Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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God did not elect him. God allowed him to come into office which is not an endorsement by God but a judgment on the sin of this nation. Because the church has taken carnality to heart and become lukewarm.
The church has embraced gay marriage, trangenderism, divorce, fornication, drunkness and has not taught the child the way of the Lord.
our children are ungodly, unloving, and have biblical illiteracy. No relationship with God, No Fear or reverence of God, unrepenting, and no relationship with Christ. They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.
They are more about the church of Oprah than of God. And God will continue to judge this nation as we continue in our wickedness.
There is no preaching of hell and no teaching of a Holy God. Where we are today is because the Church acted just like Israel
pointing at the temple of The lord yet they were perverted and served other gods.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, but sin is a reproach to any people.
The church has embraced gay marriage, trangenderism, divorce, fornication, drunkness and has not taught the child the way of the Lord.
our children are ungodly, unloving, and have biblical illiteracy. No relationship with God, No Fear or reverence of God, unrepenting, and no relationship with Christ. They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.
They are more about the church of Oprah than of God. And God will continue to judge this nation as we continue in our wickedness.
There is no preaching of hell and no teaching of a Holy God. Where we are today is because the Church acted just like Israel
pointing at the temple of The lord yet they were perverted and served other gods.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, but sin is a reproach to any people.
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No not really. Those who curse Israel will be cursed doesn't mention Christianity. It leave the promise open to all nations.
Nope, not how Christian we are but simply as already explained we are a Christian nation as defined in our foundation. Meaning if we rebel against the moral foundation that shaped our laws then we will be destroying the system of a Constitutional Republic designed around God-given rights.
Yes. Why? Number one, our faith is never taught to be forced on others but always a free will choice. And of course,
Romans 13:1
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13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
God established the system of government we live in.
Acts 17:26-27
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26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.
Nope, not how Christian we are but simply as already explained we are a Christian nation as defined in our foundation. Meaning if we rebel against the moral foundation that shaped our laws then we will be destroying the system of a Constitutional Republic designed around God-given rights.
Yes. Why? Number one, our faith is never taught to be forced on others but always a free will choice. And of course,
Romans 13:1
New International Version
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
God established the system of government we live in.
Acts 17:26-27
New International Version
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.
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Exorcism?
By your language, it seems you are spiritually familiar with an idolatrous environment and not with a sharp Sword, I mean the Word of GOD, that proceeds out of the mouth of him who cast alive the Beast of sea -the Papacy -, and the false prophet into the lake of fire, the hell's fire. The Word is GOD, understand?
Revelation 19:v.11 to 17
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth Judge and make War.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great GOD;
Be careful or get ready
K
Maybe not but you can prove the history of the Palestinians is recent and that they are not descendants of the Philistines, as some like to claim. Israel had a 3000 yr history in the land, no other peoples have that connection to the land. Palestine was a name given by Rome as a slight to the Jewish people. Palestinians are Arabs, they come from the surrounding countries. There was nothing but barren desert when Israel became a nation in 48. Mark Twain wrote about it. Now that Israel has made it bloom again, everyone wants a piece. They have turned down land 3 times, I don't see why they have a right now to want a two state solution.
K
I don't believe God elected the person in office. I believe He allowed it. And I believe we are near the end times and nations are lining up. In the end Israel will fight, totally alone, no help from America. Anti-Semitism is on the rise in the US, God is calling Jews home to Israel. No, He hasn't abandoned them, nor will He. But they will realize, sooner than later, that God is the only one they can turn to.
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The picture of the second gathering is one of world peace and harmony, not violent anti-semitism
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Thank you for answering the question. We disagree, but at least there is a basis to continue the discussion. My answer about Israel consists of showing support of Israel requires, in the US, a Christian component. You don't believe so, and that's okay.
I recognize that as our country drifts farther away from true Christianity we tend to support Israel less and the Palestinians more. You don't believe that has anything to do with Christianity? That's okay--we agree to disagree.
My argument, essentially, is that our government did not begin as a pure Christian "theocracy," but rather, as a "truce" between conservative Christians and Christian Deists. We agreed to coexist for the sake of peace.
