Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Phoneman-777]

Name one diciple ( those that learned closest to the Lord in the flesh ) who was ' looking forward to Calvary ' This is a nice catch phrase but not true .

The OT was clear that the Seed was to crush the head of the serpent, though His heel would be crushed.

Abraham understood full well what Jesus' mission was and taught His people fully...but the same Helenistic lies that corrupt your thinking corrupted even those closest to Jesus.

 

[Phoneman-777]

//The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremoni// Completely false. We have 13 epistles which are filled with ' differences ' because of the death ,burial ,resurrection and giving of the Holy Spirit.

I do not teach lies. The NT is clear that the "blood of bulls and goats" never covered the first sin...it was a SYMBOL of the FAITH the people were to have that one day GOD HIMSELF would bear the burden of their sin.

The reason why you want the blood of animals to take away OT sins is so you can have your ridiculous Dispensationalism lie established....it will never be Biblical truth, friend.

 

[Phoneman-777]

All I can see here is " Blah, blah ,blah and blah " ?

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

// Are Christians at liberty to break them while sinners are cast into hell for doing the same?// Sinners are cast into hell because they don't receive Jesus . Have you recieved Jesus? If so how did you ?

Jesus said people are cast into the Lake of Fire because they work iniquity (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV) ...... and they work iniquity because the throne of their heart was never occupied by King Jesus or at some point after inviting Him to sit there, they expelled Him and resumed sitting on it as before and are left powerless to do anything but work iniquity (Romans 8:7 KJV).

 

[Phoneman-777]

// I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that..Show me where it says the SAVED PERSON MAY BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE IT SAYS THE SAVED PERSON WHO DOES THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.// // I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that.// No this is where we have the same words but we have different definitions of these words . So we haven't even got passed this point yet . I believe we are saved by Grace through faith ,not by works ,period. You do not.

This is what I know to be Biblically true:

"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."
(Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV; James 2:8-12 KJV; 1 John 2:3-4 KJV)​

I also know this to be Biblically true, as well:

"OSAS is a doctrine of devils which says that we may obtain by dead faith
that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life".
(James 2:17-18 KJV; James 2:24-26 KJV).​

 

[Phoneman-777]

i have the Word of God, thanks.

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace!​

(Galatians 5:4)​

no one who has the Truth believes you. His sheep won't follow a stranger.
salvation is by grace through faith, not of works. it's God's doing, not yours, and it's effective: we are redeemed and renewed.

but keep telling yourself how cool you are, and have a nice time accusing the brethren.

Please, enough with the strawman, OK?

Nobody is claiming Justification is by works; Jesus said it's impossible in Luke 17:7-10 KJV.

Matthew 24:12-13 KJV proves that the saints can be lost if they allow impenitent iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead, in contrast to the saints who "endure to the end" and are saved. Why can't you accept the plain words of Scripture?

 

[throughfaith]

The OT was clear that the Seed was to crush the head of the serpent, though His heel would be crushed.

Abraham understood full well what Jesus' mission was and taught His people fully...but the same Helenistic lies that corrupt your thinking corrupted even those closest to Jesus.

Eph 1.13-14
Eph 4.30

 

[throughfaith]

I do not teach lies. The NT is clear that the "blood of bulls and goats" never covered the first sin...it was a SYMBOL of the FAITH the people were to have that one day GOD HIMSELF would bear the burden of their sin.

The reason why you want the blood of animals to take away OT sins is so you can have your ridiculous Dispensationalism lie established....it will never be Biblical truth, friend.

Why do you keep saying this ? Animal sacrifices no longer apply?

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus said people are cast into the Lake of Fire because they work iniquity (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV) ...... and they work iniquity because the throne of their heart was never occupied by King Jesus or at some point after inviting Him to sit there, they expelled Him and resumed sitting on it as before and are left powerless to do anything but work iniquity (Romans 8:7 KJV).

Matthew 7 ? what Christians were in the audience ?

 

[throughfaith]

I do not teach lies. The NT is clear that the "blood of bulls and goats" never covered the first sin...it was a SYMBOL of the FAITH the people were to have that one day GOD HIMSELF would bear the burden of their sin.

The reason why you want the blood of animals to take away OT sins is so you can have your ridiculous Dispensationalism lie established....it will never be Biblical truth, friend.

