Question specifically about the NEW covenant.

[posthuman]

Moses gave a provision tho

not that it was Moses -- but the LORD who told this to Moses to give to the Hebrews ((Leviticus 27:34))
they asked for a mediator ((Exodus 20:19)) because they said they would die if the LORD continued to speak to them; they knew they were evil. that they needed law ((1 Timothy 1:9))

 

[Lafftur]

Thank you for not misinterpreting my previous message to you. Please do not misunderstand this one either

I think what you've said is a bit woolly, to be honest.
In fact, in some churches the very question I asked in my original post is purposely answered in a very woolly and vague manner as a means of side-stepping the question.

"They" do not want to admit to their flock that there is no scriptural basis for tithing in the new testament. In order to circumnavigate this fact, they make appeals to emotion (which also has no scriptural basis whatsoever).

Oh, it’s no fun to not be a giver....lol.

There’s a lot of joy in giving God 10%....we’re only hurting ourselves if we don’t...it’s the same kind of bondage as trying to justify unforgiveness.

There is discretion and wisdom that we need to walk in as we give....meaning sometimes others try to take advantage of our willingness to give so, we need to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s leading.

When giving is in line with God’s heart, it is great fun and joy!

 

[Unearthed]

Oh, it’s no fun to not be a giver....lol.

There’s a lot of joy in giving God 10%....we’re only hurting ourselves if we don’t...it’s the same kind of bondage as trying to justify unforgiveness.

There is discretion and wisdom that we need to walk in as we give....meaning sometimes others try to take advantage of our willingness to give so, we need to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s leading.

When giving is in line with God’s heart, it is great fun and joy!

None of this answers my question about whether tithing is a requirement under the new covenant.

 

[Blik]

Oh, so you're saying that we still live under Mosaic law, though the law has been "written on our hearts"?
So, I take it you don't wear clothing of different fabrics?

You are splitting hairs and trying to misrepresent what the Lord teaches. The old covenant tells us not to murder, and new covenant tells us not to murder. Christ said "you have been told" and then Christ said "but I tell you". Do you think that Christ cancelled the command not to murder or did Christ tell how that command was in the new covenant? For goodness sakes think about it in light of your thoughts about it.

In the new testament, written in our hearts, we do not mix heathen thoughts and ways with ways of the Lord. In the old testament that was given an example of mixing fabrics. In the new covenant we do not need to do the physical example to know the spiritual rule. In our hearts we leave the words of the Lord pure, not mixing them with ways of the heathens.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are splitting hairs and trying to misrepresent what the Lord teaches. The old covenant tells us not to murder, and new covenant tells us not to murder. Christ said "you have been told" and then Christ said "but I tell you". Do you think that Christ cancelled the command not to murder or did Christ tell how that command was in the new covenant? For goodness sakes think about it in light of your thoughts about it.

In the new testament, written in our hearts, we do not mix heathen thoughts and ways with ways of the Lord. In the old testament that was given an example of mixing fabrics. In the new covenant we do not need to do the physical example to know the spiritual rule. In our hearts we leave the words of the Lord pure, not mixing them with ways of the heathens.

2 Corinthians 3:3KJV
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

 

[Lafftur]

None of this answers my question about whether tithing is a requirement under the new covenant.

Just be still and ask the Holy Spirit to answer your question...only then will you understand the Truth...by the Spirit of Truth.

I was still and asked the Holy Spirit your question.....

He said, “Although he is loved by God greatly. he is blind by pride and human reasoning unable to see or understand that “giving/tithing” is a spiritual law written on the heart, no longer a written law...Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the written law for him and all of mankind. If he would seek the Lord with all his heart, he would find Him and understand all the spiritual laws written on his heart.”

I answered and said, “Amen.”

 

[Truth7t7]

Just be still and ask the Holy Spirit to answer your question...only then will you understand the Truth...by the Spirit of Truth.

I was still and asked the Holy Spirit your question.....

He said, “Although he is loved by God greatly. he is blind by pride and human reasoning unable to see or understand that “giving/tithing” is a spiritual law written on the heart, no longer a written law...Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the written law for him and all of mankind. If he would seek the Lord with all his heart, he would find Him and understand all the spiritual laws written on his heart.”