I believe there are times when we can have a pure Christian theocracy, and times when it is impossible, because there is no true Christian majority. The US was born without a true Christian majority, but rather, as a "mixed" Christian population. It was, however, nominally a Christian majority.
When such a country exists, that is not truly Christian in character and in philosophy, the die is cast, and there will be an ebbing away of Christian spirituality. If a country is in the "rise," Christian testimony can improve the country. If the country is in a "downfall," Christianity will judge the country, and the country will reject Christianity.
The ancient Roman government initially rejected Christianity, but then accepted it. But it didn't fully accept it, and the empire fell.
Today we have an America that is in a "downfall." It never completely accepted Christianity, and instead is satisfied with religious pluralism, which I believe is idolatry. This is not the fault of conservative Christians, but of those who insisted on "other religions." Unfortunately, many conservative Christians have embraced this non-Christian, secularistic philosophy embracing all religions equally.
Again, I believe this is idolatry, and is speeding the downfall of our country. Just my opinion, brother. And it is why, I think, that the US is gradually turning against Israel and towards the Muslims.
I recognize that as our country drifts farther away from true Christianity we tend to support Israel less and the Palestinians more. You don't believe that has anything to do with Christianity? That's okay--we agree to disagree.
My argument, essentially, is that our government did not begin as a pure Christian "theocracy," but rather, as a "truce" between conservative Christians and Christian Deists. We agreed to coexist for the sake of peace.
I believe there are times when we can have a pure Christian theocracy, and times when it is impossible, because there is no true Christian majority. The US was born without a true Christian majority, but rather, as a "mixed" Christian population. It was, however, nominally a Christian majority.
When such a country exists, that is not truly Christian in character and in philosophy, the die is cast, and there will be an ebbing away of Christian spirituality. If a country is in the "rise," Christian testimony can improve the country. If the country is in a "downfall," Christianity will judge the country, and the country will reject Christianity.
The ancient Roman government initially rejected Christianity, but then accepted it. But it didn't fully accept it, and the empire fell.
Today we have an America that is in a "downfall." It never completely accepted Christianity, and instead is satisfied with religious pluralism, which I believe is idolatry. This is not the fault of conservative Christians, but of those who insisted on "other religions." Unfortunately, many conservative Christians have embraced this non-Christian, secularistic philosophy embracing all religions equally.
Again, I believe this is idolatry, and is speeding the downfall of our country. Just my opinion, brother. And it is why, I think, that the US is gradually turning against Israel and towards the Muslims.
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No, Hamas are religious--their religion includes the right to commit acts of terrorism, in the name of their religion. It's a bad religion, but it's a religion.
No, I can't take religion out of this subject. Israel belongs to Jews, and a substantial number of Jews are still religious Jews. Support for Israel from Christians comes from their religious beliefs, that God is restoring the land to the Jews out of His promises given to Abraham.
Since you don't quote what you're responding to, you make it difficult to comment. Yes, the US was founded on Judeo/Christian values. But it was also founded on a compromise with Deism, the philosophy of the government establishing equality between Deistic values and conservative Christian values. The result has been a gradual erosion of the strong voice of Christina conservatism. A rise in support for atheistic Communism, for foreign religions, and for Islam is the result. There is now less compassion for the Jews, because it seems pragmatic to non-Christians to pacify the large majority of Muslims in the Middle East at the expense of a tiny Jewish State. Equality among religions and protecting religious minorities, like Judaism, in the Middle East now takes 2nd place to the necessity of calming down the vast majority of Muslims.
I explain that with the brother who complained about it. Hopefully you understand my perspective now?
No, I can't take religion out of this subject. Israel belongs to Jews, and a substantial number of Jews are still religious Jews. Support for Israel from Christians comes from their religious beliefs, that God is restoring the land to the Jews out of His promises given to Abraham.
Since you don't quote what you're responding to, you make it difficult to comment. Yes, the US was founded on Judeo/Christian values. But it was also founded on a compromise with Deism, the philosophy of the government establishing equality between Deistic values and conservative Christian values. The result has been a gradual erosion of the strong voice of Christina conservatism. A rise in support for atheistic Communism, for foreign religions, and for Islam is the result. There is now less compassion for the Jews, because it seems pragmatic to non-Christians to pacify the large majority of Muslims in the Middle East at the expense of a tiny Jewish State. Equality among religions and protecting religious minorities, like Judaism, in the Middle East now takes 2nd place to the necessity of calming down the vast majority of Muslims.
