Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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This statement is wrong! > The purpose of the remnant was to save the whole nation, through the ministries of Elijah, Elisha and Jehu the whole nation turned back to Jehovah.
Jehu???
And the WHOLE nation turned back to God???
Are you joking? Your statement shows complete ignorance of the Bible.
Jehu???
And the WHOLE nation turned back to God???
Are you joking? Your statement shows complete ignorance of the Bible.
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Kayla, I would have to do an awful lot of reading to get into this kind of discussion.
My understanding is that Orthodox Jews historically rejected Zionism wholly, and viewed it as a secular movement. The reason being obvious:
Deuteronomy 30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
Anyhow - all we can do is pray for Israel/Palestine.
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Yep your correct one(Zionism) is a political movement" secular,and has no desire to run the state/nation with the Scriptures in mind and orthodox Judaism sees Israel as a theocratic nation that (will be established) when the Messiah comes,(they both deny Jesus).
I'm Christian but no one will understand why the different groups in Judaism(and non believing Jews) see this differently unless they look at this from their view. It's like trying to understand prophecy and not knowing the difference between preterism,dispensationism,,amil.ect. to not understand the difference between Zionism and orthodox Judaism.
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This is still the problem in this thread in that many are trying to understand this in the eyes of Christianity instead of looking at what the Jews think about this. I'm not meaning to look at this from their view as if I think you should convert to it but,,, without understanding how they think it will be impossible to help them understand and believe in Jesus.
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Yes, certainly there are Jews that are totally opposed to Zionism. But one day they will get quite a wake- up. I certainly don't wish to see innocents on either side die, especially children who have no say in the matter at all. But I don't see Palestinians ever recognizing Israel's right to exist. Only when Christ returns will that all be settled.
K
I wouldn't necessarily agree with everything Zionism, the political movement, upholds. But I agree with the right to have a homeland and their right to defend it. Same as with BLM, it's a political movement. Of course the ideal of black lives mattering is correct, but I totally disagree with BLM the org.
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I think that's the million dollar question over this that they(Jews) themselves debate, that is whether the state of Israel is suppose to exist now or not. When ask about the state of Israel M.Schneerson said that if it was a "state of Jews" he was not but if it was "a Jewish state" then he was. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/w...-complicated-relationship-with-zionism-589020
The difference being a place where Jews(race) could dwell or whether it was a/the Jewish State/Nation the one being a safe place they could live and the other a nation completely ruled by the Messiah and it's laws(Law of Moses) of God. If you consider the latter baring in mind that they do not follow the NT then to them they are going to bring every Gentile nation under their control and rule the entire planet.
Ive seen this several times in other threads here on CC but will post it again https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/house-joint-resolution/104/text because of what it states about the Noahide Law. In reading the things found on the www about/from the groups in Orthodox Judaism their interpretation of this and ours as Christians differ quite a lot. To them they will rule the world and follow the Law of Moses in bringing any non Jew(race) under the Noahide Law and the penalty for worshiping a man (Jesus) would be death. I agree that people should have the right to defend themselves and live in safety regardless of their race or religion.
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Hey all.. I wonder what we mean my "support" Israel. Its written "bless" You Abraham..which went to Isaac then Jacob hello ISRAEL! So no way am I going to support any nation that gives in to all kinds of gay rights, abortions on and on. Israel does the same sins America does 
Now I can bless Israel. There are some wonderful people within Israel that love Yeshua as in One for Israel. Israel is not following the Great I am they have rejected the messiah. So right now anyone on this planet that rejects Yeshua as lord will not enter in. I pray for Israel like I do for every other nation.
As for the land.. oh that they will have to answer to God for. As I see it what ever land God gave them...no matter what MAN says they should take it back. Now if any want to join her as God said treat them as if they were born of you.
Now I can bless Israel. There are some wonderful people within Israel that love Yeshua as in One for Israel. Israel is not following the Great I am they have rejected the messiah. So right now anyone on this planet that rejects Yeshua as lord will not enter in. I pray for Israel like I do for every other nation. As for the land.. oh that they will have to answer to God for. As I see it what ever land God gave them...no matter what MAN says they should take it back. Now if any want to join her as God said treat them as if they were born of you.
