JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR
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there's nothing about being first-born that means you have to take a Nazarite vow. that vow according to scripture was 100% voluntary and 100% temporary. it was not imposed on anyone, per the law ((Numbers 6))
which makes Samson extraordinary -- because The Angel of the LORD ((Christ)) informed his mother ((Judges 13)) that he would be a Nazarite from the womb, so that even she had to follow the vow while she was carrying him, and remained a Nazarite his whole life -- even while breaking the vow many times ((coming into contact with corpses, drinking wine)). Samson did not voluntarily take the vow and did not take it for a specified time, both of which are contrary to the laws given in Numbers 6. that's a great mystery to study out
IMO people call Jesus a Nazarite for two reasons:
which makes Samson extraordinary -- because The Angel of the LORD ((Christ)) informed his mother ((Judges 13)) that he would be a Nazarite from the womb, so that even she had to follow the vow while she was carrying him, and remained a Nazarite his whole life -- even while breaking the vow many times ((coming into contact with corpses, drinking wine)). Samson did not voluntarily take the vow and did not take it for a specified time, both of which are contrary to the laws given in Numbers 6. that's a great mystery to study out
IMO people call Jesus a Nazarite for two reasons:
- they confuse being a Nazarene ((a person from Nazareth, Matt. 2:23)) with a Nazarite.
- they knowingly call Him a Nazarene contrary to evidence ((Luke 7:34, etc)) because they're pushing abstinence from alcohol
But I think it equally convincing that Jesus was called a Nazarite because he was a Nazarene, from the town of Nazareth. What I'm not convinced of is that Jesus was a Nazarite in the sense of the Nazarite vow--he did not fulfill the Law by becoming bound to the Law. He was clearly above the Law, and merely an example of lawfulness for others, such as was represented by his Water Baptism.
Perhaps Jesus can be viewed as a completely different kind of Nazarite, as being under a completely different kind of vow--the vow of perfect conformity to God's will? If Jesus did have longer hair, the Jews may have confused him as having taken the traditional Nazarite vow?
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If Jesus was being called a "Netser-ite," then it would not be used in that form to pinpoint him as "THE Branch," or as the Messiah. Rather, it would have to be an indication that he is from the Messianic family, namely that of David.
If Jesus was known to be a "Nazarite" in the votive sense, then it had to be because Jesus had long hair like all Nazarites did, even though he did not have to conform to the requirements of one under the Nazarite vow--Jesus was perfect, and qualified as righteous even without any conformity to the laws of abstinence.
If Jesus was called a "Nazarite" because he was from Nazareth, it seems that this would be some kind of language confusion, because we normally would have called him a "Nazarene." Not being a language expert, I can't comment on this last idea.
At any rate, having long hair would not make Jesus effeminate, and appears to be a valid way of presenting Jesus if he is being depicted as one under a Nazarite vow. The only question, then, would be whether Jesus had to abstain from alcohol, as one under a Nazarite vow?
Obviously, Jesus converted water into wine. And he had wine with his disciples in the Communion. So it's clear that Jesus was not under any Nazarite vow, and should not have been called a "Nazarite" unless this was understood to be a Messianic form of Nazarite vow, depicted by his wearing long hair. At any rate, wearing long hair would not, for Jesus, contaminate him as "effeminate," nor would it present a bad example, since those under vows had already done so.
For me, it would be easiest just to see Jesus as descending from the Davidic, royal family, and in that sense a member of the family destined to bring the Branch. He was a member of the "Branch" family, a member of the "Netzer" family. He was literally a descendant of the Messianic Davidic family, and perhaps in that sense, a "Nazarite?"
But since the word "Nazarite" is so close to the Nazarite vow, people may have referred to him as a "Nazarite" if he wore hair like one under a Nazarite vow, even if he didn't actually have to submit to the vows of a Nazarite. He appeared to be a "Nazarite," and therefore was only *called* a Nazarite. You decide.