//the "blood of bulls and goats" never covered the first sin.// ? That's curious?
Heres what it actually says .
Hebrews 10:4

“For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”

Hebrews 9
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[throughfaith]

This is what I know to be Biblically true:

"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."
(Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV; James 2:8-12 KJV; 1 John 2:3-4 KJV)​

I also know this to be Biblically true, as well:

"OSAS is a doctrine of devils which says that we may obtain by dead faith
that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life".
(James 2:17-18 KJV; James 2:24-26 KJV).​

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This is what I know to be Biblically true:
"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."// This doesn't make sense . Its contradicting itself .So are you saying God doesn't know if we are saved unless he Judges our works ? And after he checks our works ,this proves we've been saved all a long and there was never a danger of losing salvation , its just that God cannot know until we've proved it ? Does God forget when he saves us ?

 

[throughfaith]

This is what I know to be Biblically true:

"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."
(Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV; James 2:8-12 KJV; 1 John 2:3-4 KJV)​

I also know this to be Biblically true, as well:

"OSAS is a doctrine of devils which says that we may obtain by dead faith
that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life".
(James 2:17-18 KJV; James 2:24-26 KJV).​

I think your confused. I believe eternal security is based on Eph 4.30 ,Eph 1.13 -14 . Its based on the sealing of the Holy spirit and being predestined to the future adoption . Eph 1.5 .

 

[posthuman]

The Ten Commandments are not the Old Covenant

And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform,
even ten commandments; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone.
(Deuteronomy 4:13) ​

 

[posthuman]

This is what I know to be Biblically true:

"We are saved by grace through faith but judged by our works because
our works prove whether or not we've been saved
by grace through faith."​

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
he that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(John 5:24)
​

salvation is by belief.
you make it by works, and if by works, no one is saved, because no one does what is right.

 

[posthuman]

Nobody is claiming Justification is by works

*ahem*

our works prove whether or not we've been saved

 

[listenyoumust]

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Verily, verily, I say unto you, ​

he that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, ​

and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ​

(John 5:24) ​

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salvation is by belief.
you make it by works, and if by works, no one is saved, because no one does what is right.

and Jesus would have had no need to come and die and resurrect .

 

[listenyoumust]

*ahem*

good works is fruit . not seed

 

[throughfaith]

The OT was clear that the Seed was to crush the head of the serpent, though His heel would be crushed.

Abraham understood full well what Jesus' mission was and taught His people fully...but the same Helenistic lies that corrupt your thinking corrupted even those closest to Jesus.

I think its fair to say that many people think they are not teaching salvation by works but in truth they are . All that happens is 'semantics '. Its a word game . Either its front loaded or back loaded . Everyone else can see whats going on ,apart from the salesman. Its just long winded , play on words , word games . Its like how can we dress this up in such a way to avoid the obvious implications of teaching salvation by works . Its amazing how creative certain groups frame it .

 

[Phoneman-777]

disbelieving God's faithfulness makes one a son of Belial.
Christ said He gives eternal life to the one who believes Him.

you should probably stop devoting your life to attacking people for putting their trust in Him.
their Defender is strong, and you cannot stand against Him.

Once again, you mischaracterize the actions of others, Bonesman! I do not attack anyone - if I wanted to hurt people, I'd say nothing and let suffer unimaginable agony on Judgment Day.

My aim is to point people away from the false eternal security of OSAS and to the true, one and only eternal security that comes from making Jesus BOTH their Savior AND Lord.

Those who insist the salvation of God is a OSAS License to Sin are as incredulous as the groom who insists on permission from his wife to continue fornicating with other women.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I think its fair to say that many people think they are not teaching salvation by works but in truth they are . All that happens is 'semantics '. Its a word game . Either its front loaded or back loaded . Everyone else can see whats going on ,apart from the salesman. Its just long winded , play on words , word games . Its like how can we dress this up in such a way to avoid the obvious implications of teaching salvation by works . Its amazing how creative certain groups frame it .

Please, 1 John 2:3-4 KJV and James 2:24-26 KJV do not teach salvatoin by works: they expose OSAS as unable to stand the test of Biblical scrutiny.

OSAS insists that salvation covers deliberate, known, habitual, impenitent sins, saying salvation either changes God's opinion of its continued practice, that grace covers it, or that eternal security makes the guilty one immune to the penalty of it.

Read the verses I present just as they are written without the constant bias with which you view them. They are clear: for the Just Man who falls 7 times but rises out of it there is mercy, but for the OSAS Presumptuous Man who climbs down to it, gets comfortable, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and waves his OSAS License to Sin in His face -- that man is going to the Lake of Fire.