Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Phoneman-777]

You are that servant, though I am not sure you are saved ...

You see how the Unmerciful Servant was forgiven but later wound having his original, impossible debt reinstated? Just one example of the many that destroy OSAS.

When it comes to pointing out false security, we ought to stop wrongly accusing the ostrich who always keeps his head up and point to the only group that DOES bury their collective head in the sand: OSAS Christians.

 

[Phoneman-777]

This is the same as those who when shown the scripture which says we are securely in the Father's hands and no-one can snatch us out stupidly say "ah but we can wriggle out of His hands"

Yes, but it's true, so what about it?

 

[gb9]

Once again, you mischaracterize the actions of others, Bonesman! I do not attack anyone - if I wanted to hurt people, I'd say nothing and let suffer unimaginable agony on Judgment Day.

My aim is to point people away from the false eternal security of OSAS and to the true, one and only eternal security that comes from making Jesus BOTH their Savior AND Lord.

Those who insist the salvation of God is a OSAS License to Sin are as incredulous as the groom who insists on permission from his wife to continue fornicating with other women.

and where is anyone in here saying that?

you are applying critical theory, thinking that anyone who says " we are saved by faith and trust in Christ" , is actually saying that sin does not matter.

you are arguing with yourself.....

 

[posthuman]

My aim is to point people away from the false eternal security of OSAS and to the true, one and only eternal security that comes from making Jesus BOTH their Savior AND Lord.

You say the words "eternal security" but what you preach is eternal insecurity, because you add works to grace.

If we are saved, we are saved eternally and it does not depend on works.

You preach a false salvation on which there is no supernatural work of God in a person's heart, then say this supposed saved person in whom God was never at work has lost salvation that he never had.

When God saved us, He put His Spirit in us and changed our hearts so that we no longer desire to sin, tho our flesh does.

But you preach a godless non-transformation resting on pure human will to whitewash our tombs. You are not describing a person who has been saved, you are describing an imaginary person who has never repented, does not have the Spirit and has been told he's saved tho he never was - and you encourage them to make a false outward show of righteousness not reflecting their heart, and you say by such works they will be saved.

Maybe you do all this because you do not understand what you read?

 

[Blik]

If we are saved, we are saved eternally and it does not depend on works.

There are people who use this fact of the Lord to ignore other things the Lord has told us. The Lord is Holy and eternal, it takes an eternal Lord to be perfect and live in heaven, and we as humans are simply not capable of that perfection. If we use that fact to turn a blind eye to what God tells us about ourselves and salvation, then we are being blind.

It is true that unforgiven sins kills. That is also a fact. Using the words "eternal security" does not change that fact. Our forgiveness rests on our faith, that faith must be in all Christ is and speaks, not on our yesterday's salvation.

If we want to be forgiven we must be people who forgive, that is also a fact as true as the fact that it is through our faith we are saved. We need to repent of sin, that is a fact, also. If our desire is for sin we can't have both a desire to sin and forgiveness for the sin we want to have.

 

[posthuman]

If we want to be forgiven we must be people who forgive, that is also a fact as true as the fact that it is through our faith we are saved. We need to repent of sin, that is a fact, also. If our desire is for sin we can't have both a desire to sin and forgiveness for the sin we want to have.

If I hate what I do, it's no longer me doing it, but sin dwelling in my flesh, that yes, I must work to master.

 

[Dino246]

we can't have both a desire to sin and forgiveness for the sin we want to have.

We can and do. While your assertion sounds correct, it isn't. There is no Scripture to support it.

The reality is that we live in a body of sin. Paul addressed this in Romans 7. We struggle continually in the tension between sinful desire and godly desire.

 

[Phoneman-777]

but they did not faithfully obey ... nor do you

You break the law so you must pay the penalty of it ... that is your own judgement.

Which laws do I habitually break?

I see you level accusations against others as recklessly as you interpret Scripture, and with no evidence to back anything up in either case.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The Holy Spirit in you help us but HE doesn't force you to obey YOu do that IF you plan on sinning and breaking the law you will do so as you have in the past.

I agree. But, why should a Christian choose to break the Sabbath? It's like him choosing to murder someone, but somehow the 4th Commandment is not as important as the 6th?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Eph 1.13-14
Eph 4.30

John 8:56-58 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

Why do you keep saying this ? Animal sacrifices no longer apply?

Why do you think people were saved differently in the OT? Don't you realize the blood of bulls and goats never covered anyone's sin? It was what the blood REPRESENTED that covered their sin: the faith in the shed blood of Jesus that had yet to be shed is what covered their sin, just like Abraham's faith was the faith of the circumcision, "him being not circumcised".