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Not being rude in this sense, I think soberxp does have a bit of a hard time with English. I've posted something and he's come back with an answer in broken English that doesn't make sense to the conversation. English isn't everyone's first language here, sometimes it's easy to forget that. Offense is taken because what was said isn't really understood.
Branches (un believing Jews) were broken off...
The focus is about the branches which were broken off and remained unbelievers, they will be cast into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD, as follow:
Revelation 14:v.17 to 20
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which has power over FIRE(For what?); and cried with a loud cry to him that has the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth(Israel); for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth(Israel), and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
The Everlasting Spirit of GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE
Revelation 11:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Power is/will be given now unto the two witnesses for 1,260 days SIMULTANEOUSLY to the event above, to shut heaven (and there will not be more any chance of salvation of souls) in the days of their prophecy,
power is/will be given over waters -over peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues- , to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles, leaded and guided by the Beast of sea-the Papacy-
according to the deal made between the two Man Beasts, the Pope and the false messiah of the Jews -Revelation 13:v.2-, sat on his throne as God in the great city of Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Terrible. Terrible. Revelation 11:v.3 and 6.
verse 15 - And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and thy wrath -GOD's wrath- is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. (Israel)
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was(will be) seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were (will be) lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Get ready
The focus is about the branches which were broken off and remained unbelievers, they will be cast into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD, as follow:
Revelation 14:v.17 to 20
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which has power over FIRE(For what?); and cried with a loud cry to him that has the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth(Israel); for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth(Israel), and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
The Everlasting Spirit of GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE
Revelation 11:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Power is/will be given now unto the two witnesses for 1,260 days SIMULTANEOUSLY to the event above, to shut heaven (and there will not be more any chance of salvation of souls) in the days of their prophecy,
power is/will be given over waters -over peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues- , to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles, leaded and guided by the Beast of sea-the Papacy-
according to the deal made between the two Man Beasts, the Pope and the false messiah of the Jews -Revelation 13:v.2-, sat on his throne as God in the great city of Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Terrible. Terrible. Revelation 11:v.3 and 6.
verse 15 - And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and thy wrath -GOD's wrath- is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. (Israel)
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was(will be) seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were (will be) lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Get ready
About the Beast of sea, having seven heads (7 heads mean 7 mountains and 7 kings-Revelation 17:.v.9-10) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
The theorists say the 7 mountains are the seven hills of Rome where is built the Vatican City. This interpretation is not true, although the headquarters of the Beast of sea be in the Vatican City, for the seven heads are the seven mountains on which the woman sits-Revelation 17:v.9- , and the peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues(many tongues) are not located on the 7 hill of Rome, but in the 7 regions of the Earth, i.e. Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and three Americas.
The 7 heads are also 7 kings, but this is another subject.
That said, the unclean spirit like frog that comes out of the mouth of the Beast of sea -the mouth of the Pope, the Papacy- manifest himself through the universal religious system with its liturgy in the sense of spiritual or ritual services, applied by the satanic religious MONSTER of 7 heads, ten horns, and with its names of blasphemy.
The next point is the spirit like frog that come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and F.P..
We know that Israel is the clay, Israel is the dry land, Israel is the earth, so Israel is as an isle in the sea (among the Gentile nations-waters).
Israel is linked with Sodom and Egypt spiritually-Revelation 11:v.8-, Jerusalem is infested, polluted, of idolatry and witchcraft, and full of unclean spirit like frog but here in dry land exclusively.
The Man Beast like a lamb who has two horns-Revelation 13:v.11(two horns represent two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah-two tribes- and kingdom of Israel-ten tribes-) , and from the mouth of the Beast like a lamb, a false messiah, in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, from the mouth of him come out an unclean spirit liked frog, which go forth working miracles, and go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of this Great Day of God Almighty, or the Lord's Day.
