Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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Hey your catching on 
All Jews, Caucasians, Hispanics, Chinese, Africans, that deny Jesus Christ And His Finished Work On Calvary get the curse, ending in the Lake of Fire
All Jews, Caucasians, Hispanics, Chinese, Africans, that deny Jesus Christ And His Finished Work On Calvary get the curse, ending in the Lake of Fire
So just rip Romans 9-11 out and burn it, got it.
King James Bible
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen [G1586] you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
Young's Literal Translation
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"
--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm
[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'" ]
So... "chosen / choose [G1586]"... same word as found in Mark 13:20, "but on account of the elect whom He chose [G1586], He hath shortened the days."
https://biblehub.com/text/mark/13-20.htm
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen [G1586] you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
Young's Literal Translation
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"
--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm
[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'"
]So... "chosen / choose [G1586]"... same word as found in Mark 13:20, "but on account of the elect whom He chose [G1586], He hath shortened the days."
https://biblehub.com/text/mark/13-20.htm
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Israel was never cursed by God or Jesus for their part in the crucifixion.
Jesus held them accountable for not knowing the time of their visitation.
The greek language suggest the our lord's plea.....(forgive them for they do not know what their doing) was said continual through the chastening.
Jesus himself said...(no man takes my life but I lay it down)
The jews killed jesus is off the table.
The jews rejecting jesus as Messiah does not mean that a Messiah was not prophcied.
Forbidding the teaching of Isaiah 53 and actually even today ripping out those pages of prophecy of the suffering servant has caused great harm to the Jewish people.
It is the Pharisees and Sadducees jesus had issues with. Not the Jewish people. But because of the teachings of these white washed sepulchers the people were confused, and led astray.
Today the problem still remains as Pharisees and Sadducees still insist on their added on teachings.
Notice it always revolved around the sabbath and cleansing customs when they challenged our Lord.
Demonstration of works salvation.
Israel is the example of a God fearing nation to us and all the world. The very example of blessings and cursings. God could of destroyed Israel at any time. Why spare them untill the end of the age only to cast them away?
Israel is the physical, we are the spiritual, the church is exclusive to Christ. No more do the gentiles need to remain in the outter court but are now welcomed into the Holy of Holies for we also have a high priest.
Remembering paul said that we boldly come before the throne of God not by the sacrifices of lambs but by the sacrifice of the lamb...Christ Jesus.
Israel in the end times will make a covenant with anti Christ but it will be broken and war will persue.
Nation's will rise against Israel but not all nation's... Ezekiel 38.
Within this chaos and calamity the second coming is to happen for God himself shall defend.
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Jesus held them accountable for not knowing the time of their visitation.
The greek language suggest the our lord's plea.....(forgive them for they do not know what their doing) was said continual through the chastening.
Jesus himself said...(no man takes my life but I lay it down)
The jews killed jesus is off the table.
The jews rejecting jesus as Messiah does not mean that a Messiah was not prophcied.
Forbidding the teaching of Isaiah 53 and actually even today ripping out those pages of prophecy of the suffering servant has caused great harm to the Jewish people.
It is the Pharisees and Sadducees jesus had issues with. Not the Jewish people. But because of the teachings of these white washed sepulchers the people were confused, and led astray.
Today the problem still remains as Pharisees and Sadducees still insist on their added on teachings.
Notice it always revolved around the sabbath and cleansing customs when they challenged our Lord.
Demonstration of works salvation.
Israel is the example of a God fearing nation to us and all the world. The very example of blessings and cursings. God could of destroyed Israel at any time. Why spare them untill the end of the age only to cast them away?
Israel is the physical, we are the spiritual, the church is exclusive to Christ. No more do the gentiles need to remain in the outter court but are now welcomed into the Holy of Holies for we also have a high priest.
Remembering paul said that we boldly come before the throne of God not by the sacrifices of lambs but by the sacrifice of the lamb...Christ Jesus.
Israel in the end times will make a covenant with anti Christ but it will be broken and war will persue.
Nation's will rise against Israel but not all nation's... Ezekiel 38.
Within this chaos and calamity the second coming is to happen for God himself shall defend.
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Young's Literal Translation
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"
--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm
[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'" ]
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"
--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm
[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'"
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...and I could add the following...
Consider the RELATED word in the following verse:
"For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect [G1588 - eklektos - LXX], I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me."
--Isaiah 45:4
["Israel mine elect"... ?]
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My happy face was supposed to be a red X lol but I guess it lagged. My phone gets slow and does stupid stuff. But yes I agree with your interpretation that I have seen. I have not read each post as multiple pages go past before I log back on. But I agree 7t7 has a lazy interpretation with improper context.
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Yes the gospel was preached to the Jew first in Jerusalem, just as the scripture below teaches.
The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first
Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first
Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Jesus Christ is the Olive Tree, he was God manifest in the flesh of a Jew, he is salvation
The unbelieving Jews was broken off because of unbelief, and the remnant elect Jew will be grafted back into the Olive Tree Jesus Christ
All Persons after the cross of Calvary are grafted into the Jewish Olive Tree Jesus Christ
Yes the gospel was preached in Jerusalem to the Jew first
The unbelieving Jews was broken off because of unbelief, and the remnant elect Jew will be grafted back into the Olive Tree Jesus Christ
All Persons after the cross of Calvary are grafted into the Jewish Olive Tree Jesus Christ
Yes the gospel was preached in Jerusalem to the Jew first
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You have Israel as a God fearing Nation being an example to the world,then in the same breath, you have Israel making a covenant with the antichrist?
That is the Messiah that they were taught to look for. That's what the Pharisees taught.
That's why they couldn't understand his death. That's what they were waiting for.
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