I answered and said, “Amen.”

Acts 4:31-35KJV
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

 

[Dino246]

It is sad that so many relatively intelligent people cannot grasp the distinction between two related concepts.

Leaves fall to the ground, and rain falls to the ground, but leaves are not rain. A cello can give a pleasant sound, and a brook can give a pleasant sound, but a cello is not a brook. A textbook can tell its reader about history, and the Bible can tell its reader about history, but a textbook is not the Bible.

A person can give, and a person can tithe, but giving is not tithing. If Christians could get this simple distinction straight, and stop misusing the terms, it would resolve a large portion of the confusion on this matter.

Tithing, under the old covenant Law, was payable with agricultural products, not money. It was never voluntary. Giving, for the Christian, is not limited to agricultural products, and is always voluntary.

Giving ten percent of your monetary income is not tithing according to the Bible. Even if you were to give one-tenth of your crops and every tenth animal to your local church (imagine the uproar!), you still aren't tithing according to the Bible because the tithe is to be brought to the Levites at the temple, not to the pastor at the church building.

Giving of your financial resources to support your local Christian fellowship IS clearly implied in Scripture as a requirement of Christians. However, that's not "tithing".

Here's the core problem: the word "tithe" is NEVER used in Scripture of a voluntary offering of money to a religious institution. If you use the word, "tithing" to describe that practice, you will have people thinking that "tithing" is a requirement. They will look in their Bibles, find the laws about tithing under the old covenant, and feel either guilty because they aren't handing over enough, or prideful because they think they are. Neither is sound, because Christians aren't under the Law. God is not the author of such confusion!

Please, STOP calling your monetary giving "tithing". It's Christianese codswollop rooted in plain ignorance (and maybe some pride). Just give your money, and if you need a word to describe the practice, use the one that the Bible uses: offering.

 

[Lafftur]

It is sad that so many relatively intelligent people cannot grasp the distinction between two related concepts.

Leaves fall to the ground, and rain falls to the ground, but leaves are not rain. A cello can give a pleasant sound, and a brook can give a pleasant sound, but a cello is not a brook. A textbook can tell its reader about history, and the Bible can tell its reader about history, but a textbook is not the Bible.

A person can give, and a person can tithe, but giving is not tithing. If Christians could get this simple distinction straight, and stop misusing the terms, it would resolve a large portion of the confusion on this matter.

Tithing, under the old covenant Law, was payable with agricultural products, not money. It was never voluntary. Giving, for the Christian, is not limited to agricultural products, and is always voluntary.

Giving ten percent of your monetary income is not tithing according to the Bible. Even if you were to give one-tenth of your crops and every tenth animal to your local church (imagine the uproar!), you still aren't tithing according to the Bible because the tithe is to be brought to the Levites at the temple, not to the pastor at the church building.

Giving of your financial resources to support your local Christian fellowship IS clearly implied in Scripture as a requirement of Christians. However, that's not "tithing".

Here's the core problem: the word "tithe" is NEVER used in Scripture of a voluntary offering of money to a religious institution. If you use the word, "tithing" to describe that practice, you will have people thinking that "tithing" is a requirement. They will look in their Bibles, find the laws about tithing under the old covenant, and feel either guilty because they aren't handing over enough, or prideful because they think they are. Neither is sound, because Christians aren't under the Law. God is not the author of such confusion!

Please, STOP calling your monetary giving "tithing". It's Christianese codswollop rooted in plain ignorance (and maybe some pride). Just give your money, and if you need a word to describe the practice, use the one that the Bible uses: offering.

Is there a “spiritual law” written on our hearts now for tithing?!

I say YES! 10% of the first of all my income.

 

[Dino246]

Is there a “spiritual law” written on our hearts now for tithing?!

I say YES! 10% of the first of all my income.

While what you give is between you and God, what you present as normative for Christians isn't. You cannot present a biblically sound case for your position, because tithing was never 10% on income, but 10% on increase.

There is nothing in the Law about tithes being paid by fishermen, tradesmen, or labourers; only by those who raise crops or animals.