 

[Phoneman-777]

Matthew 7 ? what Christians were in the audience ?

We know the people to whom Jesus will say "depart" are sinners who thought they were Christian because He specifically mentions them prophesying, casting out, and doing miracles "IN MY NAME"- what's His name?

"Christ".

 

[Phoneman-777]

//the "blood of bulls and goats" never covered the first sin.// ? That's curious?
Heres what it actually says .
Hebrews 10:4

“For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”

Hebrews 9
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Pretty sure I said the same thing as Hebrews 10;4

 

[Phoneman-777]

//
This is what I know to be Biblically true:
"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."// This doesn't make sense . Its contradicting itself .So are you saying God doesn't know if we are saved unless he Judges our works ? And after he checks our works ,this proves we've been saved all a long and there was never a danger of losing salvation , its just that God cannot know until we've proved it ? Does God forget when he saves us ?

You don't realize that the Saints will be judged in the future?

Did you never read Daniel 7? Don't you know that "judgment must begin at the house of God"?

Do you agree with Paul that "we all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ"? in the future?

Yes, we are saved by grace but judged by our works because our works are the evidence we've been or not been saved by grace.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I think your confused. I believe eternal security is based on Eph 4.30 ,Eph 1.13 -14 . Its based on the sealing of the Holy spirit and being predestined to the future adoption . Eph 1.5 .

I think you're the one who's confused. Read Isaiah 8:16 KJV and find out what the disciples of Christ are sealed with.

It is astounding how blind people are to the truths of Scripture because all Christianity is today is an endless round of false pulpit prophets preaching a false OSAS gospel that is no Gospel at all "and My people love to have it so."

 

[CS1]

I agree. But, why should a Christian choose to break the Sabbath? It's like him choosing to murder someone, but somehow the 4th Commandment is not as important as the 6th?

it is not that one chooses to break it as much as one trying to be justified by keeping it. Jesus said about the Sabbath.

Paraphrasing here ok,

is it better to do good on this day or do nothing?

Is it better to help someone or to stay home and lock the door and do Nothing? Which brings more glory to God?

Doing nothing or doing something in the name of The Lord? The fact is the Pharisees thought they were keeping the Sabbath, guess what Jesus said NOPE. Now think about that? The Pharisees were Jewish. They had the temple, the sacrifices, and were far more in line as to properly keeping the sabbath more than you and I YET Jesus said they were not.

How do you achieve a law unto yourself and not have those things that are needed to keep them?

 

[Phoneman-777]

​

And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, ​

even ten commandments; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone. ​

(Deuteronomy 4:13) ​

"Do we make void the "OLD COVENANT" through faith? God forbid. Yea, we establish the "OLD COVENANT."- Romans 3:31 KJV

Get busy establishing that Old Covenant, bro

(P.S. - Deuteronomy 4:13 KJV is saying that Israel's PART of the covenant was to obey the law - not that the covenant itself was the law.

 

[Evmur]

Which laws do I habitually break?

I see you level accusations against others as recklessly as you interpret Scripture, and with no evidence to back anything up in either case.

My comments are mild to what you have said.

You do break the law, to try to be saved by keeping the law is disobeying God's commandment. I t works like this

When God said "keep My Laws" the devil agitated for us to always break God's law but now God says no longer obey Moses' law the devil agitates for us to try to keep Moses' law, it is just waywardness.

Like when God told the Jews to enter into the promise land and they wouldn't so God said for them to go back into the wilderness but they said no we will now enter the promised land, whatever God says they disobey.

You'll get chased by bees because you are wayward and rebellious.

You flog everybody else to obey Moses but you don't ... that is hypocrisy.

The law demands perfect obedience or else, if the law could be merciful and let us slip every now and then the law would cease to stand. The law is unbending. This is what Hebrews says what can you do when you slip? there is no more sacrifice, if the cross does not cover all sin you are left without hope just a fearful expectation of judgement.

Hebrews is for YOU ... you can't go back to the law.

The cross is God's only remedy for sin.

 

[Evmur]

You see how the Unmerciful Servant was forgiven but later wound having his original, impossible debt reinstated? Just one example of the many that destroy OSAS.

When it comes to pointing out false security, we ought to stop wrongly accusing the ostrich who always keeps his head up and point to the only group that DOES bury their collective head in the sand: OSAS Christians.

We received God's free gift of eternal life you are preaching a contradiction in terms.

 

[CS1]

Which laws do I habitually break?

I see you level accusations against others as recklessly as you interpret Scripture, and with no evidence to back anything up in either case.

Hey you don't have to break the Law of God habitually for one to have broken the law they can keep punishment is due for the first time and only once.