WE are judged by what we do vs. we are saved by faith alone.

[crossnote]

What do you mean by gentile? Non Jews?
Is gentile need to believe in Jesus to be save, or only need help the poor?

Is Jews not a nation , is Israel not a nation?

By Gentile in the context of Mt 25, they are those non Jews who went through the GT.
Jesus said, " Inas much as you treated one of these, the least of my brethren (the Jews) you have done it to me.
After the GT, the sheep, in the Judgment of the sheep and goats, will be ones who have believed the Bible and will be helping God's people the Jews during the Time of Jacob's Trouble (the Great Tribulation).

 

[Jackson123]

By Gentile in the context of Mt 25, they are those non Jews who went through the GT.
Jesus said, " Inas much as you treated one of these, the least of my brethren (the Jews) you have done it to me.
After the GT, the sheep, in the Judgment of the sheep and goats, will be ones who have believed the Bible and will be helping God's people the Jews during the Time of Jacob's Trouble (the Great Tribulation).

What verse say it only during gt?

 

[Jackson123]

Faith leads to obedience.

You say faith lead to obedience, good job brother I agree.

But not make obidence, confuse me

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Just as I said. God commanded him to build an ark and he obeyed.

Faith doesn't cause anything. You continue to be IN-correct.

Faith leads to obedience. But again, IF IF IF you were correct about faith causing obedience, then explain WHY so many believers in the Bible have screwed up so much. Can you do that?

So you believe Noah save not because obey the Lord, build an arch and get into the arch

Noah build the arch because he like doing carpenter not because obey the Lord, am I correct?

 

[crossnote]

What verse say it only during gt?

It's after the GT not during...

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. (Mat 25:31)

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (Luk 9:26)

For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (Mat 16:27)

Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
(Joe 3:12)

When do you think it is?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Seem to me you aware Noah on arch because he obey God are you?

That's what I said. Seems you are not understanding what I post.

 

[FreeGrace2]

My sheep follow and listen my voice

To me it's mean My sheep obey me
You not agree with my statement don't you?

No, I DON'T agree with how you totally twist Scripture.

John 10:27 does NOT represent the condition for receiving eternal life. Maybe English isn't your native language, I don't know, but the verse is a description of what believers DO, not HOW they receive eternal life.

You do know the difference between simply DOING something, and HOW to do something, right?

Maybe you could pick out the exact words that prove hearing and following are CONDITIONS to be met before receiving eternal life.

Can you do that?

 

[FreeGrace2]

So you believe Noah save not because obey the Lord, build an arch and get into the arch

I don't even understand your sentence here. Could you please re-phrase?

Noah build the arch because he like doing carpenter not because obey the Lord, am I correct?

No, you are not even close to being correct.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You say faith lead to obedience, good job brother I agree.

But not make obidence, confuse me

Yes, you are definitely confused. Being LED to obedience is NOT CAUSING obedience.

Do you understand the difference between being led vs being caused?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I would agree with you--eternal security, once faith in Christ truly results in spiritual regeneration, or the New Birth. Often, the problem is that people do receive the Spirit and knowledge of Christ, affirm him, but don't become spiritually regenerated.

Precious friend, I agree with Part:

"eternal security, once faith in Christ truly results in spiritual regeneration,
or the New Birth" = Bible Truth! Why did you then Contradict It with:

"Often, the problem is that people do receive the Spirit and knowledge of
Christ, affirm him, but don't become spiritually regenerated." = Impossible!:

Precious friend, the "All spiritually Regenerated Do Receive the Washing
Of The Regenerator, The Blessed Holy Spirit, And Also Are "Renewed"
BY HIM! (Titus 3 : 5 KJB!) Thus, By "GRACE Through Simple/humble faith,"
Receiving, From God's Simple Will, ETERNALLY Secure Life, Correct?

Also, those who DO NOT "Have The Holy Spirit," Are none Of HIS!
{they are NOT "Spiritually Regenerated" receiving the Spirit,
Dwelling In them (Romans 8 : 9 KJB!)}, Correct?

we have all of this disagreement over whether people can stay saved or not

To those who Disagree with God's Doctrine Of ETERNAL Salvation,
we Simply ask these Relevant Bible questions:

(1) "God’s SURE Foundation Has THIS SEAL”:
“The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!..." (2 Timothy 2 : 19 KJB!),
Correct?

(2) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?
(Ephesians 1 : 4-6 KJB!) = ALWAYS, Correct?

(3) For those who are LOST, how is it That The LORD Said Unto them:
“I NEVER Knew you”? (Matthew 7 : 21-23 KJB!) = NEVER, Correct?

Conclusion:

Thus, the doctrine of "Christ ONCE {Always?} knew one forgiven And
Eternally Saved, And, Then when they walked away, He [NEVER knew?]
Did NOT know them Any Longer, and they Became LOST!:

Is NOWHERE found God's Pure And HOLY Scripture, Correct, Randy?
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Thus, those who Do Receive The Holy Spirit Are Regenerated!

Be Blessed!

More Relevant Bible Passages FOR God's ETERNAL Salvation!:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Life!

 

[Jackson123]

It's after the GT not during...

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. (Mat 25:31)

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (Luk 9:26)

For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (Mat 16:27)

Let the nations stir themselves up and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
(Joe 3:12)

When do you think it is?

The judgement take place after Gt

But my question is what verse say God only judge nations, but not church?

 

[Jackson123]

That's what I said. Seems you are not understanding what I post.

So you believe Noah save because he obey the Lord, am I correct?
But you don't believe salvation nothing to do with obedience, am I correct?

 

[crossnote]

But my question is what verse say God only judge nations, but not church?

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

or

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. (Rom 7:4)

Maybe I should ask you, where does it say God judges the Church, except for rewards?

 

[Jackson123]

but the verse is a description of what believers DO, not HOW they receive eternal life.

So you believe, believer do obey the Lord, am I correct?

IF IF IF you were correct about faith causing obedience, then explain WHY so many believers in the Bible have screwed up so much. Can you do that?

Look you start change,

You was say if if if ....faith cause obedience why.........

It mean you believe a lot of believer not obey

Than you say (obedience)that what believer do
Am I correct?

So believer do obey or not?

 

[Jackson123]

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

or

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. (Rom 7:4)

Is the people on the right in Christ or not?

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, you are definitely confused. Being LED to obedience is NOT CAUSING obedience.

Do you understand the difference between being led vs being caused?

No I don't, please explain the different?

 

[crossnote]

Is the people on the right in Christ or not?

I believe so, through faith in Christ.

 

[Jackson123]

I believe so, through faith in Christ.

Matt 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

You believe people in the right are christian
You believe people in the right love and do good work by feed the hungry etc

But you believe not feed the hungry go to heaven as Jesus say on verse 41
Don't it mean you accused Jesus as liar

 

[Jackson123]

I believe so, through faith in Christ.

But you don't believe Christian do like Jesus say on verse 31-34 because you believe salvation not by work?

 

[crossnote]

Matt 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

You believe people in the right are christian
You believe people in the right love and do good work by feed the hungry etc

But you believe not feed the hungry go to heaven as Jesus say on verse 41
Don't it mean you accused Jesus as liar

No, it only means you mixed up my words and you try to entrap people who try to help you.
Good bye.