I explain that with the brother who complained about it. Hopefully you understand my perspective now?
Oh I definitely agree. I was disagreeing with your secular government comment. If we went 100% secular tomorrow as in no religious people. Our country would still be a Christian nation. Why? The foundation is still established which means as the people go against the foundation for example abortion which violates the right to life and the sin of murder, they are going against the morals of the foundation. They are violating the law. Of course, if it was to get that bad, they would just rewrite the constitution and then it will no longer be a Christian nation both physically and spiritually.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
Agree except the deist part. Most where evangelical Christians from different denominations.
It was created out of the will of God
Agree. When morals are in decay, so decays the country.
If you mean universalism then yes I agree. But if you mean to promote theocracy then no. Why? Because it is God who builds nations up but it is He who also tears them down.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
Agree except the deist part. Most where evangelical Christians from different denominations.
It was created out of the will of God
Agree. When morals are in decay, so decays the country.
If you mean universalism then yes I agree. But if you mean to promote theocracy then no. Why? Because it is God who builds nations up but it is He who also tears them down.
You must provide evidence of deism as the majority belief. Or even one. You typically hear Thomas Jefferson from the liberal left names as a diest but fail to explain it was in his old age when he began to seem to sway to deism which unfortunately many theologians say some odd things in their old age even C.S.Lewis.
Benjamin Franklin was the 2nd less spiritual and even he accepted Christianity as the best religion for morals. He called for prayer and acknowledged God's hand in the creation of the US.
Thomas Paine is the most irreligious only because of his actions. In Common Sense, his book, he definitely was a Christian but over time and after the war he shifted into atheism.
As for the 100+ founding fathers, if you look up each name. Most were very outspoken about their faith. They preached, started Bible colleges, hospitals, public schools that taught the Bible, and did things within their own lives to promote Christianity.
Benjamin Franklin was the 2nd less spiritual and even he accepted Christianity as the best religion for morals. He called for prayer and acknowledged God's hand in the creation of the US.
Thomas Paine is the most irreligious only because of his actions. In Common Sense, his book, he definitely was a Christian but over time and after the war he shifted into atheism.
As for the 100+ founding fathers, if you look up each name. Most were very outspoken about their faith. They preached, started Bible colleges, hospitals, public schools that taught the Bible, and did things within their own lives to promote Christianity.
It seems that you don't understand the real reasons for these battles in OT.
in my opinion,God wants to show rule through Israel ,
Israel, who follows word of God, will overcome all foreign enemies
When Israel forsaken the command of God, Israel was displaced.
If you only think that the history in the Old Testament of Israel is just war, you'd better learn from ancient Chinese history. There are too many classic battles in it
in my opinion,God wants to show rule through Israel ,
Israel, who follows word of God, will overcome all foreign enemies
When Israel forsaken the command of God, Israel was displaced.
If you only think that the history in the Old Testament of Israel is just war, you'd better learn from ancient Chinese history. There are too many classic battles in it
Yes, its true. JESUS is the Olive Tree-John 15:v.1 to 8.
Yes, JESUS is GOD -the Word- the Word made flesh. He was born around two thousand years ago in Israel, by the way, from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations, it was still the fourth Day - Genesis 1:v.16 to 19 - or around 4,000 years after the beginning-Genesis 1:v.1 - , JESUS is a Jew, the salvation is of the Jews, JESUS said - John 4:v.22.
But there are two Olive Trees. The two Olive Trees are a source of Oil for the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Revelation 11:v.4. Do you know what is a candlestick according Scriptures?
We can say the two Olive Trees gave rise to the Old Testament - the Torah - and to the New Testament. The Bible is a product originating from two Olive Trees written in two parts, in two different periods, which God uses as His powerful witnesses within the two candlesticks. Everything that has been written is LITERALLY fulfilled in the world of men, and in the heavenly environments that were created by God for his people to inhabit in them.