 

[Unearthed]

Just be still and ask the Holy Spirit to answer your question...only then will you understand the Truth...by the Spirit of Truth.

I was still and asked the Holy Spirit your question.....

He said, “Although he is loved by God greatly. he is blind by pride and human reasoning unable to see or understand that “giving/tithing” is a spiritual law written on the heart, no longer a written law...Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the written law for him and all of mankind. If he would seek the Lord with all his heart, he would find Him and understand all the spiritual laws written on his heart.”

I answered and said, “Amen.”

Again, this doesn't answer my question and, respectfully, is just a side step.

If you believe that Jesus Christ fulfilled the law, which he did, why do you believe that we are still required to tithe?

 

[Unearthed]

It is sad that so many relatively intelligent people cannot grasp the distinction between two related concepts.

Leaves fall to the ground, and rain falls to the ground, but leaves are not rain. A cello can give a pleasant sound, and a brook can give a pleasant sound, but a cello is not a brook. A textbook can tell its reader about history, and the Bible can tell its reader about history, but a textbook is not the Bible.

A person can give, and a person can tithe, but giving is not tithing. If Christians could get this simple distinction straight, and stop misusing the terms, it would resolve a large portion of the confusion on this matter.

Tithing, under the old covenant Law, was payable with agricultural products, not money. It was never voluntary. Giving, for the Christian, is not limited to agricultural products, and is always voluntary.

Giving ten percent of your monetary income is not tithing according to the Bible. Even if you were to give one-tenth of your crops and every tenth animal to your local church (imagine the uproar!), you still aren't tithing according to the Bible because the tithe is to be brought to the Levites at the temple, not to the pastor at the church building.

Giving of your financial resources to support your local Christian fellowship IS clearly implied in Scripture as a requirement of Christians. However, that's not "tithing".

Here's the core problem: the word "tithe" is NEVER used in Scripture of a voluntary offering of money to a religious institution. If you use the word, "tithing" to describe that practice, you will have people thinking that "tithing" is a requirement. They will look in their Bibles, find the laws about tithing under the old covenant, and feel either guilty because they aren't handing over enough, or prideful because they think they are. Neither is sound, because Christians aren't under the Law. God is not the author of such confusion!

Please, STOP calling your monetary giving "tithing". It's Christianese codswollop rooted in plain ignorance (and maybe some pride). Just give your money, and if you need a word to describe the practice, use the one that the Bible uses: offering.

Completely agree with everything you have said.
Why is it that people who should know better (e.g. pastors) fail to explain this topic accurately?

 

[Lafftur]

Again, this doesn't answer my question and, respectfully, is just a side step.

If you believe that Jesus Christ fulfilled the law, which he did, why do you believe that we are still required to tithe?

No, Tithing is a Written Law however, there is a Spiritual Law of GIVING.

NOTHING is REQUIRED anymore....it's about what our hearts' DESIRES....Spiritual Laws are soooooo different from the Written Laws.

Written Laws are pure and simple...they are WRITTEN for us to know and be judged by - we can NEVER completely obey the Written Law - by it we are condemn.

Spiritual Laws are full of passion and desire....they are written on our HEARTS....totally a "game changer"....we are sooooo much more capable of keeping and knowing and doing "Spiritual Laws written on our hearts" because now our emotions, our mind and our will are joined together to do good, to do righteousness, to do our Father's Will.

Legalist religious people try to pull us back to the Written Law that only condemns us. Jesus Christ has set us free from the Written Law by Him FULFILLING ALL of the Written Law for us. We are now under the Spiritual Laws which are easily obeyed by the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit, NOT our mind and our human reasoning.

Being LEAD by the Holy Spirit so we do NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh....it's the Spiritual Laws that the Holy Spirit is leading us to do and obey, Spiritual Laws are Laws of the Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ preached while He was on the Earth.

We're to love our enemies and pray for them that persecute us....this is a Spiritual Law that can only be obeyed by the power of the Holy Spirit working in a Believer.

The Church needs to WAKE UP to the Spiritual Laws. It's NO LONGER about the Written Law. WE NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT in us so that we can complete our assignment on Earth before Jesus Christ returns, amen.