If Jesus was known to be a "Nazarite" in the votive sense, then it had to be because Jesus had long hair like all Nazarites did, even though he did not have to conform to the requirements of one under the Nazarite vow--Jesus was perfect, and qualified as righteous even without any conformity to the laws of abstinence.
If Jesus was called a "Nazarite" because he was from Nazareth, it seems that this would be some kind of language confusion, because we normally would have called him a "Nazarene." Not being a language expert, I can't comment on this last idea.
At any rate, having long hair would not make Jesus effeminate, and appears to be a valid way of presenting Jesus if he is being depicted as one under a Nazarite vow. The only question, then, would be whether Jesus had to abstain from alcohol, as one under a Nazarite vow?
Obviously, Jesus converted water into wine. And he had wine with his disciples in the Communion. So it's clear that Jesus was not under any Nazarite vow, and should not have been called a "Nazarite" unless this was understood to be a Messianic form of Nazarite vow, depicted by his wearing long hair. At any rate, wearing long hair would not, for Jesus, contaminate him as "effeminate," nor would it present a bad example, since those under vows had already done so.
For me, it would be easiest just to see Jesus as descending from the Davidic, royal family, and in that sense a member of the family destined to bring the Branch. He was a member of the "Branch" family, a member of the "Netzer" family. He was literally a descendant of the Messianic Davidic family, and perhaps in that sense, a "Nazarite?"
But since the word "Nazarite" is so close to the Nazarite vow, people may have referred to him as a "Nazarite" if he wore hair like one under a Nazarite vow, even if he didn't actually have to submit to the vows of a Nazarite. He appeared to be a "Nazarite," and therefore was only *called* a Nazarite. You decide.
Are you sure where not facing your wrath here, your threads are getting more more leagalistic by the post.. I have a had a picture of Jesus with long hair for years and years on my wall and never once thought i was idolising until now that is and i know the holy spirit convicts,,.I suppose youll tell me i must be spiritualy dead then.
I just couldnt bare to chuck that picture away. its always give me hope and prayer
Are you sure your not a sinless perfectionist because you do seem quite angry about other people commiting sins and christians not being in agreement with your rightous walk. You certantly seem leagalistic.
You must like offending people as i would guess most people have a picture of Jesus with long hair.
I would even say that most crosses made as an ormenant with Jesus on the crosss would have long hair.. Which would probaly account for billions and billions of images of Jesus with long hair,, but then i guess you knew that seeing as your just out to offend as many people as possible and really dont care who you offend,, because we dont all share your legalistic views.. Im just wondering what your neaxt thread will be.
But judging by your previous posts i would say that your next thread will be the same..just out to cause as much trouble as you can.
I just couldnt bare to chuck that picture away. its always give me hope and prayer
Are you sure your not a sinless perfectionist because you do seem quite angry about other people commiting sins and christians not being in agreement with your rightous walk. You certantly seem leagalistic.
You must like offending people as i would guess most people have a picture of Jesus with long hair.
I would even say that most crosses made as an ormenant with Jesus on the crosss would have long hair.. Which would probaly account for billions and billions of images of Jesus with long hair,, but then i guess you knew that seeing as your just out to offend as many people as possible and really dont care who you offend,, because we dont all share your legalistic views.. Im just wondering what your neaxt thread will be.
But judging by your previous posts i would say that your next thread will be the same..just out to cause as much trouble as you can.
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no reason to have doubts about this;
nowhere is it said He's a Nazarite.
it's said He's a Nazarene, here, and it says why:
what prophecy is this talking about? that's where we run into questions and interpretations.
but they're not questions about Him taking a Nazarite vow - they're about Him living around Nazareth, and what prophet said this?
nowhere is it said He's a Nazarite.
it's said He's a Nazarene, here, and it says why:
And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets,
He shall be called a Nazarene.
(Matthew 2:23)
because He lived around Nazareth. what prophecy is this talking about? that's where we run into questions and interpretations.
but they're not questions about Him taking a Nazarite vow - they're about Him living around Nazareth, and what prophet said this?