In the first half of the last week- Daniel 9:v.27 - the false messiah will make a deal with the Beast of sea-the Pope, the Papacy, and will give to the Pope his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority - Revelation 13:v.2 - and there will be a partnership between both to build an universal and satanic religious Kingdom. The false messiah will use the whole structures of the Roman Catholic Church in his satanic project to rule the world, then will fulfill LITERALLY Revelation 11:v.1-2.
And the Beasts of sea -the Pope- will be the first to rule the universal kingdom sitting on the Throne of the false messiah in Jerusalem, spiritually Sodom and Egypt. This partnership will remain for the first half of the last week -42 months or 1,260 days-Revelation 13:v.5-, and the Pope will reign sitting on the Throne of the false messiah in the temple of GOD in Jerusalem.
After the end of the first half of the last week, the ruthless false messiah-Revelation 13:v.11 to 18- will sit in his throne as GOD, but now will exercise also the function of Prophet in Israel, accumulating in addition to the function of false messiah, also that of prophet, a false prophet, of course, and the abomination of desolation will be established until the END of all things.
Be careful or get ready
The theorists say the 7 mountains are the seven hills of Rome where is built the Vatican City. This interpretation is not true, although the headquarters of the Beast of sea be in the Vatican City, for the seven heads are the seven mountains on which the woman sits-Revelation 17:v.9- , and the peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues(many tongues) are not located on the 7 hill of Rome, but in the 7 regions of the Earth, i.e. Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Australia), and three Americas.
The 7 heads are also 7 kings, but this is another subject.
That said, the unclean spirit like frog that comes out of the mouth of the Beast of sea -the mouth of the Pope, the Papacy- manifest himself through the universal religious system with its liturgy in the sense of spiritual or ritual services, applied by the satanic religious MONSTER of 7 heads, ten horns, and with its names of blasphemy.
The next point is the spirit like frog that come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and F.P..
We know that Israel is the clay, Israel is the dry land, Israel is the earth, so Israel is as an isle in the sea (among the Gentile nations-waters).
Israel is linked with Sodom and Egypt spiritually-Revelation 11:v.8-, Jerusalem is infested, polluted, of idolatry and witchcraft, and full of unclean spirit like frog but here in dry land exclusively.
The Man Beast like a lamb who has two horns-Revelation 13:v.11(two horns represent two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah-two tribes- and kingdom of Israel-ten tribes-) , and from the mouth of the Beast like a lamb, a false messiah, in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, from the mouth of him come out an unclean spirit liked frog, which go forth working miracles, and go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of this Great Day of God Almighty, or the Lord's Day.
In the first half of the last week- Daniel 9:v.27 - the false messiah will make a deal with the Beast of sea-the Pope, the Papacy, and will give to the Pope his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority - Revelation 13:v.2 - and there will be a partnership between both to build an universal and satanic religious Kingdom. The false messiah will use the whole structures of the Roman Catholic Church in his satanic project to rule the world, then will fulfill LITERALLY Revelation 11:v.1-2.
And the Beasts of sea -the Pope- will be the first to rule the universal kingdom sitting on the Throne of the false messiah in Jerusalem, spiritually Sodom and Egypt. This partnership will remain for the first half of the last week -42 months or 1,260 days-Revelation 13:v.5-, and the Pope will reign sitting on the Throne of the false messiah in the temple of GOD in Jerusalem.
After the end of the first half of the last week, the ruthless false messiah-Revelation 13:v.11 to 18- will sit in his throne as GOD, but now will exercise also the function of Prophet in Israel, accumulating in addition to the function of false messiah, also that of prophet, a false prophet, of course, and the abomination of desolation will be established until the END of all things.
Be careful or get ready
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It's time to chill out. That comment is uncalled for. If you can't agree just ignore the poster.
And that is a judgmental comment. You don't know the poster personally and you certainly don't know their heart. Palestinians need to go back to the Arab countries they came from and live in peace. Israel has a right to a homeland and to defend it.
And that is a judgmental comment. You don't know the poster personally and you certainly don't know their heart. Palestinians need to go back to the Arab countries they came from and live in peace. Israel has a right to a homeland and to defend it.
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