Does the Tree of Life overcome the tree of knowledge?

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I think the image is showing the Tree of Life overcoming the tree of knowledge.

It's not possible for us to sin around God because the definition of sin is separation from God.

We will be using the Tree of Life as a perception in Heaven ..sinful thoughts aren't going to cross your mind.

Spirit is your perception of reality. You either see things God's way ..or the beast's way.

You have to want to give up this fallen reality of death.

You have to want the compatible perception for God to give you eternal life of peace.

We were told all along this was a choice between LIFE or death.

It isn't meant to make your physical life better so stop expecting anything until the afterlife.

Fallen angels didn't get this same opportunity because they were directly aware of God, so be grateful.

Man always ends up falling, so this place was a necessary step. God is letting you decide to take on the Tree of Life. God is finding souls that can live without sin. This is why God doesn't give direct proof. Your free will to believe or not has to remain.

“To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it” (Revelation 2:17).
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I think we get a new name because we will fully use the Tree of Life for our perception. Opening the door to Christ causes you to be a new person if you drop your pride and give up the beast system.
 
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Their eyes were opened to satan's perception of good and evil, but closed to God so they could think of themselves as gods.

We are never told what the good and evil actually represent. It doesn’t make any sense for satan to be associated with "good". It means his good is not the same good of God. Worthless "good" intentions because God is not involved.

The road to hell is paved in "good" intentions.

nature, nationalism, money, and pride have worthless "good" intentions from the tree of knowledge.

The tree of knowledge gets burned up so it's best to stop using it now before it is too late.

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FRIEND WHEN YOU READ THE BIBLE YOU READ OTHER BOOKS ALSO, CORRECT?
 
pittsburghjoe

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God is going to LIGHT the tree of knowledge with the Tree of Life so only those that are already using LIFE can be saved.

Your perception needs to be using the fruits of the Tree of Life.
 
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Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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Revelation 22:3-4
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him:
And they shall see His Face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.​

No more curse because the tree of knowledge will be lit up. We will see His Face because we will be directly connected to Him.
 
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This fallen reality (beast system/tree of knowledge) is proof of itself because we can choose our individual way(good/bad) of life. That "good" from the tree of knowledge is fallen good. It is worthless without God involved. It means the Garden of Eden happened.
 
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I believe it says the "nations" will get the leaves. What do you think that means? Rev 22:2 speaks of fruits, but the "nations" don't get the fruits they get the leaves.

Also seems to be related to Rev 21:24 where the "Nations" walk in the light and bring tribute. To me this echoes Paul in Ephesians 2 where he says the two (Jews and non-Jews[nations/ethnoi]) would be put together in worship of God through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and King (Messiach).

In the tree of life, the fruit and the leaves are delineated as separate, for two separate classes of blessings, so it seems. What does it seem to you?
 
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Adam and Even were offered the perception of the Tree of Life ..or tree of knowledge
If they had chosen the Tree of Life they would have lived with free will without desiring sin.
We are given the choice to join the Tree of Life perception to escape death.
 
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Terracognito said:
I believe it says the "nations" will get the leaves. What do you think that means? Rev 22:2 speaks of fruits, but the "nations" don't get the fruits they get the leaves.

Also seems to be related to Rev 21:24 where the "Nations" walk in the light and bring tribute. To me this echoes Paul in Ephesians 2 where he says the two (Jews and non-Jews[nations/ethnoi]) would be put together in worship of God through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and King (Messiach).

In the tree of life, the fruit and the leaves are delineated as separate, for two separate classes of blessings, so it seems. What does it seem to you?
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Does it help if we can identify some of the fruits?

THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT

1 Corinthians 12:4-12 is describing some of the twelve fruits of the Tree of Life:

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.​
 
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The tree of knowledge is the beast perception. God told us we would die if we used it. God's Righteous Perception views this fallen reality as death. God gave us a way to fix death (that we chose) via Blood that fixes our perception.

God shouldn't be vilified anymore.
 