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There are some things that nature will teach you without having to look in the Bible for them. One of those things is that a man should have short hair. The woman’s hair is given for a covering (vs. 13).
Jews were told to do two things contrary to nature, to set them apart from the Gentiles:
[1]. Let their hair grow long (Lev. 19:27).
[2]. Get Circumcised (Gen. 17:10).
These were done to show Israel as a separate nation from the rest of the other nations.
“How long is long?” Well, the best rule of thumb is that since a woman’s hair is for her covering it should cover the Head, Ears, & Neck. If a man has hair that long, then he has a woman’s hair.
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1."You sent me a poster for my encouragement, but it discouraged me."
If it is a Bible poster, and had a Bible verse on it, and you were discouraged, then you need to 'examine yourself'. Why should a Bible poster or Bible verse discouraged you?
2. "what encouraged me was your post on Mortifying the blah blah blah."
To be taken with a pinch of salt. If it is 'blah blah blah', I wonder how it encouraged you.
Those who delight in the 'flesh' will get their just deserts soon.
If it is a Bible poster, and had a Bible verse on it, and you were discouraged, then you need to 'examine yourself'. Why should a Bible poster or Bible verse discouraged you?
2. "what encouraged me was your post on Mortifying the blah blah blah."
To be taken with a pinch of salt. If it is 'blah blah blah', I wonder how it encouraged you.
Those who delight in the 'flesh' will get their just deserts soon.
It's strange that no one seems to understand the seriousness of the subject!
This is something that I wrote 6 years ago on the subject. You will read it for your enlightenment (hopefully)!
"Why do spiritual Christians object to pictures of Christ, especially the popular long-haired effeminate picture of Christ? Because God’s Word forbids such idolatry. "You shall have no image or likeness of God". And Christ is God!
"How did such idolatry come in and corrupt the early Christian church? It began with the Roman Catholic Church – the false Church, the harlot Babylon depicted in the Book of Revelation. Roman Catholicism was spawned by the devil himself; this is the gross unnatural ‘mustard tree’ having the birds of the air (evil spirits) nesting in its branches (Matthew 13:31, 32). The Roman Catholic church with its images, statues, relics, superstitions, vain repetitious prayers (Rosary), its deification of ‘Mother Mary’, its worship of the ‘saints’; with its false doctrines and false practices of the Mass, celibacy of the priests and nuns, belief in purgatory, infallibility of the Pope, etc – is clearly the evil church, the harlot Babylon, that is condemned in Revelation. Yet tragically, millions, brainwashed by false religion, continue to hold on to Roman Catholic beliefs and practices – the most subtle delusion being that of keeping pictures of Jesus in their homes and even posting such pictures on social networking sites on the Internet.
"Jesus was not a white Caucasian; he was a Jew from Palestine, who spent over 30 years in Nazareth. He did not look different from other Jews, nor from His disciples, so much so Judas had to identify Him with a kiss. He was not a Nazarite; rather He was a Nazarene (one who came from Nazareth). A Nazarite wore long hair, and did not drink wine; but Jesus did not sport long hair, and He did drink wine. Paul the apostle declared that it was a shame for men to have long hair, 1 Cor 11.14. Paul was not referring to Jews; he said ‘men’ meaning all men everywhere!
"The Bible clearly declares that Jesus did not look ‘attractive’. Isaiah 53:2 says He had no form or comeliness that we should desire Him. All the pictures of Jesus hanging on the Cross cannot match what Isaiah 52:14 says: “His visage was so marred more than any man.” And yet you see His visage (face), and in many pictures with a halo around His head. The Cross was a grim, terrible business. His visage and form were marred in the most horrible fashion on the Cross. (Yet we are not to focus on the external and physical, but on the internal and spiritual (real) aspects of the Cross - which is exactly what the Bible does through the writings of the Apostle Paul.)
