe the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ? What does “truly” mean, what does “indeed” mean?
 
GodMyFortress said:
Why in the world would you just give anyone the body and blood of our lord without having any reasonable assurance that person isn’t doing what 1 Cor 11:27-29 says? That’s just opening up people to committing sin by taking it unworthily.

Catholics believe the Protestant belief about the Eucharist is heretical by reducing it to a symbol. Why would a priest give the body and blood of our lord to someone that won’t care about profaning it because they don’t even believe it is Christ?

The Church wants people to take it worthily like the Bible says, and Priests know Catholics understand the gravity of that sin if you take it unworthly.
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why would you send them away and not help them come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ That day?

The bible teaches in 1cor chapter 11:17-34

You lead them to Christ so they are worthy to partake. IF you are following the word of God everyone is to do what before eating AND DRINKING?

28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

You lead them to examine themselves and accept Jesus as Lord NOT send them away without the opportunity to receive Christ.

Stop looking for membership and start Giving the Jesus! I am not RCC nor Protestant.
 
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GodMyFortress said:
If you ever go back and read John Ch 6, just ask yourself this question...What more would Jesus Christ have to say in order for you to believe the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ? What does “truly” mean, what does “indeed” mean?
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I do tend to think that Jesus was referencing actual flesh and blood because it talks about how many of His disciples turned away from Him at that time. If it was just allegory, then I doubt we'd see that type of falling away. However, that doesn't mean that what happens now is transubstantiation. It might be. It might not be. I guess it's possible, but I don't know. I have asked people if it tastes like blood. They all said no.

I do know this. If it is real, then I want to be super, super prepared. If it is real, then it's WAY more serious than any communion that I've ever taken.
 
surfer14 said:
I do tend to think that Jesus was referencing actual flesh and blood because it talks about how many of His disciples turned away from Him at that time. If it was just allegory, then I doubt we'd see that type of falling away. However, that doesn't mean that what happens now is transubstantiation. It might be. It might not be. I guess it's possible, but I don't know. I have asked people if it tastes like blood. They all said no.

I do know this. If it is real, then I want to be super, super prepared. If it is real, then it's WAY more serious than any communion that I've ever taken.
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if it were so, think about it for just one moment. The real body and blood of Jesus who is currently and for eternity alive.

it was Jesus himself who said "do this in remembrance of me " not when you do this it will BECOME ME.
 
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