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IMO,the tree of life hidden in The fruit of the tree of good and evil, human know what is good and evil,But only through Jesus Christ that we may touch the fruit of tree of life.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Adam and Even were offered the perception of the Tree of Life ..or tree of knowledge
If they had chosen the Tree of Life they would have lived with free will without desiring sin.
We are given the choice to join the Tree of Life perception to escape death.
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We ONLY escape death and Hades and the Lake of Fire by the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ, amen. :love:(y)
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Their eyes were opened to satan's perception of good and evil, but closed to God so they could think of themselves as gods.

We are never told what the good and evil actually represent. It doesn’t make any sense for satan to be associated with "good". It means his good is not the same good of God. Worthless "good" intentions because God is not involved.

The road to hell is paved in "good" intentions.

nature, nationalism, money, and pride have worthless "good" intentions from the tree of knowledge.

The tree of knowledge gets burned up so it's best to stop using it now before it is too late.

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I think that I can truely understanding the Pics.
My understaning is

Cross section of our brain,It looks like a tree,
parable , it is the garden of God,
It's also a temple of God

The rule of satan is eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,kill for kill,hate for hate,abuse for abuse.
The rule of God is still eye for eye,but love for hate and love for love.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Does it help if we can identify some of the fruits?
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It does help. But the question was on the nations and the leaves. Does the word "ethnon" mean anything different here, from the 40-odd times it's used elsewhere in the NT? How do "leaves" distinguish from "fruit"? If the fruit brings the spiritual gifts you cited, why don't the "ethnon" get them also? Why do they get the leaves? Or do you suppose the "ethnon" get both? If so, why are they singled out here, as different?

It's a bit confusing - the word doesn't make it altogether clear - but it seems that the "ethnon" get the leaves, and another select company, un-named, get the fruit. That's what the context seems to show us. Otherwise why would the "ethnon" be singled out?

In Revelation 22, the "ethnon" bringing their glory to the New Jerusalem, and walking by its light, has clear OT antecedent, with the world bringing gifts to the Solomonic Kingdom, and seeking his "light" or wisdom. Clearly the precedent is established and John's Revelation on Patmos affirms that. But what of the "ethnon" getting healed by the leaves of the tree of life?
 
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Perception(tree) of Life (Righteousness)
or Perception(tree) of death (corruption)

"Perception", "Tree", "Spirit" are related.

Blood is connected to The Cross which is connected to the Tree of Life (Righteous Perception of God's Spirit). Perception of Life instead of death.

"Righteous" is viewing reality the way God wants us to so that we can live forever.

satan taught/swept the perception of death with his tail to angels to get them to fall.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
nature, nationalism, money, and pride have worthless "good" intentions from the tree of knowledge.

The tree of knowledge gets burned up so it's best to stop using it now before it is too late.

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pittsburghjoe said:
The tree of knowledge is the beast perception. God told us we would die if we used it. God's Righteous Perception views this fallen reality as death. God gave us a way to fix death (that we chose) via Blood that fixes our perception.

God shouldn't be vilified anymore.
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I think that we need to keep the definition of the tree of knowledge and the tree of life as scripture tells us it is, then all other scriptures will fall into place. The tree of knowledge as spoken of in Genesis is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree of knowledge was put in the garden of Eden, and also the tree of life. The tree of life is symbolic of the salvation we are given from the death that unforgiven sin brings on us.
 
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Terracognito said:
It does help. But the question was on the nations and the leaves. Does the word "ethnon" mean anything different here, from the 40-odd times it's used elsewhere in the NT? How do "leaves" distinguish from "fruit"? If the fruit brings the spiritual gifts you cited, why don't the "ethnon" get them also? Why do they get the leaves? Or do you suppose the "ethnon" get both? If so, why are they singled out here, as different?

It's a bit confusing - the word doesn't make it altogether clear - but it seems that the "ethnon" get the leaves, and another select company, un-named, get the fruit. That's what the context seems to show us. Otherwise why would the "ethnon" be singled out?

In Revelation 22, the "ethnon" bringing their glory to the New Jerusalem, and walking by its light, has clear OT antecedent, with the world bringing gifts to the Solomonic Kingdom, and seeking his "light" or wisdom. Clearly the precedent is established and John's Revelation on Patmos affirms that. But what of the "ethnon" getting healed by the leaves of the tree of life?
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  1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
    1. a company, troop, swarm
  2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
    1. the human family
  3. a tribe, nation, people group
  4. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
  5. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/ethnos.html
 
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