"It is evident that the Roman emperors of that time wore short hair, and the citizens of the Roman empire followed the practice of the Emperor. The Jews also had short hair. Coins and statues show the emperors with short hair. Further, Jesus was the son of a carpenter, and was involved in hard work from a very young age. He was sturdy and strong; He drove out the merchandisers from the Temple with a whip. No weak effeminate man could do that. No weak, effeminate man could endure the agony of the Cross as long as He did.
"So where did this long-haired effeminate picture of Jesus come from? Alexandre Dumas (Pere) talks about a conspiracy hatched in the Papal palace. The Pope at that time wanted all art depicting a Semitic Jesus to be destroyed, and he commissioned paintings of a Caucasian or Westernized Jesus. His son Cesare Borgia, the notorious murderer and debauchee, was the model for these paintings. (The evil Machiavelli admired this inhuman scoundrel!) The celebrated Leonardo da Vinci was involved in this conspiracy; because he was a close friend of Cesare Borgia. It is shocking that this long-haired effeminate Jesus is based on a mass murderer, debauchee and homosexual like Cesare Borgia, and millions the word over have been worshipping this image for centuries.
"The Bible condemns idolatry in no uncertain terms. The Second Commandment forbids it. Further, we are to know Christ no longer in the flesh, 2 Cor 5.16. We are to know Him in the Spirit, and we are to worship Him in the Spirit, John 4.23, 24. During the first centuries of the Church, there were no pictures of Jesus, no images, no idolatry! The present system of Christian worship which is based on man-made tradition, and various violations of the Bible, is nothing but an empty show, a vain religious ceremony – of no worth to God, and insulting to Christ. We are to worship according to the principles of the New Testament, according to the principles shown to us clearly in Acts of the Apostles, First Corinthians and Ephesians. But man, in his depravity and blindness, must corrupt God’s spiritual worship with superstitious practices, fleshly indulgence, carnal exhibitionism and vain self-glory.
"I have been telling people not to put up pictures of Jesus, as it amounts to idolatry – and God hates idolatry! He calls it an abomination. Can the awesome almighty transcendent glorious God be brought down to the level of a sickly effeminate human being? Nothing can be more shocking! I am born of the Spirit of God, and where the Spirit is there is Truth. I cannot but tell the truth – so help me God! Pictures of Jesus are only promoting idolatry, and those who continue in this practice are actually serving the devil!
"Some of you may take this article very lightly and dismiss it as cranky rantings of an over-spiritual man. But the question is: Do you want to obey God and His Word? Or do you want to follow evil tradition, knowing that such pictures of Jesus have been introduced into 'Christianity' by Satan himself?"
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This is something that I wrote 6 years ago on the subject. You will read it for your enlightenment (hopefully)!
"Why do spiritual Christians object to pictures of Christ, especially the popular long-haired effeminate picture of Christ? Because God’s Word forbids such idolatry. "You shall have no image or likeness of God". And Christ is God!
"How did such idolatry come in and corrupt the early Christian church? It began with the Roman Catholic Church – the false Church, the harlot Babylon depicted in the Book of Revelation. Roman Catholicism was spawned by the devil himself; this is the gross unnatural ‘mustard tree’ having the birds of the air (evil spirits) nesting in its branches (Matthew 13:31, 32). The Roman Catholic church with its images, statues, relics, superstitions, vain repetitious prayers (Rosary), its deification of ‘Mother Mary’, its worship of the ‘saints’; with its false doctrines and false practices of the Mass, celibacy of the priests and nuns, belief in purgatory, infallibility of the Pope, etc – is clearly the evil church, the harlot Babylon, that is condemned in Revelation. Yet tragically, millions, brainwashed by false religion, continue to hold on to Roman Catholic beliefs and practices – the most subtle delusion being that of keeping pictures of Jesus in their homes and even posting such pictures on social networking sites on the Internet.
"Jesus was not a white Caucasian; he was a Jew from Palestine, who spent over 30 years in Nazareth. He did not look different from other Jews, nor from His disciples, so much so Judas had to identify Him with a kiss. He was not a Nazarite; rather He was a Nazarene (one who came from Nazareth). A Nazarite wore long hair, and did not drink wine; but Jesus did not sport long hair, and He did drink wine. Paul the apostle declared that it was a shame for men to have long hair, 1 Cor 11.14. Paul was not referring to Jews; he said ‘men’ meaning all men everywhere!
"The Bible clearly declares that Jesus did not look ‘attractive’. Isaiah 53:2 says He had no form or comeliness that we should desire Him. All the pictures of Jesus hanging on the Cross cannot match what Isaiah 52:14 says: “His visage was so marred more than any man.” And yet you see His visage (face), and in many pictures with a halo around His head. The Cross was a grim, terrible business. His visage and form were marred in the most horrible fashion on the Cross. (Yet we are not to focus on the external and physical, but on the internal and spiritual (real) aspects of the Cross - which is exactly what the Bible does through the writings of the Apostle Paul.)
"It is evident that the Roman emperors of that time wore short hair, and the citizens of the Roman empire followed the practice of the Emperor. The Jews also had short hair. Coins and statues show the emperors with short hair. Further, Jesus was the son of a carpenter, and was involved in hard work from a very young age. He was sturdy and strong; He drove out the merchandisers from the Temple with a whip. No weak effeminate man could do that. No weak, effeminate man could endure the agony of the Cross as long as He did.
"So where did this long-haired effeminate picture of Jesus come from? Alexandre Dumas (Pere) talks about a conspiracy hatched in the Papal palace. The Pope at that time wanted all art depicting a Semitic Jesus to be destroyed, and he commissioned paintings of a Caucasian or Westernized Jesus. His son Cesare Borgia, the notorious murderer and debauchee, was the model for these paintings. (The evil Machiavelli admired this inhuman scoundrel!) The celebrated Leonardo da Vinci was involved in this conspiracy; because he was a close friend of Cesare Borgia. It is shocking that this long-haired effeminate Jesus is based on a mass murderer, debauchee and homosexual like Cesare Borgia, and millions the word over have been worshipping this image for centuries.
"The Bible condemns idolatry in no uncertain terms. The Second Commandment forbids it. Further, we are to know Christ no longer in the flesh, 2 Cor 5.16. We are to know Him in the Spirit, and we are to worship Him in the Spirit, John 4.23, 24. During the first centuries of the Church, there were no pictures of Jesus, no images, no idolatry! The present system of Christian worship which is based on man-made tradition, and various violations of the Bible, is nothing but an empty show, a vain religious ceremony – of no worth to God, and insulting to Christ. We are to worship according to the principles of the New Testament, according to the principles shown to us clearly in Acts of the Apostles, First Corinthians and Ephesians. But man, in his depravity and blindness, must corrupt God’s spiritual worship with superstitious practices, fleshly indulgence, carnal exhibitionism and vain self-glory.
"I have been telling people not to put up pictures of Jesus, as it amounts to idolatry – and God hates idolatry! He calls it an abomination. Can the awesome almighty transcendent glorious God be brought down to the level of a sickly effeminate human being? Nothing can be more shocking! I am born of the Spirit of God, and where the Spirit is there is Truth. I cannot but tell the truth – so help me God! Pictures of Jesus are only promoting idolatry, and those who continue in this practice are actually serving the devil!
"Some of you may take this article very lightly and dismiss it as cranky rantings of an over-spiritual man. But the question is: Do you want to obey God and His Word? Or do you want to follow evil tradition, knowing that such pictures of Jesus have been introduced into 'Christianity' by Satan himself?"
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I’m pretty sure the lesson is you’re not supposed to create pictures of what you think Jesus, heaven and the things in it would look like because our limited human intellect cannot imagine what those things actually look like. It’s like disrespectful because you are human and what images you create cannot compare. Jesus and heaven are way more glorious and beautiful than what we are capable of imagining. It also can be a protective commandment as it is a gateway to division among God’s people, as you see everyone in this thread is busy arguing about what things of heaven look like.